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[Verloren03]

*This thread contains end-game plot AND romance spoilers*

So I've read that it is possible for Alistair to be king and still maintain his romance with you (I am playing as a city elf), and that he raises you to be a noble and head of the alienage, etc. However I can't seem to get this to happen no matter what dialouge options I pick (my coercion is maxed and his approval is at +100). Here's what I've tried so far:

1. Wardens win landsmeet. Choose to make Loghain a warden. Alistair flips out and leaves.
2. Wardens win landsmeet. I choose to kill Loghain (I've also had alistair kill him). Make Alistair king. Persuade that I rule at his side but am turned down. Follow-up with his break-up cause I need a queen/heir dialoug.
3. Wardens lose landsmeet, have to fight Loghains forces and duel him again. Same outcome as 2.
4. Make Anora queen, relationship stays intact.

Where am I going wrong here? Please help, I've really been enjoying this romance and would like to have him king without ending the relationship. /beg

[Gilead26]

I'm pretty sure that you need to "harden" Alistair during his sidequest to get him to let you rule at his side. When you talk after the quest tell him that he should have expected as much and people will always screw him over etc.



Note: I've not actually played a female character yet so I could be wrong but this is what i remember reading.

[Verloren03]

Side quest? You are able to talk to him in the camp after he becomes king/dumps you but when I attempted that he cut the convo short. Unless you mean a different side quest?

Modifié par Verloren03, 08 novembre 2009 - 06:31 .

[Gilead26]

once he likes you a certain amount he mentions that he has a sister Goldana and he wants to go to denerim to look her up. Suffice it to say she's not all that thrilled at having her long lost brother turn up after so long.

[Verloren03]

Oh god, I'm way beyond that point and not a save anywhere near it. I hope that's not the case ;_;

[galesong1234]

Verloren03 wrote...

Oh god, I'm way beyond that point and not a save anywhere near it. I hope that's not the case ;_;

Sigh...I just  got done replaying 18 hours to make Goldanna my second to last quest.  My pc doesn't know if she is coming or going!?!

So far, to my own knowledge, the only future with Alistair is by playing a Noble Human Female.  You can become queen, etc. and you can do by hardening him or not.  I have also heard the only way to end up with Alistair as an elf is by hardening him. 

My Character is Danish Elf Warrior.  100% approval with adore. I have put all my points into persuation and that is maxed out. And (thru my backtrack) I have left Zevran unromanced to see if Alistair will still have his jealousy speach.   

Thru orginal play thru I didn't harden Alistair. After getting the Ashes I went directly to Redcliffe to heal the Earl. Before Redcliffe.....Alistair was not harden....I had 100% approval with Love as the rating. We were so happy...sigh. Redcliffe...after the speach that Alistair needs to become king....I checked his approval...Still at 100%...but....OH SWOOPERS....instead of Love it read Neutral.....WTF.....Neutral...my pc was doomed....and I got the dialogue ....I don't want talk about it right now...but he was still calling me his love..and was happy to bed me. Hince, that is why I am going to harden him before healing the Earl.

Since my whole campaign is so screwed from restarts and backtracks I am going to try every possible outcome for my Danish Elf Warrior...I will post the results.

Modifié par galesong1234, 22 novembre 2009 - 06:32 .

[Maria Caliban]

1. Only a human noble can be queen or king. ONLY a human noble can be queen or king.



2. If you harden Alistair during the sister side-quest, you can be his mistress.



3. You don't have to make Alistiar king. Alistiar does not want to be king. If you wonder why it's so hard to get a 'happy' ending with Alistiar when he's king, remember that unless you’re playing a human noble, your PC has pretty much ignored his thoughts and desires to steamroll him into a marriage of convenience with a woman he doesn't know.

[Riona45]

galesong1234 wrote...

So far, to my own knowledge, the only future with Alistair is by playing a Noble Human Female.

Errr, I'm pretty sure that's not true.  As I understand it, if you want your PC and Alistair to be king and queen, you must be a human noble.  However, if you aren't a human noble (or just don't want to be queen/don't want Alistair to be king), make Anora queen by herself and don't spare Loghain--your relationship with Alistair continues.

I don't understand all these posts saying you have "no future" with Alistair if you can't be queen.  You don't HAVE to convince him to be a king in the first place.  You have a choice.

[AtreiyaN7]

Personally, I ended up preferring to respect his wishes and said no to the idea of his becoming king entirely. Much happier doing the Grey Warden thing and riding off into the sunset. Well, technically I chose to stay in Denerim & he stayed a while too but had to leave to go to Weisshaupt Fortress (and promised to return to his love, etc.). I think if you choose to rebuild the Grey Wardens he just stays with you, period, instead of traveling to Weisshaupt (will have to try it again next playthrough).

However, if you want to make him king...either be a human noble or harden him after he meets Goldanna and stay on as his mistress. Pretty much your only option now is to harden Alistair, unless you want the tragic ending where he says he was wrong, admits he loves you and dies to save you.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 novembre 2009 - 06:42 .

[totertot]

Soooo... if you are playing a female Dalish, fer example, and don't make Alistair king, you can still be in a relationship with him at the end of the game. right? Just clarifying.



And to OP, you can convince Alistair to keep you as his mistress if you've hardened him with the Goldana sidequest. Just tell him that the king doesn't have to listen to what anybody else tells him. I just did it earlier today. Or just don't make him king, I guess?

[galesong1234]

Riona45 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

So far, to my own knowledge, the only future with Alistair is by playing a Noble Human Female.

Errr, I'm pretty sure that's not true.  As I understand it, if you want your PC and Alistair to be king and queen, you must be a human noble.  However, if you aren't a human noble (or just don't want to be queen/don't want Alistair to be king), make Anora queen by herself and don't spare Loghain--your relationship with Alistair continues.

I don't understand all these posts saying you have "no future" with Alistair if you can't be queen.  You don't HAVE to convince him to be a king in the first place.  You have a choice.

I was referring to implied future....what I had read thru all the posts as non-human...is mistress at best....I have not read alot about just staying wardens...will try that one out as well.

[AtreiyaN7]

totertot wrote...

Soooo... if you are playing a female Dalish, fer example, and don't make Alistair king, you can still be in a relationship with him at the end of the game. right? Just clarifying.

And to OP, you can convince Alistair to keep you as his mistress if you've hardened him with the Goldana sidequest. Just tell him that the king doesn't have to listen to what anybody else tells him. I just did it earlier today. Or just don't make him king, I guess?

Yes, DON'T make Alistair king & you get to keep him entirely to yourself (assuming you accept Morrigan's deal - I mean, you want to live, right? Heh). You can even leave him totally sweet and non-cynical too (although I hardened
him up this time just to see if there's any major personality
difference - haven't seen much change though, unless you count the
threesome with Isabela anyway).

Oh, and you get  the meet you upstairs
thing or whatever it was after the coronation - tee-hee. Yes, I did this myself after experiencing the tragic ending with Alistair on my elf mage initially (I appreciated it being moving, but yeah, I wasn't exactly, umm, satisfied with it ending that way), so I know it works.  Here's the sequence of what I did as an elf mage:

1) Alistair suddenly dumps me after being forced to become king.
2) Tragic ending results because I refused Morrigan's deal.
3) I reloaded and accepted Morrigan's deal & he lived, but getting back together didn't exactly seem in the cards.
4) Reloaded BEFORE chatting with Anora about supporting her as queen and agreed to do so
5) Happy ending wtih Alistair as Grey Wardens until he makes that extended journey (only because I picked the stay in Denerim to serve the queen thing; just pick the rebuild the Grey Wardens option & you should get maximum happness I think).

[Riona45]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Personally, I ended up preferring to respect his wishes and said no to the idea of his becoming king entirely. Much happier doing the Grey Warden thing and riding off into the sunset.

Yeah, what's wrong with that kind of ending, anyway?  For some PCs (and perhaps Alistair) it's more fitting. 

[galesong1234]

It's painful to watch...in making Alistair hardened.

[Maria Caliban]

I think part of the problem is that many people have the idea that the romance is a mini-game and that a happy ending is one where you 'win' with the most points. Therefore, human noble that becomes the queen when Alistiar is the queen is the 'best' and other romances aren't good because they're not as good as that.

[Walina]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think part of the problem is that many people have the idea that the romance is a mini-game and that a happy ending is one where you 'win' with the most points. Therefore, human noble that becomes the queen when Alistiar is the queen is the 'best' and other romances aren't good because they're not as good as that.

So what ? Just because Bioware though it's was the best ending we should accept it ?
We've the right to not be happy because that's not making sense to F!ck another woman to live.

But you know, we're good girls and still try our best to accept this.
Didn't you read ? Many girls reload ad accepted the ritual because they wanted to be happy.

So you and others STOP flaming us when we're replaying to any topic about Alistair!
That's really childish to harass us when we women aren't flaming you about your Morrigan.


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Modifié par Walina, 22 novembre 2009 - 07:52 .

[Riona45]

Walina wrote...


So what ? Just because Bioware though it's was the best ending we should accept it ?

What, the "become queen with Alistair" ending?  Where did anyone from Bioware indicate that they consider that to be the "best ending?"

So you and others STOP flaming us when we're replaying to any topic about Alistair!
That's really childish to harass us when we women aren't flaming you about your Morrigan.

The person you are responding to is female and is not flaming you, either.

[Maria Caliban]

Walina wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think part of the problem is that many people have the idea that the romance is a mini-game and that a happy ending is one where you 'win' with the most points. Therefore, human noble that becomes the queen when Alistiar is the queen is the 'best' and other romances aren't good because they're not as good as that.

So what ? Just because Bioware though it's was the best ending we should accept it ?

I... Did you even read what I wrote? BioWare has never said that's the best ending. I never said that's the best ending.

We've the right to not be happy because that's not making sense to F!ck another woman to live.

But you know, we're good girls and still try our best to accept this.
Didn't you read ? Many girls reload ad accepted the ritual because they wanted to be happy.

This is nothing to do with my post. I didn't even mention Morrigan.

So you and others STOP flaming us when we're replaying to any topic about Alistair!
That's really childish to harass us when we women aren't flaming you about your Morrigan.

My Morrigan? I haven't even romanced Morrigan yet.

Please, take a step back. I think you're seriously misinterpreted what I've said.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 22 novembre 2009 - 07:56 .

[PinkShira]

Also, I've heard that if you choose him to be King along side Anora and become his mistress, that the ending dialogue says that 4 years down the road Anora makes Alistair dump you. So it's not really a happy ending. Anyone know if you get that same dialogue about him dumping you in 4 years if you make him King, but not Anora queen?

[galesong1234]

Wow...lot's of estrogen floating around this forum!?!

Ok....so I hardened Alistair...and we did the tent scene....Someone had suggest taking off the armor before you go to camp...I did....it was so much better....especially the kissing problems.

Next, I clicked on the "What happens next?" - have to say the dialogue is so much more hopeful and happier...at least Alistair is fighting for the relationship....You can pick the As long as we care for each other or I won't let you go dialogue and get a really good responce.

Was very surprised when I picked...I don't know if we had a future dialogue...Alistair starts talking about Grey Wardens not being able to have children...we don't have to have children, etc. then you can pick I don't want to give up or one other one and have a hopeful responce...in which he says...you're worth it. Play around with it and pick your favorite responce.

I am going actually restart after the tent scene and see if Alistair will approach me on the what happens next subject on his own.

Modifié par galesong1234, 22 novembre 2009 - 08:34 .