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[cerberus1701]

xillimies wrote...

so, any plans to ship this out to stores when theres more dlc out? like bethesda did with fallot3 dlc, since im sure there are people who can't buy it through the interwebs like me. something to do with my bank not allowing dollar to euro transactions... *shrug*

I would bet that more content will be released. Either more bits or a full on expansion pack. When they have enough bits I'm sure they will disk them and ship them out. Or they will make what they've made so far part of a full-on expansion.

There's too big a market of people who can't or won't download to ignore.

[cerberus1701]

Gocad wrote...

Lavans6879 wrote...
Thank you for realizing the point I was getting at. People pirate software because they don't want to pay for it. Back when games cost $40, DLCs were free, and DRM was non existant, piracy wasn't anywhere the issue it is today. Once game developers started asking people to pay more money for games as well as putting price tags on DLC is when piracy took a steep incline. The addition of DRM didn't help either, it just pissed off more honest customers. Whats worse is that game developers fail to realize this and continue to charge more money for games and include even more invasive DRMs and "anti-piracy" features into their games. "Entitlement syndrome", as you put it, makes up a very small portion as to why people pirate games.

I'm totally waiting for someone to suggest that something like the Mass Effect series should be free and companies like Bioware should totally depend on donations from happy fans...I'm pretty sure that would work well.

(The statement above may contain sarcasm.)

You may be being sarcastic, but there are droves of the "I should get to pay what I think it's worth" crowd.

But, like flat-Earthers, they know their view is so outside reality that they keep it to themselves.

[Grunt420]

check this out



http://social.bioware.com/brc/1326930

[cerberus1701]

Lavans6879 wrote...

Capitan E.O wrote...

As a mass effect fan i am sorry to say that this will be my first mass effect download from the torrent sites. 7$ for what??? why don't cerberus members get that for free? i paid enough money for the collectors edition. oh well download ended lets get this over with...

Agreed. People that already shelled out the extra money for the Collector's Edition shouldn't have to pay for Kasumi. There's just not enough content to justify it. Plus, Kasumi was originally slated to be an original launch character.

BioWare is, simply put, turning into a sellout company. Given they were bought out by EA, I'm not surprised.

Dude.

You shelled out a whole TEN extra dollars.

And everything they said you'd get with it, you GOT.

Under what theory do you think you're owed more than that?

[cerberus1701]

mrfoo1 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Lavans6879 wrote...

Capitan E.O wrote...

As a mass effect fan i am sorry to say that this will be my first mass effect download from the torrent sites. 7$ for what??? why don't cerberus members get that for free? i paid enough money for the collectors edition. oh well download ended lets get this over with...

Agreed. People that already shelled out the extra money for the Collector's Edition shouldn't have to pay for Kasumi. There's just not enough content to justify it. Plus, Kasumi was originally slated to be an original launch character.

BioWare is, simply put, turning into a sellout company. Given they were bought out by EA, I'm not surprised.

Dude.

You shelled out a whole TEN extra dollars.

And everything they said you'd get with it, you GOT.

Under what theory do you think you're owed more than that?

He makes it pretty clear.

Only in his own mind. The fact is that everything we was promised by Bioware with the CE he got, and he's not owed one thing more.

[Nomex11]

I'm downloading it right now. Can't wait!

[AngelFrost]

mrfoo1 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

mrfoo1 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Lavans6879 wrote...

Capitan E.O wrote...

As a mass effect fan i am sorry to say that this will be my first mass effect download from the torrent sites. 7$ for what??? why don't cerberus members get that for free? i paid enough money for the collectors edition. oh well download ended lets get this over with...

Agreed. People that already shelled out the extra money for the Collector's Edition shouldn't have to pay for Kasumi. There's just not enough content to justify it. Plus, Kasumi was originally slated to be an original launch character.

BioWare is, simply put, turning into a sellout company. Given they were bought out by EA, I'm not surprised.

Dude.

You shelled out a whole TEN extra dollars.

And everything they said you'd get with it, you GOT.

Under what theory do you think you're owed more than that?

He makes it pretty clear.

Only in his own mind. The fact is that everything we was promised by Bioware with the CE he got, and he's not owed one thing more.

Set for the latest iteration of DRM. He only needs to  validate it to himself.

Ugh...

The curse of DRM continues on. I'll support Bioware thanks and cough up my AUD$7.87 for the Kasumi DLC even though I spent AUD$130.00 on my pre-ordered Mass Effect 2 CE, because it's a hell of a lot less than the asking price for other DLC available for game add-ons on the XBLA service, Playstation Store and Steam. Vast majority of the time I don't pre-order and wait for the "game of the year" editions to come out that already have the previously sold DLC already bundled in. Heck, I was shocked when after waiting until Mass Effect 1 came down to AUD$25.00 for PC that the "Bring Down the Sky"  DLC was free even though it was a story factor for the canon plot while the "Pinnacle Station" DLC fun-pack was charged.

Stupidity like this to "fight back against the company line" is why game lobby groups have such a hard time getting anywhere in Australia when excuses like that get thrown around to justify the software piracy.

Capitan E.O and Lavans6879, wake up! You're only hurting the industry that makes the very games you love to play: why not wait for an update DVD release with all the DLC bundled and swoop it up then instead of resorting to piracy?

Can't hurt.

Modifié par AngelFrost, 10 avril 2010 - 05:36 .

[cynicalmicahel]

This is not a Dire Straits song: Money for Nothng. If you want it you have to pay for it. If you do not like it then go to school, study hard, make your own games and then give them away, and the really show those coporate jerks just what is what!

[davidt0504]

so when's the next dlc?

[Lavans6879]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Lavans6879 wrote...

Capitan E.O wrote...

As a mass effect fan i am sorry to say that this will be my first mass effect download from the torrent sites. 7$ for what??? why don't cerberus members get that for free? i paid enough money for the collectors edition. oh well download ended lets get this over with...

Agreed. People that already shelled out the extra money for the Collector's Edition shouldn't have to pay for Kasumi. There's just not enough content to justify it. Plus, Kasumi was originally slated to be an original launch character.

BioWare is, simply put, turning into a sellout company. Given they were bought out by EA, I'm not surprised.

Dude.

You shelled out a whole TEN extra dollars.

And everything they said you'd get with it, you GOT.

Under what theory do you think you're owed more than that?

Where did BioWare give a detailed description of the DLC, exactly? You might not have missed the fact that there is only an hour worth of gameplay in the DLC, but I certainly did. As far as I know, BioWare never commented on the lack of content included in the DLC or the approximate amount of gameplay added from it.

With that said, BioWare could have put in a whole lot more content in than what they did, or at least charged less. Especially since they didn't include anything that revolutionized the game.

[Masticetobbacco]

Kasumi was already in the game, they released the game before finishing her up because they were too lazy, and to make maximum profit from a mistake, why not sell it for $8?



"that way we can fool our idiot community into thinking we actually give a sh.it about them by making SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW FROM SCRATCH" - Bioware

[cerberus1701]

Lavans6879 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Lavans6879 wrote...

Capitan E.O wrote...

As a mass effect fan i am sorry to say that this will be my first mass effect download from the torrent sites. 7$ for what??? why don't cerberus members get that for free? i paid enough money for the collectors edition. oh well download ended lets get this over with...

Agreed. People that already shelled out the extra money for the Collector's Edition shouldn't have to pay for Kasumi. There's just not enough content to justify it. Plus, Kasumi was originally slated to be an original launch character.

BioWare is, simply put, turning into a sellout company. Given they were bought out by EA, I'm not surprised.

Dude.

You shelled out a whole TEN extra dollars.

And everything they said you'd get with it, you GOT.

Under what theory do you think you're owed more than that?

Where did BioWare give a detailed description of the DLC, exactly? You might not have missed the fact that there is only an hour worth of gameplay in the DLC, but I certainly did. As far as I know, BioWare never commented on the lack of content included in the DLC or the approximate amount of gameplay added from it.

With that said, BioWare could have put in a whole lot more content in than what they did, or at least charged less. Especially since they didn't include anything that revolutionized the game.

Bioware said that you were meeting Kasumi.

Doing her loyalty mission.

Getting a tech boost

A weapon

And a casualwear item.

They answered questions as to her length, romancability, and dialogue.

Now, perhaps Bioware could have been more clear on their main page as to what it all entailed, but it all wasn't some big secret, either.

Furthermore, if you played Zaheed (and I bet you did) it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to make reasonable assumptions as to content and length.

[cerberus1701]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

Kasumi was already in the game, they released the game before finishing her up because they were too lazy, and to make maximum profit from a mistake, why not sell it for $8?

"that way we can fool our idiot community into thinking we actually give a sh.it about them by making SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW FROM SCRATCH" - Bioware

Please link me to where Bioware ever SAID that she was a 'from scratch' character. Really, just stop implying that you or anyone else was lied to.

And it wasn't a mistake. It was a marketing choice. You cannot argue that the game wasn't complete without her, so leaving her out damaged nothing in terms of playability or the narrative. It's not like 2 missing chapters of ACII
 
Buy it or don't. I'm sorry that this is so tough to swallow, but you're not OWED Kasumi.

You're not owed her just because you because you bought the CE.

You're not owed her just because she was in some snippets of video from last year when the game was still in development.

You still wouldn't be owed her if Bioware hadn't been bought by EA.

You're not owed her just because you think you are.

Biooware is, was, and will be forever, a company whose goal is to create value for its shareholders. If you don't like the way they try to do that, don't buy the product.

And choosing not to buy it is vastly different from stealing it.

[Lavans6879]

cerberus1701 wrote...

And choosing not to buy it is vastly different from stealing it.

I digress. Most people that pirate games don't play it frequently enough to truly justify buying it. Those that do usually end up buying the game when they feel the price justifies the content.

Price justification is where it's at. If someone can justify the price, then it's worth buying. I see no justification in the Kasumi DLC.

[cerberus1701]

Those that do usually end up buying the game when they feel the price justifies the content.

***************







So it's your contention that a large percentage of people who will pirate a game so as not to pay for it will then actually go out and purchase it after essentially draining the utility of the product???

I don't think that's true. Have any data to back that up?

Modifié par cerberus1701, 11 avril 2010 - 12:55 .

[Little Paw]

$7.00 for an hour?

I can't justify that at all.

I can barely justify the full price of the CE for what ME2 was overall.

I am not done with Bioware, as they can do whatever they like if they think it will sell games, but ME2 was a watered down and shallow experience to what ME1 was and what I thought it would continue to be.

If ME3 changes the play scheme back towards what ME1 was and has a longer main storyline - I would consider it...but ME2 fell way short of my expectations.

[cerberus1701]

Little Paw wrote...

$7.00 for an hour?
I can't justify that at all.
I can barely justify the full price of the CE for what ME2 was overall.
I am not done with Bioware, as they can do whatever they like if they think it will sell games, but ME2 was a watered down and shallow experience to what ME1 was and what I thought it would continue to be.
If ME3 changes the play scheme back towards what ME1 was and has a longer main storyline - I would consider it...but ME2 fell way short of my expectations.

Compared to ME2, ME 1 was a virtual non-experience. Gameplay mechanics that would have to have been improved to make it to mediocre and characters with half a page of dialogue each.

[Little Paw]

ME2 was way too easy and simplified to play.

As a PC gamer ME2 was merely point, click, duck, rinse repeat. A bit boring.

And that story...you really found it more engrossing?

[cerberus1701]

Little Paw wrote...

ME2 was way too easy and simplified to play.
As a PC gamer ME2 was merely point, click, duck, rinse repeat. A bit boring.
And that story...you really found it more engrossing?

And ME1 was better in terms of gameplay? When on Insanity you didn't even have to move Shep to clear a room? You could just stand there and they'd walk into your infinite fire weapon.

Where if you took Kaiden and Liara with you you didn't even have to fire? They'd chain attacks, ragdoll everything in the room, and you could walk in after they were done? Neither of those is hyperbole, either. I've done both. 

The only place ME1s storytelling comes out on top is that it's a bit more atmosphereic. Understandabley so since, whatever else the game did, it had to create a universe. In ME2 that work is already done and they could focus on advancing the overall arc with the Reapers and Collectors.

I certainly felt I got to know these people as people with real stories rather than the basic archetypes that were Kaiden/Ashley/Liara. So yes, in those terms I definitely found it more engrossing. 

Modifié par cerberus1701, 11 avril 2010 - 01:28 .

[Mycrus Ironfist]

the kasumi dlc was okay... stop arguing about cost this or cost that. if you can't afford it then don't buy it.... yes you can shout renegade shepard style.. this guy discriminates against the poor.

[Little Paw]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Little Paw wrote...

ME2 was way too easy and simplified to play.
As a PC gamer ME2 was merely point, click, duck, rinse repeat. A bit boring.
And that story...you really found it more engrossing?

And ME1 was better in terms of gameplay? When on Insanity you didn't even have to move Shep to clear a room? You could just stand there and they'd walk into your infinite fire weapon.

Where if you took Kaiden and Liara with you you didn't even have to fire? They'd chain attacks, ragdoll everything in the room, and you could walk in after they were done? Neither of those is hyperbole, either. I've done both. 

The only place ME1s storytelling comes out on top is that it's a bit more atmosphereic. Understandabley so since, whatever else the game did, it had to create a universe. In ME2 that work is already done and they could focus on advancing the overall arc with the Reapers and Collectors.

I certainly felt I got to know these people as people with real stories rather than the basic archetypes that were Kaiden/Ashley/Liara. So yes, in those terms I definitely found it more engrossing. 

Great points - to each his own, but I was not that engrossed in ME2. Perhaps the newness of ME1 is what reeled me in.
AI in both games is not that special. I do remember letting enemies just walk into my fire in ME1.
Thanks for responding.

[Little Paw]

Mycrus Ironfist wrote...

the kasumi dlc was okay... stop arguing about cost this or cost that. if you can't afford it then don't buy it.... yes you can shout renegade shepard style.. this guy discriminates against the poor.

I have no issue with affording anything. Some might take issue witht he price. I am commenting on perceived value, which to me is very low from what I am hearing and reading about the DLC. If you are a completionist it is a must have. I get that.
I for one, am not worried about missing out on a few recruitment missions for yet another character.
I want more involvement in the overall world and plot that the first game introduced.
I also found ME1 darker in parts than ME2, and as an older gamer who grew up with Star Wars, Star Trek etc. appreciate a more forboding element in the enemy.
The enemy in ME2 and the ending was downright goofy.

Modifié par Little Paw, 11 avril 2010 - 03:44 .