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[Ronin Slayd]

biggiantcircles wrote...

Ronin Slayd wrote...

You complain about $7 per hour as not worth it? Heck, people raved
over some other titles that came far more than $20 per game hour.

Not being argumentative, just merely interested to know, care to share some examples?

Also, people tend to have their own personal interpretations of value when it comes to spending money, and it's not really right to fault people for it.  I'd agree that this day and age many people tend to have an inflated sense of entitlement, but that's not really what I'm talking about.  If someone thinks that X amount of minutes for $Y is not a good deal, what's the harm in that?

Would you pay $10 for a movie?  (I hope so, that's what they cost these days)   How about $15 for the same movie?  How about $25?  How about $50 for a movie ticket? $100?

If you answered No to any of those, let me ask a follow up.  Why not?  What if the movie would end up being (hypothetically) your favorite movie of all time that you would watch over and over and over?  Did that even cross your mind as you were thinking of whether or not the price was worth $10 - 100 dollars?  Probably not because I believe most people don't necessarily take that into account because getting to my point, our minds tend to form a perceived value of something.  I'm not a psychologist, so I can't really explain all the factors involved in it.

If you paid $50 for a movie and you felt it was justified, that's cool, you perceive the value of that movie as such and nobody should fault you for that.  If someone else felt that $50 was too steep, then likewise, you shouldn't fault them for that.  Same goes for the game.  It's fine to say if the DLC was worth the price, but on the other side of the coin it's fine that some people think that it's not an enticing value to them.

Cheers

TL:DR Not arguing, just stating that people have different perceptions of value for different things.  Faulting anyone for agreeing/disagreeing with the price of any given product is almost like faulting someone for their favorite color.

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Good response, my intent was not to offend.

This was kind of my point. Don't try to justify it, just enjoy it.
One of the games that spring to mind is CoD MW2, it was about an 8hr campaign, so a high cost per hour to play time. A lot of people play this for the online, I don't and don't care, I enjoyed the storyline.

For me personally, I like to get ingrossed in a well told story, action adventure, scfi with combat and romances hehe. Bioware tends to make the greatest number of said games. To a point, I don't care about the price but when push comes to shove, I will make my car payment over buying said game. Fortunately, I do not need to make this choice, at this time.

The poster I was responding to was using price to justy the percieved quality of a game. I understand the reasoning, it is just not really logical to me. Money we need, games we don't.  So, you like the game, maybe you will like the DLC. If the game was not that good to you, you probably won't like the DLC.

To answer your questions...  yes, yes, yes, no, no
@ 10 bucks, the only reason I would ever have to go to a theatre to watch a movie would by my gf.  Even she would scoff at a $50 to $100. So no, I don't buy concert tickets either. Why do that when I can spend far less money on a game and replay it many times. StarWArs EP4 was that movie for me... I read the book 3 times and watched the movie at the theatre 3 times the in video cassette(hah!) and dvd several more.

Percived value! Yes! again a restatement of my intial point. Basically, we live in societies where many "wants" are so commonly and easily met as to be considered needs. Technicially, very few people NEED a car but life would be far more complicated w/o them. We also don't NEED 10 kinds of bread on the shelves though bread we need.
We don't really need games, movies, the internet etc to go about our daily lives to survive but most are needed to thrive.
To sum this up in a phrase: Any item for sale is worth whatever the buyer will pay for it.:happy:

[Ronin Slayd]

WrexEffex wrote...

I thought this mission was a blast. The scenery at the party was awesome.

The side mission that made me go "WOAH!" was the wreck data salvage mission.
You have to navigate your way around the ships superstructure to get the data core.
watching the landscape beyond the hull tilt was so convinvcing, I voiced an explerative somether I rarely do.

Well done, guys... "That was awesome!" - Jenkins

[WrexEffex]

Ronin Slayd wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

I thought this mission was a blast. The scenery at the party was awesome.

The side mission that made me go "WOAH!" was the wreck data salvage mission.
You have to navigate your way around the ships superstructure to get the data core.
watching the landscape beyond the hull tilt was so convinvcing, I voiced an explerative somether I rarely do.

Well done, guys... "That was awesome!" - Jenkins

Yeah that was a really unique mission, no firefights or anything. I loved the scenery on the planet where you have to fend off the varren from attacking the lone quarian survivor. It looks like what I would imagine the Cretaceous or Jurassic Period would look like. Simply amazing.

Come to think of it, ALL the scenery in this game is mind-blowing.

[SaddleTrampNC]

Ok guys, so all in all, if they had thown in a K'sumi T-shirt, would ya buy it then??  'That was a joke...'

Modifié par SaddleTrampNC, 12 avril 2010 - 11:23 .

[Grade_Ronso]

To be honest, these kind of dlc, should be free as a way for the developers saying thanks to us users for buying their game. So I hope that other future dlc would be free.



I won't be buying this dlc, no matter is people say makes that game experience freaking awesome.

[Stinkface27]

Grade_Ronso wrote...

To be honest, these kind of dlc, should be free as a way for the developers saying thanks to us users for buying their game. So I hope that other future dlc would be free.

I won't be buying this dlc, no matter is people say makes that game experience freaking awesome.

Do you have a job? If so, why don't you do it for free as a way of saying "thank you" to all of the people you work for?

As super awesome as it would be for us, I'm pretty sure game developers aren't volunteering their time and expertise. At least not *all* of it.

[Caleb58]

Does anyone know if there will be any more DLC or if there are any dates floating around? I noticed on the Mass Effect 2 - Universe page it lists all characters but two who are still classified. But since Legion isn't mentioned am I correct to assume only one more character coming?



For what it's worth I'm a fan of the DLC so far. Even some of "lame" stuff.

[Geeky shepard]

I'm gonna buy the kasumi dlc cause The mission reminds me of james bond and my character looks like James bond:p (Pierce brosnan lol)

[Merci357]

Caleb58 wrote...
 I noticed on the Mass Effect 2 - Universe page it lists all characters but two who are still classified. But since Legion isn't mentioned am I correct to assume only one more character coming? 

Legion and this one called "Archangel" are missing on the page - so I doubt we'll see another character.

[Ronin Slayd]

SaddleTrampNC wrote...

Ok guys, so all in all, if they had thown in a K'sumi T-shirt, would ya buy it then??  'That was a joke...'

Correction:
If Kasumi was voiced by a Japanese lady, would we want an autographed photo...or a date, if she is single?
H*ll yeah.

[delroland]

Constructive criticism:

The quality of the Kasumi DLC is obviously not in dispute. However, I feel that one mission is not enough value for seven dollars. By comparison, we have the Zaeed mission, which was free and had the same amount of content. Also, $7/hour pales in comparison to the 38 hours for the $50 I paid for the original game.

In the future, I suggest the standard for paid DLC be two missions per $7 pack. In the case of Kasumi, it should have been a recruitment mission AND a loyalty mission.

Modifié par delroland, 12 avril 2010 - 07:25 .

[NightKay]

It's just a pity that there isn't enough persdonalty to Kasumi, was hoping for a Love Interest...

But I bought them both anyway.

[rinoe]

I just wondered why this topic changed to disscusion about money. I can't belive it. It is just 7 bucks FGS. In Europe it is a meal in McDonalds (not the top of the menu even). Is this so much????



Second, why do you think ppl work for free? Do you?

We should support them and ENCOURAGE them to do more for us. Bcs it was good.

If you don't want to just not buy it. But stop complain.

[exterminator_]

yes guys i even make a thread for PAID DLC !!!



Encourage them guys

[biggiantcircles]

@Ronin, the movie example questions were more rhetorical but it's nice to have your input anyway

Also, just to be fair, you said "some other titles" (multiple) that averaged $20 per hour. MW2 is $60 / 8 (not counting MP if the player is into that, which they likely are, because it's MW2) = $7.5/hour. Pretty close to the debated figure here, except I'm still digging through my brain trying to think of any games that averaged ~$20 per hour of gameplay.

also, no offense taken (or intended)

Modifié par biggiantcircles, 12 avril 2010 - 08:47 .

[Astarothkun]

I don't understand how anyone could still ask for more free DLC so the developers have a way to thank us for buying the game.
I may remind you that we all got the Cerberus Network for free even though it was planned to make it available only to owners of Collector Editions of ME2 and have anyone else pay to get content from it
Isn't that enough "saying thanks to the customers"?

As for the DLC itself it was totally worth the 7$ for me. A great character, an innovative new mission , a new casual outfit and a new weapon? What else could we ask for as DLC content than that?
Seriously... think about that for a minute.

Modifié par Astarothkun, 12 avril 2010 - 09:29 .

[TriathlonUSAA]

I can understand some players not wanting to pay for the extras as I have felt that way at times for different games. I also understand the need to charge for some of them. We as players sometimes forget that people spend a great deal of time designing, testing, redesigning, retesting, promoting and the eventual releasing of these extras. That can constitute many months, weeks, days and hours to make things work. Also the time spent working on patches for the occasional bugs that pop up. That my fellow players COSTS MONEY. You have to pay the help. As a businessman myself I can tell you that you can only give so much away for free before you start to lose money. Without that green commodity your doors close. To kid yourself and think that it should all be free because you bought the game platform is to believe that those who spend the time and resources on the games upgrades should give up their ideas for nothing. After awhile they stop even developing the game because they get nothing from it. No faster way to kill a game.

Also remember that these game designers are people too. They have homes, bills, families that all depend on them to bring home a pay check. How many of us could handle not getting a paycheck because someone decide that what we did wasn't worth it.

So yes if you feel that it cost to much to buy the extra DLC then don't buy it. That is your right as a consumer. But don't complain about the cost until after you put down that 4 dollar Starbucks or 3 dollar RedBull and you take everything into account.

Modifié par TriathlonUSAA, 12 avril 2010 - 09:57 .

[StargazerUK]

TriathlonUSAA wrote...

I can understand some players not wanting to pay for the extras as I have felt that way at times for different games. I also understand the need to charge for some of them. We as players sometimes forget that people spend a great deal of time designing, testing, redesigning, retesting, promoting and the eventual releasing of these extras. That can constitute many months, weeks, days and hours to make things work. Also the time spent working on patches for the occasional bugs that pop up. That my fellow players COSTS MONEY. You have to pay the help. As a businessman myself I can tell you that you can only give so much away for free before you start to lose money. Without that green commodity your doors close. To kid yourself and think that it should all be free because you bought the game platform is to believe that those who spend the time and resources on the games upgrades should give up their ideas for nothing. After awhile they stop even developing the game because they get nothing from it. No faster way to kill a game.

Also remember that these game designers are people too. They have homes, bills, families that all depend on them to bring home a pay check. How many of us could handle not getting a paycheck because someone decide that what we did wasn't worth it.

So yes if you feel that it cost to much to buy the extra DLC then don't buy it. That is your right as a consumer. But don't complain about the cost until after you put down that 4 dollar Starbucks or 3 dollar RedBull and you take everything into account.

Simply put bioware could of delayed the game and released it with ALL content finished and In the game with nothing to sell afterwards other then work on an expansion pack / fresh DLC to sell or ME3.

I did not mind bring down the sky because the DLC was made after the game was finished and did not stand out as ripped out of the game.

What bugs me with ME2 is the content was ripped out to charge for. When I buy a product I want a complete (launched with the kasumi character and all current DLC in game that is obviously taken out) product and not an have an half assed ripped out content to charge extra on top product.

New content that was developed after the game had been sold I can understand asking money for since it would of been made after the games initial sale for but the current content that been developed with the main game hell no.

Problem I have is so far is how many people got suckered into this DLC model. Its only going to get worse and untill the idiots stop paying for half a game and paying more for the other half (scrapped out content in the form of DLC) more developers will stop delivering a full and complete product that you should be paying for and reciving.

Modifié par StargazerUK, 12 avril 2010 - 11:28 .

[Little Paw]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Little Paw wrote...

To each their own. I thought Kaiden, Liara and Ashley were more in depth and fleshed out than the new characters.
If ME2 characters were so fleshed out then why were Tali and Garrus still the most popular?
To get so deep into the psyche of each new character so quickly felt very forced to me.
I wouldn't be disappointed about people being disappointed. I would hope that all of the constructive community feedback makes ME3 a great game with tweaks and adjustments that are beneficial.
I am not hating on Bioware, but people on these forums get so upset when you critique the games I often wonder why. $60 is a lot of money, and everyone reserves the right to express what they like and dislike about the game.
For me, a few less characters so I could grow to like them better, a longer main storyline that didn't feel rushed, and a non-corny ending would have been nice.

1. No they weren't Kaiden, etc. were examples of some of the most basic fiction archetypes. The wide-eyed, brilliant, but socially awkard innocent, the tough legacy soldier with a bit of xenophobia and a bit of expectation that she would die in service, etc.

2. Because Garrus...and particulary Tali were virtually untapped the entire game. People were hungry for more from them and about them.

3. It's really not" forced." Look at your favorite drama. Things happen offscreen and do so regulary because these people are supposed to have ongoing lives that you're peeking in on for two hours, or once a week or whatever. You can't be shown every moment of interaction on what is, for ME2 a months long journey.

Tali was untapped in Me1?
Really?
Offscreen? You are reading way too much into this.
Recruit missions and a short story arch.
I wasn't impressed. Stop trying to convince me.

Modifié par Little Paw, 13 avril 2010 - 12:04 .

[Little Paw]

rinoe wrote...

I just wondered why this topic changed to disscusion about money. I can't belive it. It is just 7 bucks FGS. In Europe it is a meal in McDonalds (not the top of the menu even). Is this so much????

Second, why do you think ppl work for free? Do you?
We should support them and ENCOURAGE them to do more for us. Bcs it was good.
If you don't want to just not buy it. But stop complain.

Supporting?
These are grown men and women creating a product for sale.
I AM encouraging more....create a DLC that was not so obviously throw away material from the original game.
If this is the future of DLCs, original games are going to get shorter and we are going to be goaded into spending more money just to download what could have been there in the first place...I do not want to support that.

Modifié par Little Paw, 13 avril 2010 - 12:08 .

[Chicken Butter]

Kasumi's Mission was really good. Added some much needed stealth to the game. Umm please try to add some kind of romance package or something that adds more dialogue and such. The dialogue is much deeper in Dragon age, and the dialogue kind of dies after a while with most of the characters. I love this game soo much, but these things are the only thing that are missing in my opinion.

So please!
Add
-Romance pack (added romances)
-More dialogue and options
-And maybe some increased romance options
-Try to add an unstick key or something please because there is a glitch when you walk on a bench or seat (example: Kasumi's mission) you float in ther air and cannot move.

Thank you so much! -Damien

[Illabean]

Kasumi DLC is so much more fun then the Firewalker! Cool character, interesting mission, useful new weapon. Great job! Give us more!

[Projectionist]

Yep i agree she should of been there earlier Kasumi Rocks.

[aodaam]

I have no issue with the DLC. There's no way in hell that was a 90 minute mission, but for everything you got with it, it isn't bad. I'm happy with her ninja-strike, which I thought was going to be useless on harder difficulties, but I've managed to get through half the game on hardcore and she has only died twice (and neither time was from using the backstab attack).



The locust smg is an amazing add, especially for classes which rely on it, because it is basically a poor man's assault rifle. Extremely useful at range, and does some serious damage even on harder difficulties. Perfect for vanguards who need a ranged weapon early on, and an absolute must for sentinels and infiltrators.



Was also happy with the new power, which I figured was going to be useless. The overheating effect is perfect for halting enemy fire long enough to take a few guys down. Not sure I'd opt to use it for Shephard's bonus power but still, even at level one for Kasumi it is useful.



The loyalty mission is also amazing, probably the most interesting one out of the bunch, though Zaeed's and Legion's are both contenders here.



I do wish that there was more involvement with Kasumi though, she's got such a great back story it would have been nicer for extra dialogue outside of the mission itself. Don't know if romance is a neccesity, I think she has too much invested in her ex, and that's fine, but as a male Shephard I don't want to bang Garrus, yet I do like to get to know him on a more 'best friends' type level.



Overall, for $7 bucks I can't complain, is it for everyone? Not really, but I think if you're really looking for more content, and the idea of a new character, mission, power, and smg appeals to you then it might be worth looking at. Still keep in mind, you're only getting about 30 - 45 minutes worth of additional play.