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[gskurski]

I let him go. I read the Penny Arcade comic and I could already tell from that that he was only upset because he had the completely wrong idea of what actually happened between Rendon Howe and the the Couslands. If you get his approval high enough and do his side quest he actually goes onto admit that his father was a monster and that he was wrong about you (which was what I was hoping).



He himself is actually somewhat of a "goody-two-shoes" if you watch to see what actually makes his approval rating go up (siding with the statue of peace, etc).



Besides that I found him to be a valuable asset, especially since my rogue PC couldn't seem to detect any traps.

[fgbrooks]

I didn't like his attitude, and besides the apple never falls far from the tree.  Hung him.

[Kurt M.]

fgbrooks wrote...

I didn't like his attitude, and besides the apple never falls far from the tree.  Hung him.

I agree. The traitor Howe was my char father's best friend, too, and fought alongside in many battles. And look how it ended.

[Drasanil]

Gladiador2 wrote...

fgbrooks wrote...

I didn't like his attitude, and besides the apple never falls far from the tree.  Hung him.

I agree. The traitor Howe was my char father's best friend, too, and fought alongside in many battles. And look how it ended.

Considering just about every one except Bryce Cousland knew Rendon was some sort of cold-blooded snake-weasel-monster, it seems he was just plain stupid or gullible. When you play through the origin, it's not exactly sutble about Howe's character or that something is going on. Also Howe fails whether Duncan shows up or not, Fergus is alive and well in Awakening regardless of which origin you played. 

Any ways Nathaniel is a good character and he gives you some insights into why Rendon hated the Warden's so much which are also very compelling reasons as to why he won't be inclined to stab you in the back.

[Kurt M.]

Drasanil wrote...

Considering just about every one except Bryce Cousland knew Rendon was some sort of cold-blooded snake-weasel-monster, it seems he was just plain stupid or gullible. When you play through the origin, it's not exactly sutble about Howe's character or that something is going on. Also Howe fails whether Duncan shows up or not, Fergus is alive and well in Awakening regardless of which origin you played.

You know, I think nobody here is a seer. Certainly I'm not. Howe wasn't revealed as a snake at least until the treason to the Couslauds. Oh, it's possible that Arnora knew it, but stop counting, and she was being isolated at that time, too.

It's not even obvious at the first playthough of the HNO...not for me at least.

[asaiasai]

I let him live so far because i do not have a rogue PC yet, so i need locks picked. Plus i figured if he survives the joining he is a Grey Warden which binds him to me and the order. I mean his options are limited, kill me and go where? All with the taint eventually seek out the Dark Spawn, i think it is the fraternity of the Wardens that prevents them from becomming ghouls so in a sense Nat is harmless once past the joining.



Asai

[Kurt M.]

asaiasai wrote...

I let him live so far because i do not have a rogue PC yet, so i need locks picked. Plus i figured if he survives the joining he is a Grey Warden which binds him to me and the order. I mean his options are limited, kill me and go where? All with the taint eventually seek out the Dark Spawn, i think it is the fraternity of the Wardens that prevents them from becomming ghouls so in a sense Nat is harmless once past the joining.

Asai

Sigrun is found very early in game. You don't even have to go though her related dungeon to get her to join your squad. That's what I did...to get her inmediatly

[dragonagesucks]

I'm relieved that others hung him too. I killed him dead!

[Hostetler]

My Cousland let him live - what Rendon Howe did was not actually personal, it was politics, he saw an opportunity to take advantage of a tactical advantage = Bryce's Gullibility. As a noble, you should be aware of all the subtleties,nuances, and jockeying for power that goes on. The honest truth is my Cousland actually respected Rendon Howe for doing the deed himself rather than using assasins or poison. It didn't stop me from putting a blade through his chest, but she definitely respected him.

[angj57]

I don't know why everyone keeps saying Bryce is gullible for trusting Rendon Howe. Bryce is very polite and friendly to Howe's face, but we have no idea what he actually thought of him. Sure, he doesn't suspect that Howe will murder his family and ransack his castle, but he would have had no reason to suspect that this would happen. After all, if Cailan hadn't died at Ostagar, Howe would have been hung for what he did.

I happily killed Nathaniel-- my Cousland is generally a merciful guy but the Howe familly is one big exception. I actually didn't have too much against him personally. Instead I sort of looked at it as one finally act of vengance against his father. And obviously my character had no way of knowing what would happen in the epilogue. However if I play Awakening again as a non-Cousland then yes I will conscript him.

[ahnnajade]

Nathaniel's my favorite char in the EP! and my character is human. I'm disturbed so many people killed him on their Couslands and act as though this is obvious or the staple response.

Rage/revenge killing is a rage/revenge killing,  and considering Nathaniel didn't have a hand in Rendon's plot (certainly none you could prove at the time), anyone who had him killed and then tries to act as though their character is just and so forth and not seriously flawed I want to hit in the head with a pot.
I also want to hit people who didn't kill Velanna, but killed Nathaniel, all in the name of justice, I want to hit with a pot.

Also! I adore Nathaniel's voice... maybe that has made me entirely biased and I deserve the pot.

[Ceridraen]

Blaming him for his father's crime seems so.... wrong. Plus, he's adorable. If I had a female Cousland, & she wasn't with Alistair, he'd be her man, no question. But- oh well, to each his own. He's got such a great voice - that alone is reason to spare him.

[Karlojey]

I did. I was role playing my character (male, human noble). I just respec'd Sigrun to be my archer that's why I didn't really miss Nathaniel. Yes, I missed out on some story, but I got other toons going to Awakening anyway. I'll just use them to find out the story behind Howe.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Arl Howe is dead his family is shamed the legacy of his family time lie died with Loghain and Arl Howe his mother is dead and he is hated by everyone but his sister and me. I see no point in killing him for it does nothing cause he has nothing else to lose besides his own life. If you do kill him your no better then Arl Howe if you kill a innocent man just wanting to get some of his familys things what justice does anyone see in that?

[amd2112]

It's not about justice at this point. It's being proactive. I lynched him. Why take the chance of the little worm turning on you in the future? Maybe his offspring will come back to haunt the Couslands. Getting rid of Howe now is just sensible strategy. His change of attitude could be an elaborate ruse in a Count of Monte Cristo plan of vengeance. He had already admitted intentions to kill the warden. Are you really going to take his word when he says he just came back to get some things that belonged to his family now? Pfft. String him up, I say.

[Mirthadrond]

My Cousland hung him, because 1)

he admitted to coming there to kill me

2) he's a Howe, and there are Howe supporters all over the Arl, leaving him alive gives them someone to follow/conspire with. Cold yes, but I needed to secure my position.

3) he was unapologetic and made no case for himself, and even asked me to kill him

4) allowing an assassin to go free, who is hell bent on my death, is not a wise decision

5) let's not forget revenge, his father did murder my family and friends and payback is a ****



Other characters (including another Cousland) conscripted him.



I do like his character and enjoyed having him around.



FYI - the Cousland who hung him also went after Velanna as well, was going to kill her but my ge bugged and she disappeared. Otherwise I'd put her to death for killing my people; her lack of intellegence is no reason to forgive her multiple homicides.

[R-F]

you know i hovered in the response menu for a couple minutes before deciding to spare him. my problem was with his father not him, and i murdered the heck out of him. i also thought by keeping him with me i could screw with him, but he ended up being my favourite companion apart from Anders. my team was usually him, and Anders, plus either Oggie or Sigrun when i got her later.

[Bigdoser]

The crime is his farther's not his son's.

[errant_knight]

Not me. There but for the grace of the Maker, and all that. MY PC would probably have done the same in his position and with his lack of knowledge. Good thing she felt that way about it, too. He turned out to be a really decent guy.

[Master Shiori]

My human noble killed him once just to vent out his frustration with Howes.



However, I think he's actually a rather nice character once you get to know him better.

[Redd99]

Yep! My mage recruited him, but my HNF rogue had no need for his skills and wanted revenge for her family being wiped out by Arl Howe so it was off to the gallows with Nate.

Modifié par Redd99, 11 avril 2010 - 03:22 .

[Warrcry13]

fgbrooks wrote...

I didn't like his attitude, and besides the apple never falls far from the tree.  Hung him.

The apple may not fall far from the tree, but that same apple could be moved far from the tree.

[Pigbin]

Hanged him, would have drawn, quartered and displayed the pieces over the main gates of Amaranthine if I could have.  And if the nobles of the new Cousland Arling want to complain then they can keep the pieces company!
The Howe family switch sides to suit their self interest quicker than Oghren hits the bottle, give the son 5 minutes and he'd be rushing off to join the Darkspawn if he thought they were going to win!

And can anyone tell me why suddenly he's called Nathaniel?  I was so looking forward to coming across Thomas Howe that everyone kept mentioning in Origins that when I got the option to kill Nathaniel it almost felt I was being cheated.  Does this get explained if you keep him alive?

[Pigbin]

Lothar the Mad wrote...

Yes. Thomas died sometime during the war. I'm guessing the Battle of Denerim, since Bann Sighard mentions him after you save his son from Howe's dungeon during the Landsmeet.

Nathaniel was studying abroad, in the Free Marches during the events of Origins.

Ah, thanks for that Lothar