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[Alikain]

I let him live because if I had to kill him then, I will have to kill the whole family. Beside the reason for him been there at first was to kill you but then all he wanted was to get some of his family things.

[Daneres]

Gilsa wrote...

Howe shines the best when you let him go. You get an extra dialogue tree if you do not loot the prisoner chest which gives you the option of saying, "He's not his father, let him go." If they ever make Nathaniel romanceable, I'd level up a Cousland just for that. Easily one of my favorite characters of the expansion.

I let Nathanial live and made him a Warden and he is easily my new favorite companion. God let's hope Anders and Nathanial become romanceable - PUH-LEASE BIOWARE - as I am just itching to let Alistair die rather than see him with Morrigan and give her a demonic child - no good can come out of a woman who disapproves of you giving a king a proper funeral and you NOT letting a demon possess a little girl. I'm sorry, but no. If their characters are romanceable in future games I can see my Cousland girl going off with Nathaniel. If things had been different and the story not written the way it was, I don't think it's a stretch to assume they would have been married in the future anyway.  I do love Anders too, though; reminds me of Alistair, only not so naive and dutiful (with a scowl). I think he'd be quite happy with any of my mages in the future. Speaking of that...did anyone else get a 100% love approval from Anders. I did and it surprised me, as they said no romance - I played a new character in Awakening, however, an elven rogue again. This why I hold out hope that maybe Bioware will let our female characters have one or both of them in the future - Lord, I HOPE so. Again, Bioware, I beg PUH-LEASE! Seriously, where were these two sexy male humans in the first game to choose from, rather than Zevran. He's shorter than your human girls - wrong.

[Daneres]

Reverie wrote...

I saw no reason to kill him just because he was a Howe. It was his father that killed my PC family, not him. Plus he's one of my faves now (besides Sigrun and Anders)

I like Sigrun too, she's a doll, so cute and awestruck about the surface world.   And Anders...well my female characters could curl up with him quite easily. lol He's right about those robes.

[Daneres]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I expected to really hate him after reading the Penny Arcade comic but once I got in game he turned out to be a very pleasant surprise. He has none of the slimy qualities of his father and it was clear after chatting with him in his cell he was unaware of his father's deeds. I let him live and it was an act of mercy I never regretted. My HNF learned from Zathrian, sooner or later you have to let go or it will kill you inside till there is nothing left but your need for hurting others. Once killing Howe, all her vengeance was gone. It was done and with sparing Nathaniel, she was taking a huge step forward in character development instead of wallowing in a petty need for revenge.

He and Anders are my core group. I don't really need anyone else but I usually take Justice along too for the conversation banter and extra tankyness. (My DW warrior is a Sherman tank despite not being built for it).

Mine too. I finished Awakening and never went anywhere without Anders or Nathanial. Even if I was a mage, like Anders, or a rogue, like Nathaniel, they were my traveling partners, finished the game with both of them at my side. Usually for the third party member I trade off between Oghren and Sigrun.

[Daneres]

RGC_Ines wrote...

First time when I saw him, I ordered to hang him ( I played HNF). Don't know how to explain it, but when I saw how calm he was after death sentence, I regret my decision and re-loaded game, so I could took him to my team. Unfortunetly, becouse of new dialog system, I don't know him too good ( I had only one conversation with him next to Statue in a city, about his grandfather), but I think he could be nice companion..Maybe, when I will find more "dialog points" in next game I will have higher approval with Nathaniel and will know him better.

Who else disliked the new dialogue system? I didn't like it at all. I like being able to click on my people at any time or point in the game and having conversations start. I hope Bioware doesn't stick to this system in future games.

[Daneres]

Nefily wrote...

I don't know if it was a bug but my cousland queen let him go with his families belongings then recruited him when he came back and was really nice to him, after allot of dialogue and gift giving i checked on his approval rating thinking wed be best friends and it was 87(love) which was a really sweet and sad moment for me that he loved her and couldn't have her since shes queen and never leaving Ali. I wanted him to confess the feelings so much in the game for the character development but it never happened so i thought it could of been a bug that he wasn't just a friend like anders.

But then i thought maybe hes too much a nice guy/gentlemen to confess and would just suffer in silence then cause conflict.

So you got a love approval too. I only got one from Anders, not from Nathaniel, and Nathaniel was only ever at 100 warm. I played an elven rogue, so maybe this reaction is keyed into the Human Female Noble origin. I hope not. I'd like to have that reaction from him, regardless of being able to act on it. Keeping my fingers crossed, however; as I said in my earlier post: I will gladly let Alistair die if it meant my girl would have someone equally sweet, attractive, and pleasant to be with after his death. Maybe even better. Anders and Nathaniel aren't so naive as Alistair, but yet seem to be equally needy in approval and someone who cares about them. My girls would happily comply!

[Daneres]

Ceridraen wrote...

Blaming him for his father's crime seems so.... wrong. Plus, he's adorable. If I had a female Cousland, & she wasn't with Alistair, he'd be her man, no question. But- oh well, to each his own. He's got such a great voice - that alone is reason to spare him.

lol He does have a great voice, doesn't he? And if you take the time to get to know him he's actually a sweetie, good natured and cute. Plus, tortured and mysterious is a turn on. And I agree, he would be my Cousland girl's man too if it had not been for Alistair in the original game. Honestly, if Nathaniel had been in Origins, with Alistair, I probably would have gone for him instead.

And that's another thing...Nathaniel is a Howe, so at the start of the Human Noble origin in Dragon Age when Arl Howe brings up his son and the possibility of an arranged marriage why is the son offered to your girl Tomas, the (acccording to Nathaniel) drunken lecher and all around bad guy? Why wasn't it Nathaniel?

[caradoc2000]

I always let them hang Nathaniel.

[C9316]

Commodore Q wrote...

As a member of the Cousland family i felt the need for vengance:devil:, and opted to hang him rather than have him in my party, even if it ment i'd lose a squaddie. Who else did the same?

hah!! I guess devious minds think alike huh? yeah as a noble I'm sad I didn't get to thrust the pommel of my sword through his stomach myself or atleast get to hang him myself(that would make for a great mini-game don't you think?)

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I cant believe so many people killed him hes a good guy course hes gonna be a little pissy towards you wen your order kills his father then consripts him. But thats part of the drama people who hung him are no better then arl howe himself. I highly doubt bryce cousland would approve of him being hung. The son should not pay for the fathers deeds. He was all the way in the free marshes afterall!

[Riona45]

I can't think of a rational reason to kill him. He had nothing to do with his father's crimes (he wasn't even in Ferelden at the time), and while he may have originally intended to kill you, it's pretty obvious from talking to him that his heart wasn't in it.

[Beerfish]

I took him along in my 1st play through but had him put down in my 2nd play through.

[Beerfish]

Riona45 wrote...

I can't think of a rational reason to kill him. He had nothing to do with his father's crimes (he wasn't even in Ferelden at the time), and while he may have originally intended to kill you, it's pretty obvious from talking to him that his heart wasn't in it.

Well he did come to try and kill you in the 1st place.  I have a tough time just happily accepting guys at their word that they have decided NOT to kill you when they are at the disadvantage, similar to Zevran

[Riona45]

Beerfish wrote...


Well he did come to try and kill you in the 1st place.  I have a tough time just happily accepting guys at their word that they have decided NOT to kill you when they are at the disadvantage, similar to Zevran

Well, that's the thing--did all the people who killed Nathaniel also kill Zevran right when they met him?  If they didn't, why not?

Aside from that, I'm getting the impression that in a lot of cases the guy was killed mainly because of his surname.

[Tindl]

In my ND Rogue run through, I let him leave with his family's stuff. Never saw him again.



In my NH Rogue run through, I let him leave with his famly's stuff, and he joined up later, and was a great character.



Couldn't bring myself to hang him. His father's actions weren't his. I'd be pretty pissed off if anyone blamed me for things my father did, especially if I'd been in another 'country'. The fact he defends his father to start with just shows family loyalty, and I approve (+10).



No idea why he didn't come back for my dwarf, though. I am guessing it was a bug

[Qutayba]

On my female city elf character, I couldn't in good conscience let Nathaniel - or anyone even vaguely related to the perpetrators of the murder and torture of the alienage - live. Let them all burn! Elf Power! But boy was it a pain re-tasking the cunning-deprived Gudrun into a lock picker.

[Lauranizer]

Nathaniel is by far, my favorite companion. I always save him and I wish the he was a romance option ....he is just incredible!

I have a City Elf and a Human Noble and I saved him both times, I conscripted him into the Grey Wardens!

[swk3000]

I generally let him live. I haven't run through Awakening as a Human Noble, but if/when I do, I'll still let him live. After all, an Antivan Crow couldn't do me in, and they're trained to be assassins. Some little boy with a bow is hardly going to be much better.

[ladydesire]

I haven't killed him (yet), simply because I feel that he deserves the chance to prove he's not his father. That, and I love to see the expression on his face when my Cousland girls forgive his family for the pain they experienced.

[Gnoster]

The fact that some (all) of the companions when they reach 100 approval read Love is a recognized bug by Bioware. It doesn't mean that companion is possible to romance. Sadly romance was chosen not to be part of Awakening.



I myself have played through Awakening once with a HNM warrior, and I chose to let Nathaniel live. In fact he was so unused to all this nobleman decision making that during the court session he let the farmer live and gave the soldier time of for so she could go get her family, and during the rebellion I gave the rebels food. And where did it get me in the epilogue? Riots everywhere since it had showed rebellions would pay off and other bad stuff.



Next playthrough with a nobleman, who really should have learned how to govern, I will not be so kind. Especially since my new HNM is going to marry Anora and be king.

[vomarython]

My HN hung him, I was almost sad I didn't get to see it after what his family did to th Cousland's.

[Rrend]

Commodore Q wrote...

As a member of the Cousland family i felt the need for vengance:devil:, and opted to hang him rather than have him in my party, even if it ment i'd lose a squaddie. Who else did the same?

/signed

[MadCat221]

Gnoster wrote...

The fact that some (all) of the
companions when they reach 100 approval read Love is a recognized bug by
Bioware. It doesn't mean that companion is possible to romance. Sadly
romance was chosen not to be part of Awakening.

I myself have
played through Awakening once with a HNM warrior, and I chose to let
Nathaniel live. In fact he was so unused to all this nobleman decision
making that during the court session he let the farmer live and gave the
soldier time of for so she could go get her family, and during the
rebellion I gave the rebels food. And where did it get me in the
epilogue? Riots everywhere since it had showed rebellions would pay off
and other bad stuff.

Next playthrough with a nobleman, who really
should have learned how to govern, I will not be so kind. Especially
since my new HNM is going to marry Anora and be king.

Cruelty
is not the answer either.

If it's because you cannot beat the persuasion check no matter what, it's a documented bug whose source is being investigated on the Wiki.

vomarython wrote...

My HN hung him, I was almost sad I
didn't get to see it after what his family did to th Cousland's.

His family in general did nothing to the Couslands.  His father alone is to blame.  By executing Nate, you are no better than Rendon was: Bitter and vindicative.  Very Neitzcheian of you.

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 juin 2010 - 05:41 .

[Ken555]

Nathaniels easily my fav Rogue.