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[KnightofPhoenix]

The darkspawn will most likely start fighting themselves. As they become intelligent, they will start to be divided along many lines, like we are today. It's a stretch to assume that the darkspawn will be able to rally under one banner and overrun the surface. The only way they can do that is with the blight and an Archdemon commanding them.

And as Ambeth has said. All those negative consequences you are mentioning have happened, are happening and will happen regardless of the choice made. The darkspawn, a species that cannot be eliminated without excessive costs to our own, will be freed eventually, when the last old God is slain. The choice to spare the Architect might have a slim chance to avoid the 2 blights in the first place and would provide the darkspawn with a guide that the species sorely needs. A species that suddenly finds itself intelligent, is at war with other species and has no guidance from anyone will be lost and backed to a corner. and that's the frightening scenario.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 mars 2010 - 02:10 .

[Vicious]

Who else did? Santa Claus? In his lab notes, he discusses experiments on turning dragons into thralls.



Hot damn, you all would make terrible prosecutors in a court of law.

ROFL.

[Ex-Paladin]

Well, in my game, I let him live and in my epilouge it said that he managed to stop the Blight forever. ^-^



I've never read The Calling, so I was confused by his promise to Utha lol til I read it here but I rather trusted him. And I think, for everyone to see my ending, I'll make a vid of it. I ain't gonna argue rofl (but I shall defend my buddy the Architect I just can't seem to kill him XD")

[Stoomkal]

tee-hee...



So if Darth Vader appeared in white armor and called himself Darth Vader you wouldn't think it was a different guy?



It must be easy for you guys when a tv show changes actors mid season... and it is not something generally done in literature... or at all.

[LD50]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The darkspawn will most likely start fighting themselves. As they become intelligent, they will start to be divided along many lines, like we are today. It's a stretch to assume that the darkspawn will be able to rally under one banner and overrun the surface. The only way they can do that is with the blight and an Archdemon commanding them.

And as Ambeth has said. All those negative consequences you are mentioning have happened, are happening and will happen regardless of the choice made. The darkspawn, a species that cannot be eliminated without excessive costs to our own, will be freed eventually, when the last old God is slain. The choice to spare the Architect might have a slim chance to avoid the 2 blights in the first place and would provide the darkspawn with a guide that the species sorely needs. A species that suddenly finds itself intelligent, is at war with other species and has no guidance from anyone will be lost and backed to a corner. and that's the frightening scenario.

Well, as I mentioned, Ambeth makes some very good points. As do you.

But have you considered that the Architect can also make the situation much, much worse? Consider a Blight which involves intelligent darkspawn.

As I see it, one of the main reasons that Blights can be defeated is that the darkspawn lack organisation. A Blight led like a real, coherent army would have overrun Ferelden and been halfway to Val Royeaux before the Warden even got out of Lothering, I'd wager.

[Efesell]

Stoomkal wrote...

tee-hee...

So if Darth Vader appeared in white armor and called himself Darth Vader you wouldn't think it was a different guy?

It must be easy for you guys when a tv show changes actors mid season... and it is not something generally done in literature... or at all.

If Darth Vader appeared in white armor and sounded and acted exactly like he always has then yes I would think it was the same guy.

Also a Blight involving intelligent Darkspawn would probably be LESS threatening since it makes it very unlikely they would all be ammased under the same banner as they are during a normal Blight.

Modifié par Efesell, 25 mars 2010 - 02:29 .

[Stoomkal]

Well, there you go.



So... how do you explain the fact that the Architect had his right hand cut off in the book?



Oh yes... Maaaaagic!!



*Literary Enchantment!*

[LD50]

Ex-Paladin wrote...

Well, in my game, I let him live and in my epilouge it said that he managed to stop the Blight forever. ^-^

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the epilogue for saving the Architect only sdaid that the other wardens didn't find the Architect depsite looking for him for a few years, the darkspawn disappeared further underground and that the deep roads had never been this quiet.

Considering that there were 400 years between the last two Blights, I don't think that necessarily means the Blights were stopped.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LD50 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The darkspawn will most likely start fighting themselves. As they become intelligent, they will start to be divided along many lines, like we are today. It's a stretch to assume that the darkspawn will be able to rally under one banner and overrun the surface. The only way they can do that is with the blight and an Archdemon commanding them.

And as Ambeth has said. All those negative consequences you are mentioning have happened, are happening and will happen regardless of the choice made. The darkspawn, a species that cannot be eliminated without excessive costs to our own, will be freed eventually, when the last old God is slain. The choice to spare the Architect might have a slim chance to avoid the 2 blights in the first place and would provide the darkspawn with a guide that the species sorely needs. A species that suddenly finds itself intelligent, is at war with other species and has no guidance from anyone will be lost and backed to a corner. and that's the frightening scenario.

Well, as I mentioned, Ambeth makes some very good points. As do you.

But have you considered that the Architect can also make the situation much, much worse? Consider a Blight which involves intelligent darkspawn.

As I see it, one of the main reasons that Blights can be defeated is that the darkspawn lack organisation. A Blight led like a real, coherent army would have overrun Ferelden and been halfway to Val Royeaux before the Warden even got out of Lothering, I'd wager.

The blight IS organised, around the will of the Archdemon. And if you think about it, it was only the Archdemon that had any semblance of strategy, while the "good guys" just seem to kill each other and just charge.
The darkspawn were able to ambush the Tower at Ostagar and from RtO, they were able to completely shatter the mages and encircle the King's position.
The darkspawn also led a feint atttack on redcliff, concealing their forces while they march at Denerim.
 
The blight was composed of mindless pawns, but there was a mind and cohesion behind it and that's the Archdemon.

The Architect cannot start a blight, as by definitiion, a blight can only start when an old God is tainted. Only the Archdemons have the power necessary to turn the entire species into their unthiking slaves. The Architect doesn't.

Intelligent darkspawn wouldn't be that much different than the blights in terms of military strategy. Except and that's the key part. If the darkspawn are intelligent, then they become self-interested. They can show fear, hesitation, morale, objection to their leaders. They will no longer be mindless pawns that know no fear, no hesitation, that cannot disobey any order.  
What is sacrier?
I would rather go with the intelligent darkspawn that can be negotiated with and can be influenced.

[sylvanaerie]

Stoomkal wrote...

Well, there you go.

So... how do you explain the fact that the Architect had his right hand cut off in the book?

Oh yes... Maaaaagic!!

*Literary Enchantment!*

He's part lizard?

[Efesell]

That would be an unfortunate oversight yes. I'm not arguing that the Calling is a perfect book, or even a good one since I'm relying on synopses.

[Volourn]

"But have you considered that the Architect can also make the situation much, much worse? Consider a Blight which involves intelligent darkspawn."



Is that even possible? Doesn't their improved intelligence make them lose connection to the tainted old gods/song. Afterall, that's why the Mother has gone crazy. She's the counterpoint to the more 'reasonable' Architecht.





"So if Darth Vader appeared in white armor and called himself Darth Vader you wouldn't think it was a different guy?



It must be easy for you guys when a tv show changes actors mid season... and it is not something generally done in literature... or at all."



This is silly. It's like you meeting me while I'm wearing swimshorts and the next time you see me wearing a suit. Are you gonna assume I'm a different guy? Come on, now.



Darth Vader in black armour is still Darth Vader in white armour.



As for the Architect's supposed appearance change (haven't read the book), big deal. He was changed to suit the purpose of a different medium. Nothing to get wigged out.





Anyways, my own approach to the whole darkspawn thing is this:



We. must. set. the darkspawn. free. so. we. can. be. free.

[LD50]

Stoomkal wrote...

Well, there you go.

So... how do you explain the fact that the Architect had his right hand cut off in the book?

Oh yes... Maaaaagic!!

*Literary Enchantment!*

I think magic would be an appropriate answer since, you know, people chuck fireballs at each other's heads.

Or that, you know, they use magic to heal themselves on a regular basis.

[Stoomkal]

Good... as in even remotely relevant?



How about this... the game is called "Awakening" because it is kinda the awakening of a new kind of DS... only it isnt.



The Architect was present decades ago - with Maric and Duncan. Apparently, both Duncan and Maric forgot to tell *anyone* about him or his plan... not even the other Grey Wardens or First Warden.



Help me! I am falling into the plot holes...



Actually, it is more holes than plot.

[Stoomkal]

Volourn wrote...

This is silly. It's like you meeting me while I'm wearing swimshorts and the next time you see me wearing a suit. Are you gonna assume I'm a different guy? Come on, now.

Darth Vader in black armour is still Darth Vader in white armour.

As for the Architect's supposed appearance change (haven't read the book), big deal. He was changed to suit the purpose of a different medium. Nothing to get wigged out.

...

So if I have different color skin, a different face, and I regrow missing body parts - you will instantly recognise me?

[Vicious]

I was very annoyed that his hand was back with no explanation.



I mean it could have gone 2 ways. They could have went with the stories and had him missing a hand. And people would be all over these boards asking, "How did he lose his hand??" and people would say, "He got it chopped off in The Calling!" And they would be all, "Cool I should go read that!"



Instead it;s



"Why does he have his hand?" "Huh?" "He lost it in the calling!" "Who knows, maybe he's a lizard."



Way to stick it to the fans who actually bother to read the books, Bioware! WOOT! Because if you guys weren't sticking it to the fans, you would have actually bothered to throw in an explanation! Awesome!

[Efesell]

Stoomkal wrote...

Volourn wrote...

This is silly. It's like you meeting me while I'm wearing swimshorts and the next time you see me wearing a suit. Are you gonna assume I'm a different guy? Come on, now.

Darth Vader in black armour is still Darth Vader in white armour.

As for the Architect's supposed appearance change (haven't read the book), big deal. He was changed to suit the purpose of a different medium. Nothing to get wigged out.

...

So if I have different color skin, a different face, and I regrow missing body parts - you will instantly recognise me?

The regrown hand is an issue, yes.

Redesigning a character for a new medium is less of one, especially when the character is written the same way.

[Stoomkal]

As far as I am concerned, defending The Calling is about as clever as defending the Star Wars prequels...

It is a game you will always lose...

EDIT: I much prefer the Awakening version, anyway.

Modifié par Stoomkal, 25 mars 2010 - 02:40 .

[Ex-Paladin]

LD50 wrote...

Ex-Paladin wrote...

Well, in my game, I let him live and in my epilouge it said that he managed to stop the Blight forever. ^-^

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the epilogue for saving the Architect only sdaid that the other wardens didn't find the Architect depsite looking for him for a few years, the darkspawn disappeared further underground and that the deep roads had never been this quiet.

Considering that there were 400 years between the last two Blights, I don't think that necessarily means the Blights were stopped.

In my Epilogue (which I just finished killing Mother and I recorded it all, which is uploading now), it said that the Blight ended once and for all or something along the lines

[Efesell]

I've not seen any epilogue involving sparing him go that far.. just that attacks stop and the Deep Roads are much safer.

Modifié par Efesell, 25 mars 2010 - 02:48 .

[Ex-Paladin]

Efesell wrote...

I've not seen any epilogue involving sparing him go that far.. just that attacks stop and the Deep Roads are much safer.

This is what my said, "As for the savior of Ferelden, she did not remain as the Commander for the Grey for long. The darkspawn were no longer a real concern, the Blight well and truly over. It was time for her to move on."

Video is still uploading, so once that's done, you all can check it lol

[Efesell]

Well yeah, the current Blight was over. That does not mean ALL Blights are over.

[Ex-Paladin]

Efesell wrote...

Well yeah, the current Blight was over. That does not mean ALL Blights are over.

But that one (with the Mother and the Architect) wasn't a Blight at all. Its only a Blight when its the Archdemon leading them.

[Sarah1281]

But it was considered the aftermath of a Blight since the darkspawn were up and about on the surface due to the Archdemon but hadn't gone under yet. And the Blight was all the Architect's fault anyway, as your character should be aware since he's still alive.

[Efesell]

Ex-Paladin wrote...

Efesell wrote...

Well yeah, the current Blight was over. That does not mean ALL Blights are over.

But that one (with the Mother and the Architect) wasn't a Blight at all. Its only a Blight when its the Archdemon leading them.

A Blight is generally considered over when all of the Darkspawn flee back to the Deep Roads, since that never really happened you can easily argue that it never actually ended with the Archdemons death.

Besides, that still doesn't read anything like "There were no more Blights".