95Headhunter wrote...
TheTrooper1138 wrote...
95Headhunter wrote...
TheTrooper1138 wrote...
95Headhunter wrote...
TheTrooper1138 wrote...
95Headhunter wrote...
Capitalism's a beautiful thing.
No, it's not.
Let me put it this way. Without it, that game that's the whole focus of these forums probably wouldn't exist.
ah, the old "without Capitalism there's no art" argument... I don't think you want me to go into that one... just look at how long Capitalism is around and at how long art has been around... sorry, but your argument is pure bullcrap, nothing more.
1) Wow. That's a little presumptive don't you think? Given that I haven't even given an argument, you're not really in any position to call anything bullcrap, are you?
2) I'm not talking about art here. At all. I'm not sure I'd even classify video games as art. Regardless, some of the best art is free.
1) Yes you did, indirectly. And who knows what might be, if we wouldn't be living in Capitalist societies. You can't know that, so any assumption on that point is *bullcrap* 
2) Depends on the game. I wouldn't call CoD art for example, since it's just mainstream fast-food gaming, but more sophisticated games are definitely art.
1)No, I made a statement. No matter what implications you choose to interpret from that statement, it does not become an argument. An argument is (or should be) a stated opinion with rationale and reasons for coming to that conclusion. An argument is pretty much what I presented in the rest of the post you quoted, which you conveniently ignored. OK, I can't know what would happen in your imagined utopia society where everyone can make as much money as they want, but nobody is poor (admittedly I'm assuming that's your reasoning for taking such a hostile slant on my statement - a tad hypocritcal I know). That doesn't change the fact that the video game industry we know and love has evolved directly as a result of a capitalist society.
2)Which is a classic non-answer if ever I saw one. Art is, by definition, exceptionally subjective. While you may not consider CoD art, I might for its savage depiction of the futility of war, and the depiction of a tragic hero's journey against an amassed evil, that loses itself in the melancholy of anonymity as the hero's valiant efforts go unnoticed and unrewarded by an indifferent world. I don't, but I could if I wanted to. So it really isn't for you to say, as far as the purposes of argument go, what is and what is not art. Especially when it's entirely irrelevant anyway.
1) See also mcsupersport' post; you said Capitalism was great. OK, you didn't give reasons, but you stated your opinion, unless you were being ironic, which you obviously weren't judging from your replies. And the system itself is terrible and unjust.
And nobody would know what would be if say America and Europe were Communist (true or real - the latter meaning the one that existed and had not much to do with Communism, the other meaning the idealist one). I say VG are a product of Western culture, not of our economic system. Also I'm not a Communist, since I don't believe Communism would work, but maybe more of a social democrat (not in the way of our so-called "social democrat party" though
), just saying. Maybe I'm a bit of an idealist, but I certainly despise Capitalism and I think any of it's "achievements" would be possible under a better and more fair system as well.
2) Well, there are certain standards by which we define art, but of course you've got a point. But still, if you want, call it entertainment, has been around much longer than Capitalism as well...
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