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[Panderfringe]

Cascadus wrote...

Panderfringe wrote...
let's be honest, most PC game owners are pirates. Like, really here, let's not pretend otherwise.

Upon seeing your CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE I have no choice but to accept your REASONS as FACT.
...wait, what?

So hey, let's take a look at people who bought the game versus those that did not.

[Cascadus]

Mind bringing out that chart for those of us so ignorant? Because as far as I'm aware, BioWare's choice to avoid DRM and the game has sold two million.

How about you can prove to me almost every PC gamer is a pirate? And if that were true, than why are games like L4D2 and Sims 3 STILL selling like hotcakes.

Calling almost all PC gamers pirates is about as ignorant as calling all console gamers twelve-year olds. Don't act like an over-generalizing fanboy pulling numbers from thin air. I expect better from people.

[Ecael]

Panderfringe wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

Panderfringe wrote...
let's be honest, most PC game owners are pirates. Like, really here, let's not pretend otherwise.

Upon seeing your CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE I have no choice but to accept your REASONS as FACT.
...wait, what?

So hey, let's take a look at people who bought the game versus those that did not.

Sure:

Top 10 Most Pirated Games of 2008 (BitTorrent downloads)
1 Spore (1,700,000) (Sept. 2008)
2 The Sims 2 (1,150,000) (Sept. 2004)
3 Assassins Creed (1,070,000) (Nov. 2007)
4 Crysis (940,000) (Nov. 2007)
5 Command & Conquer 3 (860,000) (Mar. 2007)
6 Call of Duty 4 (830,000) (Nov. 2007)
7 GTA San Andreas (740,000) (Jun. 2005)
8 Fallout 3 (645,000) (Oct. 2008)
9 Far Cry 2 (585,000) (Oct. 2008)
10 Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (470,000) (Oct. 2008)

Top 20 Best Selling PC Games of 2008 (retail only)
1. World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
2. Spore
3. World of Warcraft: Battle Chest
4. Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures
5. Warhammer Online: Age Of Reckoning
6. Call Of Duty 4
7. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
8. World Of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King Collector's Edition
9. Fallout 3
10. World Of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade
11. Call Of Duty: World At War
12. The Sims 2 FreeTime
13. World Of Warcraft
14. Sins Of A Solar Empire
15. Warcraft III Battle Chest
16. The Sims 2 Apartment Life
17. Crysis
18. Left 4 Dead
19. Diablo Battle Chest
20. The Orange Box

Three other things to note:
-The sales list does NOT include digital distribution (Steam, Direct2Drive), as most of those market sites do not release their sales information. This is the easiest method of obtaining a game for a consumer and also the biggest profit margin for developers (win-win)
-MMORPGs fill up about half the list. Sure, private servers exist, but the full experience is never there.
-Some speculate that although Blizzard is responsible for much of PC gaming's success, World of Warcraft is partly responsible drawing PC sales away from other, less addicting games. Still, almost all WoW players did not pirate that game.

Since this is an EA forum (and EA has been known to both include strict DRM and then take it out after complaints), let's focus on The Sims 2 and Spore. Both games are made by EA Maxis and had very strict DRM. Yet, pirates still cracked it and it still became the best selling games of 2008 (non-MMORPG) despite being the most pirated games of 2008. EA later removed the DRM in order to appease customers that were indignant over being treated like a criminal for buying the game.

Unless you have better evidence to show that most PC gamers are pirates, you're a troll and nothing more. Next you'll tell us that most moviegoers are pirates, too.

[Ecael]

Bumping from:

http://social.biowar...index/1932059/1

[Razor_Zeng]

The best type of DRM in my opinion is a code check. You input the code you get with the game and the game is locked to you.



Done via Steam (itself a type of DRM) or other means it matters not. Having to constantly be connected to the game servers for a single player game just to make sure you are not pirating the game is stupid.

[Brp650]

Heres an idea. Ever tried removing a harddrive with an istalled OS and place it in another comp? Wont work because the sys files cant find the installed components. If game developers can figure out how to do that, the game you install on your system will only work for that system. One time activation on line and the game server inserts a sys file. Pirate all you want, the game cant find the required hardware. How many computers are exactly the same? not many. Even factory junk is different in some ways.

[Brp650]

Razor_Zeng wrote...

The best type of DRM in my opinion is a code check. You input the code you get with the game and the game is locked to you.

Done via Steam (itself a type of DRM) or other means it matters not. Having to constantly be connected to the game servers for a single player game just to make sure you are not pirating the game is stupid.

wont work. The new game Metro 2033 has been cracked and the version is from Steam:whistle:

[freality]

 There's a simple solution to not needing an internet connection to play.

[Jaysonie]

freality wrote...

 There's a simple solution to not needing an internet connection to play.

Jerkface, i do hope you get a banning for this.

[Baskervore]

Maintaining a constant internet connection is generally not a problem for me. However, I dislike that as a form of DRM and will not buy any product that features that form of DRM as my way of protesting. Obviously, I won't pirate it either - that's just no fun.

[AesirEdge]

just my quick, short(or maybe not...), 2 cents:



considering the response of the DRM on ME1 was taken into consideration when deciding on DRM on ME2, hopefully with the player-base positive reaction of no DRM of ME2, ME3 will also have no DRM



but we, the players, won't really know until release *shrug*

[freality]

Jaysonie wrote...

freality wrote...

 There's a simple solution to not needing an internet connection to play.

Jerkface, i do hope you get a banning for this.

Whoa, there!  Careful with that salty language or you might find yourself banned!

Modifié par freality, 30 mars 2010 - 10:21 .

[Rive Caedo]

Luc0s wrote...
Trust me, systems like this are a pain in the a-hole for honest gamers like us who actually buy their games, but for pirates? Nahhhh, they found a solution to DRM right after it got introduced. Every time the industry come with a new (sometimes ridiculous) anti-piracy method, the pirates will find a way to bypass it. They always will.

This is pretty much the focal point.
Even the new (critically annoying for real customers) Ubisoft DRM was broken within 24 hours supposedly.

It's a major problem when pirates end up with products that are SUPERIOR to paid products.

[xCirdanx]

No. I´m sure about that, Bioware isn´t that stupid. Maybe there will be one forced by EA, who knows. But by now they should have realized (what they should have known at first) that this doesn´t help and will "kill" your loyal fans.

The fact that anyone is such an idiot coming up with this, is actualy mind tumbling, despite the fact that it doesn´t help in any way. (software dev since 15 years)