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[AutumnGhost]

Spyndel wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

It's an expansion. Not a sequel.

It's a module, not an expansion.

Really, that's why it says "Expansion Pack" on the front of the case. Unless of course you meant that for the price it should've been more and instead we get an expensive module!

Modifié par AutumnGhost, 20 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[spottyblanket]

It is only an expansion pack. It's more like...extra stuff than a sequel. So long as it wraps up the story...

[The Angry One]

It doesn't wrap up anything. The story in DA:O was already wrapped up.

Awakening extends the plot for it's own sake, and there's no reason to half ass it either way.

Why no companion convos? Why do half the male characters look like Mouse? (I see a PC character alteration mod in the near future. Made for free. By people who actually give a damn).

[newel_salet]

I have to agree with you there, however i would say the game has other flaws.



such as lenght, i finisished it in 2 days, on de hardest level without dying once! and I'm not talking about 2 times 24 hours but around 4 hours gametime. It's no challenge, there aren't very much new usefull weapons or weapon sets, and it's disapointing that old characters don't pop up in the story ( execpt two of them).



Then there are the ''bosses'' , shouldn't they be good? they were easier than some normal fights with common enemies. I used pinpoint striking + punisher etc. and they went down as marshmellows.



Great disapointment here!

[astrallite]

Bioware is flawless and beyond reproach. Stop crying.





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[Hyper Cutter]

Walina wrote...

I know some games which've expansions and seriously they even did the effort to carry on the romance so no you're wrong!

Hell, Bioware itself has done that in the past!

[dbkkk]

I agree that the story and characters were not as immersive as Origins. I also thought some of the side quests were inane considering the character's supposed status as the Hero of Ferelden. I also get why people fell upset that they purchased DLC items / WK spells and can't use them.



But for the record, the WK abilities get completely lost in the scheme of things with all the incredibly OP abilities and spells you get throughout the expansion. Also the items you end up getting in-game completely replace just about everything you get in Origins regardless of DLC.



Kind of reminds me of WoW when Burning Crusade (TBC) came out and blue items at level 75 were better than many of the purples you got in BWL. Boy the months you spent with your guildies wiping on Vael and ejoying the sights and sounds of the Suppression Room didn't seem worth it at that point.



And before someone chimes up with 'there is no good massive armor for AWs in Awakenings, I lost my WKA with +50 stamina / mana and I am not on a PC and can't use mods, I hate Bioware, they ruined my game' ... ummm ... you are so overpowered in Awakenings and the combat difficulty so simple you could wear any massive armor with no stats whatsoever and still obliterate the game.



I give the game 7/10 but I had no real bugs to speak of. I can see how people would be frustrated with some of the bug reports floating around out there though.

[Layn]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Better question is why does everyone but the Wardens look like they are starving to death. Human wise.

because theres war and not a lot of food?

so far, awakening is good, but there are many many things that disappoint me. basically all the stuff mentioned so far here.

origins felt like a ragtag crew of heroes that were becoming legends. awakenings is like one legendary hero (and a dwarf who apparently no one remembers and hardly remembers the time he spent with the hero) with some other guys solving all the minor to major problems of the people of that arling because everyone else there seems incompetent.

Modifié par Crrash, 20 mars 2010 - 12:32 .

[Pious_Augustus]

mrfoo1 wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

If Bioware was too lazy to bother to make a fix for or at least give us free DLC so we can redownload the items we purchased keyword there people, then what makes you think they will fix anything? Right now who in their right minds would download any new DLC from bioware when they showed us they cannot make good or right the errors of letting us buy somethng and then telling us they couldn't find a fix so they gave up and gave us a meh response.

They were too lazy to make another Romance option hell if there was can imagine it, clicking on the moon to start a convo or a boat? It's stupid.

The shops were cheaply done and all the new armor was not all that, 'pretty.'

DLC not being transfered doesn't need a fix, since it's not a bug. They stated this long before Awakening was ever released.

He's not wrong. Bioware changed from no DLC gear to okay you can have your DLC gear.

One day EA and Activision are going to realize that all posters like Pious_Augusutus want are transaction stores where they can buy whatever rediculous gear and items they want. And while the irony will be they still ****** and moan about having to pay for gear it's clear that designing game content is not as important as designing the next pretty set of items or being able to have a pretend romance with some pixalated version of a person.

I would pay for GOD Items or pay to have an editor to make GOD items or my own custom armor in game and be able to set the stats. Seriously. 

[ToJKa1]

Coik wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...With the outrage as is, it's not going away till Bioware fixes the many problems and does right by their customers

I've only been on these boards since November, but in that time I've seen DAO, ME2 and now DAO:A all decried as the worst video games ever made in the entire history of video games, complete wastes of money, proof positive that Bioware has sold out, and declarations that not only will people not buy anything from Bioware again, but they will disown and outcaste any members of their families who so much as look at a Bioware game in a shop.

And in a month, everyone will have forgotten about it and instead will be talking about how Bioware's next game will be the Antichrist of gaming.

You should've seen the Bethesda boards after Mothership Zeta was released, you'd honestly think that the the nuclear war had started or something. Anyway,  this applies to every game ever released, it's the worst thing ever, a sign that developer is selling out, a sign that PC gaming is dying, etc., etc...

Frankly, i think it offers more amusement than the game ever could

[JaegerBane]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Coik wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...With the outrage as is, it's not going away till Bioware fixes the many problems and does right by their customers

I've only been on these boards since November, but in that time I've seen DAO, ME2 and now DAO:A all decried as the worst video games ever made in the entire history of video games, complete wastes of money, proof positive that Bioware has sold out, and declarations that not only will people not buy anything from Bioware again, but they will disown and outcaste any members of their families who so much as look at a Bioware game in a shop.

And in a month, everyone will have forgotten about it and instead will be talking about how Bioware's next game will be the Antichrist of gaming.

You should've seen the Bethesda boards after Mothership Zeta was released, you'd honestly think that the the nuclear war had started or something. Anyway,  this applies to every game ever released, it's the worst thing ever, a sign that developer is selling out, a sign that PC gaming is dying, etc., etc...

Frankly, i think it offers more amusement than the game ever could

I'm inclined to agree. While it's rather funny watching a menagerie of nerdragers condemn games on the basis that they're missing a line of text or that it isn't Baldur's Gate or whatever, I do get slightly worried that the the sea of nonsense may drown out stuff that does need to be fixed. Half the issues people are having with DLCs, for instance, end up in threads overrun with random lunatics screaming that Bioware have sold out and how they didn't do this kind of thing back in the day.

[Sirsmirkalot]

Spyndel wrote...

It's a module, not an expansion.

It IS and expansion, else SOU and HOTU aren't expansion either.

The only thing wrong here is that you're demanding and expecting the same if not MORE from an expansion as you do from a full game.

Modifié par Sirsmirkalot, 20 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[Tissotti]

Awakening costed 29 euros and Origins a bit over 40 euros over here Finland(PC of course). I agree that there is things to improve, especially the fact that you can't talk to your companions and i think design in many places could have been better.

Thought i seriously can't believe that some people here are giving so much bad talk to this. Compared to expansions i have played this is great. This is a new game that's a bit shorter, compared to so many expansions that just add some stuff. This is second expansions i have ever bought because it felt it could actually offer more hours to play this great game.
I got a say i got huge respect for BioWare creating games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2. These both games single handedly brought me back to play games since the early 2000.

Modifié par Tissotti, 20 mars 2010 - 02:13 .

[Hyper Cutter]

Sirsmirkalot wrote...
The only thing wrong here is that you're demanding and expecting the same if not MORE from an expansion as you do from a full game.

You should if you're paying nearly the price of a full game for it, which you are...

[JaegerBane]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...
The only thing wrong here is that you're demanding and expecting the same if not MORE from an expansion as you do from a full game.

You should if you're paying nearly the price of a full game for it, which you are...

Not everyone is paying the price of a full game. Play.com charged me £14.99.

I can see the issue that some players with having to pay a larger than expected price.... but since Bioware don't decide the prices and it isn't a feature of the game, I'm not sure it makes sense to try and bring it in to a critique of the game.

I mean, if the disparity was something ridiculous like £100 or something, it makes sense to consider it. But the differences aren't *that* high. Us brits normally have to pay more for stuff all the time. Costs me twice what I'd pay in the US for a subway sandwich. Doesn't stop me from enjoying it.

[Pinkleaf]

It seems extremely rushed and doesn't give a fraction the immersion of Origins.

I really can't believe Bioware would have released this after the success of Origins, unless forced to by the publishers.

[Yrkoon]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

Yay.  Another canned cliche response from someone who didn't bother to read the OP.

Here, let me re-iterate the point so that even your "common sense" can grasp it. .    ALL of awakenings is a huge step down from  just the orzamar portion of Origins.


Amaranthine is a generic village with no character.    And speaking of Character....   You can't hold a converation with your companions anymore.     Someone had the bright idea to scrap the single best thing about Origins and replace it with some retarded LAZY system  that's actually  more than a step down from origins... it's a step down from neverwinter nights...  an 8 year old game!

  Combat has been dumbed down  enough to cater to the average 10 year old.   It's so easy now that one wonders why they even bothered with the new skills. 



Don't play us for fools.  We know what an expansion is.    Awakenings does not reach the quality level of any bioware expansion I've ever played.  It's half as long, and twice the price.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mars 2010 - 03:48 .

[JaegerBane]

dbkkk wrote...
And before someone chimes up with 'there is no good massive armor for AWs in Awakenings, I lost my WKA with +50 stamina / mana and I am not on a PC and can't use mods, I hate Bioware, they ruined my game' ... ummm ... you are so overpowered in Awakenings and the combat difficulty so simple you could wear any massive armor with no stats whatsoever and still obliterate the game.

No offence dbkkk, but your argument seems to be going down the path of:

'Stop whining about DLCs! You get better stuff in Awakening anyway!'

'Uh, no you don't - not for AWs anyway.'

'Um, well, you're OP so it doesn't matter!'....

It does matter. In the end, I liked my Warden Commander armour. There aren't any good replacements. The fact that my character may be OP is neither here nor there. He had some good gear, now he doesn't. No matter how you slice it, it isn't satisfactory.

Fortunately I'm on PC, so it doesn't matter. But not everyone is.

[chaosapiant]

The excuse that it's just "an expansion" is wearing thin. I can count many expansions that not only expanded on the original gameplay, but were better themselves than the original game. Starcraft Broodwar? Bioware's own Throne of Bhaal and Hordes of the Underdark? Neverwinter Nights 2's Mask of the Betrayer?



Don't get me wrong, I think Awakening was great, and the only problem is that I simply want more of it. That being said, being an expansion is no excuse for loss of quality.

[Yrkoon]

Pinkleaf wrote...

This is the trouble with a game like D A Origins. With it being a complete and absorbing story it's just not suited to DLC and add-ons, they are really a waste of time as they add very little if anything to the story.
 

I don't agree with that.   BG1 was a complete  absorbing story and a really long game  too.  But bioware still managed to put out an amazing expansion for it that fit  seamlessly, and was  worth every penny.

[Tinnic]

It did feel a little tacked on and a little... flat. Plus I kind of excepted more intrigue given that the Architect was involved. But the whole story left much to be desired.

In addition, I did not care for how the "getting to know your companions" thing was done. It was a little irritating and a bit hindering to progress in some cases.

Plus the combat was a walk in the part. Maybe "normal" difficulty was just not difficult enough. I don't know. I just think its unnatural to not feel the fact that your team is missing both a tank and a dedicated healer.

Don't get me wrong, It was fun game nonetheless. I just hope its not the model on which DA:O 2 is based.

Modifié par Tinnic, 20 mars 2010 - 04:00 .

[Yrkoon]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

It's an expansion. Not a sequel.

It's a module, not an expansion.

Wraps up the DA:O character decently enough tho.

Ha!


You mean it ressurects the DA:O character from the dead to give him  a second  opportunity to save the world.

  Yeah.  I wouldn't call that "wrapping up".  I'd call  it   UNwrapping

[Pinkleaf]

Yrkoon wrote...

I don't agree with that.   BG1 was a complete  absorbing story and a really long game  too.  But bioware still managed to put out an amazing expansion for it that fit  seamlessly, and was  worth every penny.

Maybe so, but they don't seemed to have had the same result this time.

All in all I guess Origins was a one-off success, never to be repeated, mainly due to the time necessary to add the complexity.

[Yrkoon]

AutumnGhost wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

It's an expansion. Not a sequel.

It's a module, not an expansion.

Really, that's why it says "Expansion Pack" on the front of the case.

  That's not a very good argument.  Game cases, like cereal boxes, are advertisements for the product contained within.    They are designed to sell the product as its sitting on the shelf.   As it is, , advertisements can be  opinions, exaggerations, and  even false

 It's very difficult to describe Awakenings as an  expansion pack in the traditional  sense.  An expansion, by definition, expands on the original.  Awakenings doesn't do that.      It leaves Origins completely un-expanded.  You cannot use awakening skills in Origins.     Other Awakening features, like the increased level cap,  are not applied in Origins. 

Module is indeed the best descriptor here.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mars 2010 - 04:22 .