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[alickar]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

[Blado123]

Yrkoon wrote...

mrfoo1 wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

It's an expansion. Not a sequel.

It's a module, not an expansion.

Wraps up the DA:O character decently enough tho.

Ha!


You mean it ressurects the DA:O character from the dead to give him  a second  opportunity to save the world.

  Yeah.  I wouldn't call that "wrapping up".  I'd call  it   UNwrapping

Then don't import that character. They aren't forcing you to.....

[Layn]

Blado123 wrote...

Then don't import that character. They aren't forcing you to.....

the thing is, if the people who did the US don't import that character, their decisions (like who rules Ferelden) are completely ignored and you get some standard story..

[TheMadCat]

alickar wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

Interesting, so you feel because it's an expansion it's impossible for it to maintain the same level of quality as the original which is to say very high, despite the fact countless other RPG expansions over the years have held a very high standard.

[alickar]

TheMadCat wrote...

alickar wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

Interesting, so you feel because it's an expansion it's impossible for it to maintain the same level of quality as the original which is to say very high, despite the fact countless other RPG expansions over the years have held a very high standard.

most compaines rush on expansions only one i see being a good one waz the oblivion expansion

[alickar]

alickar wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

alickar wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

Interesting, so you feel because it's an expansion it's impossible for it to maintain the same level of quality as the original which is to say very high, despite the fact countless other RPG expansions over the years have held a very high standard.

most compaines rush on expansions only one i see being a good one waz the oblivion expansion

so do not expect a game to be perfect

[VampireCommando]

I think that if your kept the old conversation system, but added the new one as well then everyone would be happy. It did seem a litle on the short side though

[alickar]

VampireCommando wrote...

I think that if your kept the old conversation system, but added the new one as well then everyone would be happy. It did seem a litle on the short side though

i agree

[Yrkoon]

alickar wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

alickar wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

Interesting, so you feel because it's an expansion it's impossible for it to maintain the same level of quality as the original which is to say very high, despite the fact countless other RPG expansions over the years have held a very high standard.

most compaines rush on expansions only one i see being a good one waz the oblivion expansion

Bioware has a unique history of putting out  expansions that are better than the original game they are expanding.

Both of Neverwinter Night 1's expansions blew the OC out of the water in terms of story, character depth, and replayability.    BG1's expansion  was  better than anything  in BG1.  (Durlag's Tower).

This is part of the reason why my criticism's of Awakenings is so harsh.  We're not dealing with  just any gaming company.  We're dealing with Bioware.    Awakenings is not par the course for them.    *something* must be seriously wrong behind the scenes.  And I'm not so sure EA deserves all the blame here...

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mars 2010 - 04:37 .

[TheMadCat]

alickar wrote...


most compaines rush on expansions only one i see being a good one waz the oblivion expansion
so do not expect a game to be perfect

I don't expect perfection from anything seeing as perfection is an unobtainable quality, but high quality is not perfection. And you haven't played many expansion if Shivering Isles is the only "good one" you've come across.

[alickar]

Yrkoon wrote...

alickar wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

alickar wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

Interesting, so you feel because it's an expansion it's impossible for it to maintain the same level of quality as the original which is to say very high, despite the fact countless other RPG expansions over the years have held a very high standard.

most compaines rush on expansions only one i see being a good one waz the oblivion expansion

Bioware has a unique history of putting out  expansions that are better than the original game they are expanding.

Both of Neverwinter Night 1's expansions blew the OC out of the water in terms of story, character depth, and replayability.    BG1's expansion  was  better than anything  in BG1.  (Durlag's Tower)

they must of put more effort in it then in my opinion i think this waz a good game not perfect tho aloot of bugz

[Layn]

alickar wrote...

most compaines rush on expansions only one i see being a good one waz the oblivion expansion

from those that i've played and remember right now:
throne of Bhaal
shadows of undrentide
Hordes of the underdark
NWN2 expansions supposedly are good too

[Yrkoon]

Blado123 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

mrfoo1 wrote...
Wraps up the DA:O character decently enough tho.

Ha!


You mean it ressurects the DA:O character from the dead to give him  a second  opportunity to save the world.

  Yeah.  I wouldn't call that "wrapping up".  I'd call  it   UNwrapping

Then don't import that character. They aren't forcing you to.....

Oh, One can certainly start a new character in Awakenings.  But then,    it could no longer be said that  Awakenings Wraps up the DA:O character decently....

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mars 2010 - 04:46 .

[ladydesire]

Yrkoon wrote...

It's very difficult to describe Awakenings as an  expansion pack in the traditional  sense.  An expansion, by definition, expands on the original.  Awakenings doesn't do that.      It leaves Origins completely un-expanded.  You cannot use awakening skills in Origins.   

Would they really be all that useful in Origins, since there is no real content past level 20, which is where most of them start?

Other Awakening features, like the increased level cap,  are not applied in Origins. 

Did the increased level cap in Neverwinter Nights affect the OC? I don't remember it applying to anything but the expansions or community content. The only way this might be useful is if there were a lot of new modules that enhanced the base game to the extent that levels higher than 25 were needed in Origins.

[Yrkoon]

ladydesire wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

It's very difficult to describe Awakenings as an  expansion pack in the traditional  sense.  An expansion, by definition, expands on the original.  Awakenings doesn't do that.      It leaves Origins completely un-expanded.  You cannot use awakening skills in Origins.   

Would they really be all that useful in Origins, since there is no real content past level 20, which is where most of them start?

I imagine they would.  At the very least   the usable skills and classes would breathe new life into  the familiar Origins encounters 

Did the increased level cap in Neverwinter Nights affect the OC?

It did indeed.  And not just the level cap.  ALL the new skills and classes  were usable in  OC.    I remember the first time I got to use  a Weaponmaster in NWN OC.  It was glorious.

THAT is what defines an expansion pack, btw.  If you don't  have that, then it's just a module by definition..  or an  "adventure pack" as they sometimes call it.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mars 2010 - 05:12 .

[TheMadCat]

Would they really be all that useful in Origins, since there is no real content past level 20, which is where most of them start?

The spells and talents, perhaps not. But I see no reason why the new skills, specializations, and a few of the design changes like stamina potions and respec tomes can't be implemented into DA:O. They really don't create much more of a balance issue then there already is and hell the more options the better, allows for a wider variety of builds and encourages added playthroughs.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 20 mars 2010 - 05:27 .

[Cell1e]

I too am left feeling disappointed with the lack of love put into this expansion. The format is there from origins, it works...this little expansion had some great ideas, a nice story but done in a lack lustre manner. This expansion had promise left unfulfilled. Lets see what could have been better..

* conversations any time(it seemed so rude to be brushed off when I stopped to have chat...hate that!)
* More stuff to do for keep, that was lovely idea and could have been expanded more as in NWN2
* even a little flirting would have been nice, especially with such sweet males around tempting us female wardens...
* nicer clothes (Lol, had to get that one in)
* more time on ending, instead of cutting it off and getting secretary to type up some ends for characters,
* less glitches, I had to restart my game with different character because cut scenes didnt play.
* was I the only one who couldnt figure out runes? Another glitch or maybe I am idiot..(hehe)
* Why did I have to work so hard to earn Oggies love? I was returning character, he was one of my pals from Origins.
*First character that I had to give up on was a mage and she was way too weak, must be my game style.


I did like
* new skills
*being able to use two swords instead of sword and dagger
* characters so sweet especially Anders, Nathaniel and Sigrun (I didnt get Mhaire for some reason but she was really nice)
* story was lovely
* loved the countryside environments and I liked the little village
* LOVED LOVED LOVED having own keep, with storage box, beats sleeping on ground!
* Loved those books you could buy to redistribute your points, great idea!
* missions nice, liked a lot the fade part, yay!

Modifié par Cell1e, 20 mars 2010 - 05:28 .

[arni3]

err...............what's so wrong in DAO AWK???

[billymanchild]

tbh, this expansion was a huge drop in production values over DA:O itself. The dwarven city (Kal'Hirol or w/e) was crash central for me. Animations were badly bugged (the ogre killing blow, on more than 1 occasion finding my character jumping the wrong way and driving his sword into thin air?), corpses continuing to melee swing passed death, corpses who only fall half way down, a really frustrating memory leak (longer you play, longer load screens take, lower your fps drops). On top of that, quests you cant hand in. They have the icon over their head, but you cant interact with the npc? Horrible.



This paired with no real character interaction, the inability to use what you paid for with the orginal DAO, and a very small storyline (anyone play NWN: hordes of the Underdark? that was an expansion too, and almost as long as the original with full character interaction, and if i recall, it was cheaper than this.). It's 30 euro for something barely bigger than the upcoming ME2 dlc. I cleared it in under 8hrs, my soldiers had silverite armor, ive given wade the materials for the golem plate and ancient dragon bone etc, ive done the whole orphan chain of quests and so on, I didn't skip over much.



All in all, the QA is lacking, content is weak compared to biowares other releases, even for an expansion.

[Dark Lilith]

did like
* new skills
*being able to use two swords instead of sword and dagger
* characters so sweet especially Anders, Nathaniel and Sigrun (I didnt get Mhaire for some reason but she was really nice)
* story was lovely
* loved the countryside environments and I liked the little village
* LOVED LOVED LOVED having own keep, with storage box, beats sleeping on ground!
* Loved those books you could buy to redistribute your points, great idea!
* missions nice, liked a lot the fade part, yay!

ditto!

[blacqout]

Some of the criticisms here are fair; i agree that it was disappointing to not be able to talk to most of the NPCs and i would also say that it lacked the epic feel of Origins... though this could be by design... after all, it is an epilogue.



Awakening wrapped things up nicely for me, and increased the length of the game by 18 hours. Aside from the lack of people to talk to, and the new way in which you got to know your companions, i was very happy with it.

[JaegerBane]

Yrkoon wrote...

It did indeed.  And not just the level cap.  ALL the new skills and classes  were usable in  OC.    I remember the first time I got to use  a Weaponmaster in NWN OC.  It was glorious.

THAT is what defines an expansion pack, btw.  If you don't  have that, then it's just a module by definition..  or an  "adventure pack" as they sometimes call it.

It's what you define as an expansion pack. It isn't the actual definition.

Relatively few expansion packs actually transfer all of their non-mission content over to the original campaign. I can't think of a single FPS or RTS xpack that allowed you to use units in the original campaign by default. Even RPG packs like MotB allowed you to only use new classes and spells, most of their epic stuff was too high a level for NWN2.

I'm with ladydesire on this for that reason. Practically all of the new content needs a level of character and stats that just aren't available in DA:O until near the end. It would be nice to have it, but realistically it wouldn't make much difference.

[Bryy_Miller]

TheMadCat wrote...

alickar wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Here's the reason why it's a huge step down from the original: it's not a full game, it is an expansion pack. Common sense, people.

i agree READ IT EXPANSION

Interesting, so you feel because it's an expansion it's impossible for it to maintain the same level of quality as the original

Yes.

despite the fact countless other RPG expansions over the years have held a very high standard.

Yes.

[TheMadCat]

So any chance you're going to enlighten me a bit on why you feel this is the case or am I just  out of luck today?

[AutumnGhost]

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

It's a module, not an expansion.

It IS and expansion, else SOU and HOTU aren't expansion either.

The only thing wrong here is that you're demanding and expecting the same if not MORE from an expansion as you do from a full game.

$10 less than the original, for ~1/4 of the playtime and ~1/4 content.  *shrug*