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[MassEffect762]

I'm about 2/3 through the game and now I'm reading the ending is weak, bummer.

Must have been a tight budget. So far, with my 2/3 experience I'd say it's "okay"(read mediocre).

Suggestion to bioware, make cameos worthy. Give explanation, add emotion, give them life(i.e. hug, big arse smiles, tight handshakes). Second, why are folks saying the ending suxs, thats basics, endings should never sux.(I'll have to see for myself)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 21 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[Dragon Age1103]

haha People get so ridiculous about this expansion it is just funny. The expansion is expanding on the story of the darkspawn not your character. The game isn't called Dragon Age: (please type in name here) It's called Origins & Awakening & they are about just that!

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it is very sad that some people let 1 or 2 little things ruin a fantastic expansion for them. I can't believe so many people constantly complain about companions but it is not shocking since human nature is usually not to prefer change.

The romance issue I could understand IF this was a new installment into the DA series but it is just an expansion so I still can't understand that at all. You still share a lot of great moments in Awakening.

Overall I was very skeptical as well about many aspects of Awakening but if you just stop being stubborn & close-minded then I think a very large majority of the Origins fan base will really enjoy Awakening & be happy with their purchase.

I can still agree that only certain parts of DLC carrying over is very ridiculous but hopefully they will patch it or a mod will add it in later.

Entire point being PLEASE stop ranting & complaining on the forums like children(that already got us ignored by Bioware once before) & actually try Awakening...complete it then form an opinion instead of reading others opinions & just ranting about things you don't like or THINK you don't like.

[TheMadCat]

People have tried Awakening, some people feel it's not worth the price, some people feel it's a mediocre game, some people feel it was a complete let down, some view the missing features as deal breakers, some view it as shoddy technical work. People are allowed different opinions and just because they do does not make them stubborn and close minded, no one should like a game for the sake of liking it. If you love the game great, if someone despises the game and feels Bioware sold out. So long as you've got your reasons and don't bask the oppositions opinions then it's all good.

[Karmianna]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

haha People get so ridiculous about this expansion it is just funny. The expansion is expanding on the story of the darkspawn not your character. The game isn't called Dragon Age: (please type in name here) It's called Origins & Awakening & they are about just that!
Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it is very sad that some people let 1 or 2 little things ruin a fantastic expansion for them. I can't believe so many people constantly complain about companions but it is not shocking since human nature is usually not to prefer change.
The romance issue I could understand IF this was a new installment into the DA series but it is just an expansion so I still can't understand that at all. You still share a lot of great moments in Awakening.
Overall I was very skeptical as well about many aspects of Awakening but if you just stop being stubborn & close-minded then I think a very large majority of the Origins fan base will really enjoy Awakening & be happy with their purchase.
I can still agree that only certain parts of DLC carrying over is very ridiculous but hopefully they will patch it or a mod will add it in later.
Entire point being PLEASE stop ranting & complaining on the forums like children(that already got us ignored by Bioware once before) & actually try Awakening...complete it then form an opinion instead of reading others opinions & just ranting about things you don't like or THINK you don't like.

I downloaded it on the 16th at 5 pm. I played 2 hours that night. I played again on  the 17th for  2 hours. I played less than 4 hours on the 18th and got the epilogue. Less than 8 hours with over 6 of that played in Hard mode.

This is a very weal expansion. Not worth the 40 dollar price tag. At best this is a 15 dollar DLC. 

[Layn]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

Overall I was very skeptical as well about many aspects of Awakening but if you just stop being stubborn & close-minded then I think a very large majority of the Origins fan base will really enjoy Awakening & be happy with their purchase.

it's not that i noticed one or two things i didn't like and decided i don't like awakening. It's just i know awakening is good, but it just doesn't pull me in. so i stopped and thought a bit why i'm not getting pulled in, and now i'm on these forums stating what made the game less engaging and how i'd prefer it to be.
Seems like a sensible and reasonable course of action to me.

[Karmianna]

TheMadCat wrote...

People have tried Awakening, some people feel it's not worth the price, some people feel it's a mediocre game, some people feel it was a complete let down, some view the missing features as deal breakers, some view it as shoddy technical work. People are allowed different opinions and just because they do does not make them stubborn and close minded, no one should like a game for the sake of liking it. If you love the game great, if someone despises the game and feels Bioware sold out. So long as you've got your reasons and don't bask the oppositions opinions then it's all good.

Your'e the Kitty!
Well said.

Modifié par Karmianna, 21 mars 2010 - 06:10 .

[stboisvert]

Personally after playing thru. it feels rushed and buggy. in certain cut scenes while a captain is talking to him there is a darkspan hacking away at him, no one seems to be aware of this.

The game crashed 3 times on me.

Sometimes people become join the grey wardens before you've actually asked them to.



Hiding behind the "its an expansion" ain't gonna cut it. its 40$, this is not 40$ worth.... Its not polished, the convos are missing lots of things are just odd. its as if they didn't play the game enough times and work out all the kinks... This feels like a Microsoft product where you need to wait for Service pack 1 before installing it.... Its not up to what I expect from bioware, and certainly not after Dragon Age Origins. I will not be buying first day again.....

[Karmianna]

Crrash wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

Overall I was very skeptical as well about many aspects of Awakening but if you just stop being stubborn & close-minded then I think a very large majority of the Origins fan base will really enjoy Awakening & be happy with their purchase.

it's not that i noticed one or two things i didn't like and decided i don't like awakening. It's just i know awakening is good, but it just doesn't pull me in. so i stopped and thought a bit why i'm not getting pulled in, and now i'm on these forums stating what made the game less engaging and how i'd prefer it to be.
Seems like a sensible and reasonable course of action to me.

Yes, it does. That what game forums are for. If we don't make our disappointments known they were certainly never be addressed. if Bioware doesn't know what a let down this expansion,module or whatever you want to call it is they will continue to make more like it. 

It is through discussion and sometimes even heated debate that improvements are made. 

[JaegerBane]

TheMadCat wrote...

People have tried Awakening, some people feel it's not worth the price, some people feel it's a mediocre game, some people feel it was a complete let down, some view the missing features as deal breakers, some view it as shoddy technical work. People are allowed different opinions and just because they do does not make them stubborn and close minded, no one should like a game for the sake of liking it. If you love the game great, if someone despises the game and feels Bioware sold out. So long as you've got your reasons and don't bask the oppositions opinions then it's all good.

People are allowed opinions, yes, but that doesn't mean they should expect anyone to take their opinions seriously if they aren't reasonable. If some lunatic comes up to me in the street and states that it is his opinion that the moon is made of green cheese because Marvin the MArtian told him so, the fact that it's his opinion doesn't stop it from being complete rubbish.

An extreme example, to be sure, but some of the reasonings on here have been along the lines of 'No-one talks about my dead warden did and my choices aren't seen! They've ruined the game!'. Realistically, is the absence of a few lines of text *really* that important?

People complaining about bugs, price, incompatibility of DLCs and whatnot have justification, as it interferes with their play. People who are complaining about pointless stuff that doesn't stop them playing the game they way they want are basically just shouting.

[TheMadCat]

People are allowed opinions, yes, but that doesn't mean they should
expect anyone to take their opinions seriously if they aren't
reasonable. If some lunatic comes up to me in the street and states
that it is his opinion that the moon is made of green cheese because
Marvin the MArtian told him so, the fact that it's his opinion doesn't
stop it from being complete rubbish.

An extreme example, to be
sure, but some of the reasonings on here have been along the lines of
'No-one talks about my dead warden did and my choices aren't seen!
They've ruined the game!'. Realistically, is the absence of a few lines
of text *really* that important?

I agree, except the majority of posts with complaints related to DA:A have been fairly civil and detailed and I've seen more extreme and troll type posts from those defending the game than those being critical. Hell I've seen quite a few people who were stauch defenders of DA:O upon release saying critical and negative things of Awakening. Sure there is trash talking and  spewing, there always is. I'm not defending those people I'm defending those making coherent posts and have valid complaints and issues with the game from people who say it should be given a break because it's an expansion and they should simply shut up and enjoy the game.

People complaining about bugs,
price, incompatibility of DLCs and whatnot have justification, as it
interferes with their play. People who are complaining about pointless
stuff that doesn't stop them playing the game they way they want are
basically just shouting.

What's pointless? Something pointless to you may be a key feature to another. At the end of the day enjoyment is subjective and if key components of one person to have such enjoyment are absent than why should they enjoy it? If someone enjoys the romance aspect of Bioware games and they view it's absence as a negative than it's a nagative, it may be limited to a small niche group but that doesn't take away the fact it's a reasonable negative. The same with the US ending, you may not care but others may. Because it's not one of your concerns does not invalidate as an issue.

[Layn]

JaegerBane wrote...

People are allowed opinions, yes, but that doesn't mean they should expect anyone to take their opinions seriously if they aren't reasonable. If some lunatic comes up to me in the street and states that it is his opinion that the moon is made of green cheese because Marvin the MArtian told him so, the fact that it's his opinion doesn't stop it from being complete rubbish.

dunno. we did listen to some kid saying that he's the son of god and look now! it's a major religion.

JaegerBane wrote...

An extreme example, to be sure, but some of the reasonings on here have been along the lines of 'No-one talks about my dead warden did and my choices aren't seen! They've ruined the game!'. Realistically, is the absence of a few lines of text *really* that important?

yes those few lines are very important, because, if you wouldn't dismiss our posts, you'd notice that it would make the game that much more enjoyable for quite a lot of people.

Modifié par Crrash, 21 mars 2010 - 06:31 .

[JaegerBane]

Crrash wrote...
yes those few lines are very important, because, if you wouldn't dismiss our posts, you'd notice that it would make the game that much more enjoyable for quite a lot of people.

They'd make it more enjoyable for some people, yes. I'm not talking about someone saying 'I'd prefer it if they did X'. I'm talking about people like that guy who posted the thread claiming that 25% of players can't play it because of the orlesian warden canon. Clearly, people *can* play it, just not with some extra details they wanted. That doesn't mean the game is ruined, they can't play, it's a step down, the sky is falling, the wet jigsaw puzzle and all that rubbish.

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Never have I been so please with myself that I resisted the urge to buy this and stuck to my guns and what I've said from the beginning.  I have seen VERY few people support this game, and even those that have defended it, have even said the game was too short.  While I will not berate anyone who purchased this, by all means if you have the money to shell out, then so be it.  But as I've said from the beginning, when I purchase an RPG, the game has to have length to it.  The age old argument always comes up about quality over quantity.  But realistically, for an RPG to be good, it needs length to flesh out the story, the characters, and to emerse the player in the game.  Anyone who bought this, if they are a long time RPG player should know this.  If you don't, then in my humble opinion, you have a lot to learn about what it means to be a good RPG.  BIOWARE can cover their asses any way they want with the "it's an expansion" all they want.  And the reason they have done that from the beginning is that they KNEW this game wasn't up to par.  They had their excuses made right from the start.  $40 is too much for an RPG based game with so little amout of substance.  And they can call it an "expansion" all they want, but it's supposed to be an RPG regardless, and obviously can't live up to the needs of an RPG when it's only 10 hours long.  I loved DA:O, but I'll gladly wait until DA:OA has gone down to a realistic price for its substance.  I brought out FFX a few weeks back and it's nicely filling the void from DA:O.  The amount of time you can spend in the 1 sidequest (monster arena) is more time than you spend in DA:OA.  Sad BIOWARE, sad.  This sounds right on par with KOTOR2.  Oh wait, you guys didn't do that.  Even though your name is on it.  Excuses.......

[Layn]

JaegerBane wrote...

Crrash wrote...
yes those few lines are very important, because, if you wouldn't dismiss our posts, you'd notice that it would make the game that much more enjoyable for quite a lot of people.

They'd make it more enjoyable for some people, yes. I'm not talking about someone saying 'I'd prefer it if they did X'. I'm talking about people like that guy who posted the thread claiming that 25% of players can't play it because of the orlesian warden canon. Clearly, people *can* play it, just not with some extra details they wanted. That doesn't mean the game is ruined, they can't play, it's a step down, the sky is falling, the wet jigsaw puzzle and all that rubbish.

it does ruin any character that did the ultimate sacrifice for the people who care about continuity. I'm really reluctant to make a character now that does the ultimate sacrifice and makes choices other than those assumed by the orlesian warden origin (oh btw. i wish they had made an actual origin for the orlesian warden character instead of throwing him/her right into the game, but oh well)
but i do think that person exaggerated a bit

@JKJEDIKNIGHT length is not something i'm complaining about. i've played 10 hours and the game tells me i'm at 12%. and i paid for this half of what i paid for origins (which was a collectors edition, but the extras there were lacking anyway. i paid for awakening 30€). it's just what i've encountered in those 10 hours hasn't enticed/engaged me.

Modifié par Crrash, 21 mars 2010 - 06:47 .

[jellmoo32]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...
haha People get so ridiculous about this expansion it is just funny. The expansion is expanding on the story of the darkspawn not your character. The game isn't called Dragon Age: (please type in name here) It's called Origins & Awakening & they are about just that!

Is it really all that silly to think that after finishing the game with the character I made and starting the expansion with the character I made, might, just might have something to do with the character I made? That the choices and decisions I made with that character would hold over? That the friends my character made, the romances he engaged in, what he decided to do at the end of Origins might be addressed? Even if only through a few lines of text? That he would mention his frickin dog at least once?

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it is very sad that some people let 1 or 2 little things ruin a fantastic expansion for them. I can't believe so many people constantly complain about companions but it is not shocking since human nature is usually not to prefer change.

One or two things? There is a long list of problems, ranging from the technical, to the story, to the utter ease of the game, to the lacklustre nature of the characters.

People complain about the companions because they are either: 1) Underdeveloped with no closure. 2) Your bestest best friend from the original game who no longer seems to like you. 3) A clone of Allistair.

I love Origins, and have defended the DLC stuff a lot when it got flack. This, however, is not a fantastic expansion. It is not even close to that.

The romance issue I could understand IF this was a new installment into the DA series but it is just an expansion so I still can't understand that at all. You still share a lot of great moments in Awakening.

What is their to understand? Some people wanted romance in it, regardless of the fact that it is an expansion. Being an expansion does not mean romance could not happen. Me, I would have been happ if my character's romance from the original was even mentioned. Once. at all. But alas, that was clearly too much to ask for.

Overall I was very skeptical as well about many aspects of Awakening but if you just stop being stubborn & close-minded then I think a very large majority of the Origins fan base will really enjoy Awakening & be happy with their purchase.

Sitting there and telling me to enjoy gruel does not make it enjoyable.

The game is flawed and horribly, horribly buggy. If you enjoyed it, more power to you. I'm glad you got your money's worth. Telling people that they are close-minded and stubborn because they don't agree with you is beyond arrogant.

I can still agree that only certain parts of DLC carrying over is very ridiculous but hopefully they will patch it or a mod will add it in later.

The baffling thing is why the stuff from 1 of the DLC works, but not the others...

Entire point being PLEASE stop ranting & complaining on the forums like children(that already got us ignored by Bioware once before) & actually try Awakening...complete it then form an opinion instead of reading others opinions & just ranting about things you don't like or THINK you don't like.

People are complaining because they did try Awakening. I plaed it through, and formed my opinion. There is a massive list of complaints. Many are naturally subjective, but a lot of them are not.

Ultimately people will speak with their money. I loved Origins and disliked Awakenings. I still love the Dragon Age franchise and world, and will continue to support it, even though I thought the expansion was mediocre at best. Other people may think differently. Telling people to shut up and like it accomplishes little.

[kezef88]

If you want a well made game with a long and nice story, then do not play new games cause older games like "baldur's gate", "morrowind" is alot better. Creating games is about making money not creating something really fun, if the game is shorter then the gamers will need more games = more money.

[Corvus Black]

awakening is the first bioware game i didnt like. and to think i paid $40 for this crappy expansion makes me a sad panda...

[captininsanoo]

the lack of not having the dog mixed with no explanation of its disappearance it just laziness and negligence. I would have even accepted a line or two in the begging saying the dog unfortunately ate a bunch of chocolate at a banquet and died. While kinda lame this would have worked for most people i feel and wouldn't have been difficult to do at all

[TJSolo]

kezef88 wrote...

If you want a well made game with a long and nice story, then do not play new games cause older games like "baldur's gate", "morrowind" is alot better. Creating games is about making money not creating something really fun, if the game is shorter then the gamers will need more games = more money.

I need to look up a new definition of games then. To me it always was games = fun, or at the very least games tried to be fun.
If games are not fun with a reasonable length; then the product is crap and does not promote the idea of buying more product from that maker.

[Yrkoon]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

haha People get so ridiculous about this expansion it is just funny. The expansion is expanding on the story of the darkspawn not your character. The game isn't called Dragon Age: (please type in name here) It's called Origins & Awakening & they are about just that! 

What are you talking about?

The game IS called Dragon Age: Awakenings.  And the game DOES allow you to import your  Dragon Age: Origins character, and it does make a clear  (albeit half-assed)  attempt to continue  that character's  main mission from DA:O.  And that being the case, NO.  The game is about expanding your character, not just the darkspawn.

Not that it matters.  the so-called "ridiculous" rants that  complainers like me are posting have very little to do with the  plot itself  (which I thought was rather good.)  It has to do with all the other things.  Like length, dialogue, game mechanics, bugs, various design decisions which amounted to downgrades from the quality of DA:O... not upgrades, which is what an expansion is designed to do

Modifié par Yrkoon, 21 mars 2010 - 10:36 .

[Dragon Age1103]

Yrkoon wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

haha People get so ridiculous about this expansion it is just funny. The expansion is expanding on the story of the darkspawn not your character. The game isn't called Dragon Age: (please type in name here) It's called Origins & Awakening & they are about just that! 

What are you talking about?

The game IS called Dragon Age: Awakenings.  And the game DOES allow you to import your  Dragon Age: Origins character, and it does make a clear  (albeit half-assed)  attempt to continue  that character's  main mission from DA:O.  And that being the case, NO.  The game is about expanding your character, not just the darkspawn.

Not that it matters.  the so-called "ridiculous" rants that  complainers like me are posting have very little to do with the  plot itself  (which I thought was rather good.)  It has to do with all the other things.  Like length, dialogue, game mechanics, bugs, various design decisions which amounted to downgrades from the quality of DA:O... not upgrades, which is what an expansion is designed to do

  That was all messed up let me start over. I was talking about people's childish complaints about companions not coming along in Awakening(not Awakenings, lol) & romancing not continuing or being mentioned. This is Awakening not Desperate Housewives if they want drama & romances go watch that show it seems to have plenty of both! lol Also this is an expansion about YOUR character & HIS/HER role in solving this new darkspawn mystery of why they haven't simply returned to the Deep Roads & ending the threat.
   Bioware needs actual helpful feedback not a bunch of childish rants & complaints. Last time everyone acted like a bunch of cry baby kids Bioware basically ignored us & even commented on our community's behavior. If you don't like an aspect then buy it for PC open the toolkit & change it but stop complaing b/c it doens't help anything(that isn't directed towards you but a large majoirty of the forums). "A Detailed Look at Awakening" I think that is  what I called my thread, there are only a handful like it which is sad b/c it contains details & comparisons, what I liked & why, what I didn't like & why which is the kind of feedback Bioware is looking for about the many changes they implemented into Awakening not people complaining about romances or compions from Origins. We found out about those 2 details weeks ago, get over it & help build feedback so the next game can be even better instead of all these complaints. 
   I have noticed a few more ppl speaking up about how great Awakening is since facts are a large majority of those who seem to not care for Awakening are people stuck on 1 or maybe at best 2 changes(usually minor) or length. WHat you put into the game is what you will get out of it!!!

  Only complaints from me that Bioware needs to look into are DLC, the many bugs found throughout the game, & the worlds smallest quick bar. I don't like it at all, I find the short limited quick bar annoying b/c I have to toss out things I do not want to toss out & my idiot character keeps leveling up! lol BUT i do this thing where i get over it since the pros heavily outweigh the cons. If they don't for you then the solution is simple, please shut up & stop playing!!!!

Modifié par Dragon Age1103, 21 mars 2010 - 11:15 .

[Yrkoon]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...
   Bioware needs actual helpful feedback not a bunch of childish rants & complaints.

No, I don't buy that.  In  matters of money and business  (which is the bottom  line here)   It's the squeeky wheel that gets the oil, not the smooth, quiet conformist that lodges a polite  suggestion.   How do you think we managed to get RTO's equipment to  import to Awakenings after Bioware  announced that it wouldn't?  Did we do it via  flowery constructive criticism?  No.  Instead,  dozens of angsty  'children'  like me ranted  and protested endlessly.  We made a loud and un-ignorable stink.   We threatened to never buy another DLC ever again.  And surprize, surprize.  A few weeks later, Bioware announced that  RTO equipment will be importable.

The fact is,  we're not  trying to sway a  diplomat  behind a desk.  We're trying to light a fire under the ass of a huge conglomorate -  a massive corporation.  One   that ever  only  acts when things get  dramatic enough for them to notice.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 21 mars 2010 - 11:46 .

[Zohrdan]

I'm most disappointed considering, that the NWN expansions were often better that the main game. I hoped that DA:O A would be atleast as good as the original story.

The Story and the basic idea behind the characters is good.

But the game is just unfinished... some parts of the game are at step 2 of 5 in BioWares developing processes like the dialogs spoken by MICRO SOFT SAM! instate of Voice Actors.

Many Quests are bugged actually I found atleast 1 bug in every quest that isn't a simple Board-Quest.

The game crashes constantly and some save games are unloadable

But I must say this is definitely the worst BioWare product I have brought since the expansion of Baldur's Gate 1 which was totally pointless and bugged.

(Still it's better than most games to be fair)

Modifié par Zohrdan, 21 mars 2010 - 11:56 .

[morel142]

It costs 40 dollars.



What we got was 15 dollars worth of content. End of discussion...



And the toolset support is pitiful.

[FredegarKadere]

I beat the expansion last night. I did not encounter any game breaking bugs or glitches other than the massive memory leak that occurs overtime with area loading.

It was an enjoyable adventure that may be worth the price when considered as a stand alone product. Compared to a shooter or most of the sandbox games you still have at least 4 additional hours of game play with superior interaction with your companions. Awakening only falls short when held up against the previous recent games released by Bioware and other big "RPG" makers. Compared to titles like the Fallout 3 DLCs, NWN2 XPs, or NWN1 XPs the additional price does not add up to what you get.

Whether this marks a change in philosophy by Bioware or it is a random letdown I do not know. If Bioware/EA wants to go more of the shooter route with high prices and zero longevity they are welcome to do so.

ME2 has been a great value with all the additional free DLC's being offered via Cerberus Network. Unfortunately, Awakenings will have me giving tougher scrutiny to the next Bioware product before I buy it. I don't buy most games in other genres for the reason mentioned in the paragraph above.