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[ace1221]

i dont get all the halo hate. halo 1/2/ and maybe 3 were good (halo peaked at 2)

ODST was highly overrated. when will bungie learn that i simply dont give a **** about new mombassa or anyone not named MC

in other news, bioshock

[Wrath of Bong]

svenus97 wrote...

For me it is MW2 and Oblivion, I mean... both are good games, but they are really overrated, Morrowind and COD4 were better in every aspect.

EDIT: Oh... how could I forget Halo ODST, a 60 dollars expansion pack, with maps from ANOTHER game, the game it self is a 4 hour campaign, and it hold 83 on MetaCritic. You could put a chicken in a box, label it HALO and it would sell like crazy and get 9+ reviews... and people complained about Awakening's price....

It's not about the price, it's when I appointed Anora as the queen in DA: Origins but that didn't carry over in Awakening. I'm soooo super ****** about this, I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF!!!


Sorry, just had to make fun of those guys.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 20 mars 2010 - 01:16 .

[MaaZeus]

Bioshock. Its so boringly average IMHO. Atmosphere is nice, I like the fifties style but no... I couldnt bring me to finish it.

I could say FFVII, while seriously good game, is overrated compared to true masterpieces like FFVI and Chrono Trigger, but what FF game is truly overrated is FFX. FFVIII is garbage and almost everyone knows this, but FFX is quite garbage too and yet there is a HUUUGE fanbase following and worshipping it. What the hell?
I have FFXIII coming soon, monday probaply. We'll see what the hate is about. It seems like this game is getting a LOT of hateful backlash. Might be interesting experience since last FF game I played was X and that some while ago.

*edit* Oh yeah, Halo serie too. Only played Halo 1 and I just dont get it. It was probaply big thing on consoles, having FPS there that actually works, but on PC gamers POV its way overrated to the point of annoyance.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 20 mars 2010 - 03:26 .

[Loerwyn]

Busomjack wrote...

World Of Warcraft simply demands too much out of the player. It is too time consuming and requires too much tedious grinding which becomes a chore very quickly.

Biggest problem I have with World of Warcraft is that I liked to play other games. In World of Warcraft though I have to live up to other people's demands and play on other people's time.

That sounds more like a job than a leisure activity.

I have to say I disagree with you, but I do see where you're coming from.
To me, World of Warcraft (for the most part) is no different to Baldur's Gate or any other large RPG. Levelling from 1-80 can take as short or as long as you like, you can visit as many zones as you want or as few, and you don't have to interact with other players. Getting from 1-80 won't take you as long as finishing Baldur's Gate 1, for example, unless you do abosolutely every non-dungeon/raid quest there is and so forth.

Grinding is only a problem if you're doing professions or some very old quests (Cataclysm is hopefully going to change this), but otherwise it tends not to feel too grindy unless you're playing for a ridiculous amount of time.

You're only bound by the playtime of others if you don't wish to raid or do Arena. I could log on at 8pm tonight, do a dungeon with some people and leave if I wanted. I've no requirements to log on right now, for example. Or I could go on, do a quick battleground, roleplay a bit and leave whenever I want. Do you have to live upto the demands of others? Yes and No. In later raids, yes. Everyone has to carry their weight, and a lot of guilds have requirements in your DPS/gearing so they can be sure that you will carry your weight in the raid. You don't raid to benefit yourself, you do it to progress. There's a minimum of performance needed for raids and some dungeons, and it can be really easy to reach that minimum.

If you're more into single player games then yes, WoW is overrated. If you're into MMOs, then it's not necessarily overrated. It's the most popular option that's paid-for, and I think it's well deserved.

Note: I've played WoW for two years and ramped my playtime down recently.

[MaaZeus]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

World Of Warcraft simply demands too much out of the player. It is too time consuming and requires too much tedious grinding which becomes a chore very quickly.

Biggest problem I have with World of Warcraft is that I liked to play other games. In World of Warcraft though I have to live up to other people's demands and play on other people's time.

That sounds more like a job than a leisure activity.

I have to say I disagree with you, but I do see where you're coming from.
To me, World of Warcraft (for the most part) is no different to Baldur's Gate or any other large RPG. Levelling from 1-80 can take as short or as long as you like, you can visit as many zones as you want or as few, and you don't have to interact with other players. Getting from 1-80 won't take you as long as finishing Baldur's Gate 1, for example, unless you do abosolutely every non-dungeon/raid quest there is and so forth.

Grinding is only a problem if you're doing professions or some very old quests (Cataclysm is hopefully going to change this), but otherwise it tends not to feel too grindy unless you're playing for a ridiculous amount of time.

You're only bound by the playtime of others if you don't wish to raid or do Arena. I could log on at 8pm tonight, do a dungeon with some people and leave if I wanted. I've no requirements to log on right now, for example. Or I could go on, do a quick battleground, roleplay a bit and leave whenever I want. Do you have to live upto the demands of others? Yes and No. In later raids, yes. Everyone has to carry their weight, and a lot of guilds have requirements in your DPS/gearing so they can be sure that you will carry your weight in the raid. You don't raid to benefit yourself, you do it to progress. There's a minimum of performance needed for raids and some dungeons, and it can be really easy to reach that minimum.

If you're more into single player games then yes, WoW is overrated. If you're into MMOs, then it's not necessarily overrated. It's the most popular option that's paid-for, and I think it's well deserved.

Note: I've played WoW for two years and ramped my playtime down recently.

This is ignorance speaking, but why I am not into MMORPGs is because lack of story and characters, or so I understood. I understand that each person has his own character which they "cosplay" as, and there is a world they are built on with clear canon history etc... (in this case, Warcraft lore) but there is still no overarching story with clear beginning and finale, but is just a serie of different quests which you get rewards from, no?

If this is so, then MMORPGs are most overrated games to me. This, for me, counts as completely pointless gaming, nothing evolves, no climaxes, no solutions, nothing exciting other than joy of playing a game... I enjoy games with clear beginning and end and have a BIG overarching story that moves forward like a good book, and where I can feel like I'm part of it and can affect (or atleast give me an illusion of it) how it all ends.

Correct me if I am wrong?

Modifié par MaaZeus, 20 mars 2010 - 04:58 .

[Borschtbeet]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

World Of Warcraft simply demands too much out of the player. It is too time consuming and requires too much tedious grinding which becomes a chore very quickly.

Biggest problem I have with World of Warcraft is that I liked to play other games. In World of Warcraft though I have to live up to other people's demands and play on other people's time.

That sounds more like a job than a leisure activity.

I have to say I disagree with you, but I do see where you're coming from.
To me, World of Warcraft (for the most part) is no different to Baldur's Gate or any other large RPG. Levelling from 1-80 can take as short or as long as you like, you can visit as many zones as you want or as few, and you don't have to interact with other players. Getting from 1-80 won't take you as long as finishing Baldur's Gate 1, for example, unless you do abosolutely every non-dungeon/raid quest there is and so forth.

Grinding is only a problem if you're doing professions or some very old quests (Cataclysm is hopefully going to change this), but otherwise it tends not to feel too grindy unless you're playing for a ridiculous amount of time.

You're only bound by the playtime of others if you don't wish to raid or do Arena. I could log on at 8pm tonight, do a dungeon with some people and leave if I wanted. I've no requirements to log on right now, for example. Or I could go on, do a quick battleground, roleplay a bit and leave whenever I want. Do you have to live upto the demands of others? Yes and No. In later raids, yes. Everyone has to carry their weight, and a lot of guilds have requirements in your DPS/gearing so they can be sure that you will carry your weight in the raid. You don't raid to benefit yourself, you do it to progress. There's a minimum of performance needed for raids and some dungeons, and it can be really easy to reach that minimum.

If you're more into single player games then yes, WoW is overrated. If you're into MMOs, then it's not necessarily overrated. It's the most popular option that's paid-for, and I think it's well deserved.

Note: I've played WoW for two years and ramped my playtime down recently.

The biggest difference between traditional RPGs like Baldur's gate and World of Warcraft is that Baldur's Gate actually ends and it is possible to see all of the game's content by yourself.  
That is not the case with World Of Warcraft.  If I want to see everything the game has to offer I have to find time and work accordingly with as many as 25 different people.  I have played World Of Warcraft and I can't tell you how annoying it was when I made time out of my schedule to run a 25 man raid only to find out that a couple idiots decided to ditch us.
This is why I don't like playing games on other people's time.  Gaming is a leisure activity and it's something I do on my time, not other people's time.
I realize there is battlegrounds too but if I want an online Fragfest I'll play a first person shooter.  At least there it's a test of skill and not a gear check.

[Loerwyn]

MaaZeus wrote...
This is ignorance speaking, but why I am not into MMORPGs is because lack of story and characters, or so I understood. I understand that each person has his own character which they "cosplay" as, and there is a world they are built on with clear canon history etc... (in this case, Warcraft lore) but there is still no overarching story with clear beginning and finale, but is just a serie of different quests which you get rewards from, no?

If this is so, then MMORPGs are most overrated games to me. This, for me, counts as completely pointless gaming, nothing evolves, no climaxes, no solutions, nothing exciting other than joy of playing a game... I enjoy games with clear beginning and end and have a BIG overarching story that moves forward like a good book, and where I can feel like I'm part of it and can affect (or atleast give me an illusion of it) how it all ends.

Correct me if I am wrong?

I, myself, am a roleplayer and hopefully that''ll help me answer.
There isn't a lack of story or characters, but everyone does have their own set of characters they play as. It depends what MMO you play as to what the story is, if there is one. World of Warcraft's got one but it's currently suffering from being dragged out over 5 years and two expansions, and Cataclysm will serve as the continuation of many of these threads of story. A lot of quests come as chains, and these chains (especially as you get closer to the end content of each zone/expansion area) tend to be quite story based and build up to the end of the expansion. For example, a lot of what happens in Icecrown builds upto the huge raid of Icecrown Citadel and that's *incredibly* story driven.

They can't add complete conclusions because the gameplay has to take presidence in these matters. WotLK is a lot better than the previous two expansions because of phasing usage, which effectively changes a zone for you as you progress through it. This technology is going to be used a lot more in Cataclysm and that's going to help Blizzard solve a lot of the problems with story progression. They just don't have the freedom of a single player game for you to seriously affect the world yourself, though.

[insochris]

Halo and Gears of War.



they're good for what they are, but i wouldn't call them "great".

[Fredvdp]

Wrath of Bong wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Final Fantasy XIII is lying here somewhere. Maybe I should check it out to see what all the hate is about.

Well, if you end up hating the game, not only will you hate it but you'll hate yourself. I know I did.

I've started playing it. So far I kinda enjoyed it but the combat is way too easy. I know it's supposed to be easy in the beginning but I only have one or two attacks per character so all fights are identical and it gets old pretty quick. I already hate one character, Vanille, with a passion. And who names their kid Hope anyway? The guy with the chicken is pretty cool though.

But I've just started so I'm not sure yet if I'll end up hating or loving it. It's a casual game, even more casual than Final Fantasy X, which isn't bad because I'm a casual gamer myself. It might be a bit too linear, though. Is it always just press forward, fight, watch cutscene, repeat? Why would people even call the game an RPG? There's no role playing whatsoever.

[Charsen]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Charsen wrote...

World of Warcraft

~6 million people in the world play it, sure... but ~20 million people in the world have the clap, doesn't mean it's any good, it just means it's easy.

Try ~12 million.
And it's not >that< easy.

....My point still stands. 

[addiction21]

Charsen wrote...


....My point still stands. 

And it is a silly point. It is pont that anyone who does not like something that many others enjoy uses. Just like movies, music, and books games come down to personal opinion. To each their own and all that.
But no matter how hard you try you can not deny what WoW did for the genre. I am no fan of MMO's but there is not a MMORPG before or after WoW's release that has even neared the number of subscirbers. THe only one to show a constant growth of long term subscribers would be EVE online.
Like it or not Blizzard once again made a enjoyable and addictive game that set a new standard for that genre.

DrathanGervaise wrote...

In a lot of ways though, I don't give two sh!ts if a games overrated.

If I want to play it, goddamnit I'm going to play it.

The acknowledgment of the hype is your fault.

Absolutely. Especially the hype part. The best recenct example I can think of is the Transformer movies. It is Michael Bay. If you expected anything more then purty explosions filmed by someone having a seizure with a handy cam... well thats your own damned fault.

Modifié par addiction21, 20 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[MerinTB]

There were other threads that did this already.

Here's one - http://social.biowar...index/1588739/1

I'll pull my answer from there:

Overrated: NWN (PC), Diablo 2 (PC), GTA series (XBOX), Splinter Cell
(XBOX)

Lastly to the OP - there are other FF XIII threads.  Including one you started that got locked because there are other FF XIII threads.  I'm glad you started this one without listing FF XIII, but every post since has been bashing it.  Makes me think you started the thread just as an excuse to go through this again.

In any event, don't be surprised if this gets locked as, again, it's a repeat thread.

Modifié par MerinTB, 20 mars 2010 - 09:40 .

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

There were other threads that did this already.

I may be wrong about this but, to mine eyes I think the OP just wanted to continue on with their tirade about Final Fantasy.

[MerinTB]

addiction21 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

There were other threads that did this already.

I may be wrong about this but, to mine eyes I think the OP just wanted to continue on with their tirade about Final Fantasy.

You quoted me before I edited my post to include the relevant thread link, and then the info about OP trying to create as many "bash FF XIII" threads as possible.

[VampireCommando]

The whole FF series

GALO . . I meant HALO ^^

bioshock 1&2

WOW

and more but i cant think off of the top of my head

[Grog415]

Crysis

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

You quoted me before I edited my post to include the relevant thread link, and then the info about OP trying to create as many "bash FF XIII" threads as possible.

So, does that mean I get a waffle?

To add something on topic. Modernwarfare 2, halo 2 (never played 3), and Bioshock 2. In moy opinion they are overrated.
MW2 where the hell did they spend all that money and time one? The single player is almost a cookie cutter replica of the first game. Down to "Im in a helicopter with a nuke going off" "I cant jump 2 feet" and the chase scene to quick time event at the end. The multiplayer is typical CoD stuff. Its a fun game but nothing more.
Halo 2. Ohhhh dual wielding.
Bioshock 2 is just a vein attempt to profit of the first ones success. Again fun game but not in the same league as the first.

[addiction21]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

This thread is overrated.

Pancakes are overrated.

[MaaZeus]

Grog415 wrote...

Crysis

Yes and no. As a game it was nothing special and everyone knows it, but it was pretty much one of the last PC games that truly pushed the computer to its limits in hardware, forcing technology to go forward and making real use of it. A true PC game.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 20 mars 2010 - 10:56 .

[Wrath of Bong]

Why close this thread? People are making good discussion about what they think is an overrated game. Just because you don't like people being disappointed by FFXIII, doesn't mean this thread should close down.

Fredvdp wrote...

But I've just started so I'm not sure yet if I'll end up hating or loving it. It's a casual game, even more casual than Final Fantasy X, which isn't bad because I'm a casual gamer myself. It might be a bit too linear, though. Is it always just press forward, fight, watch cutscene, repeat? Why would people even call the game an RPG? There's no role playing whatsoever.

The producer of FFXIII said that the game isn't even an RPG. He said " We wanted to create a new game, even a new genre." He blowing out of his ass, FFXIII is your typical JRPG, just not very good compared to some good JPGs in the past.

Enough about my disappointment of FFXIII, what other game I think is overrated? Halo. I remember playing Half-life for the first time and how amazed I was. I heard so many praises about Halo but found it puzzling, how this game be compared to HL. People excuse the weak single-player by saying it has a great multi-player. But I casually play MP so I don't care about it.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 20 mars 2010 - 10:57 .

[JRCHOharry]

Halo 3: ODST and Modern Warfare 2.