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[jimmyjoefro]

Halo is extremely overrated, online especially. Nothing better than unloading an entire clip into someone only to have them turn around and shoot you once with a pistol, which of course kills you. Jumping a mile in the air is cool, too. We have Halo to thank for everyone jumping all over the place when they're being shot at, no matter the game. It doesn't help, stop doing it, THIS ISN'T HALO! Oh, and the amount prepubescent idiots talking trash is even more annoying than on COD.  

Little Big Planet. zzzzzz
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Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 21 mars 2010 - 07:46 .

[Fredvdp]

I find it difficult to enjoy a Bethesda RPG. I quit playing Morrowind after and hour, I thought Fallout 3 was just very bad (and I even bought the GOTY edition). Oblivion was pretty good but the main quest sucked. The guild storylines are pretty good, though.

[Loerwyn]

MerinTB wrote...
Actually, can I add Morrowind to my list?

That game straight up bored the heck out of me and I tried multiple times to like it, too, after (for the most part) enjoying Daggerfall.
And I enjoyed Oblivion (more or less.)

Eh, Morrowind isn't overrate though - it's pretty low on the radar.  It has some pretty fervent fans, but it's not like Deus Ex or Planescape: Torment.<_<

I have to agree with this, although I did find Morrowind a tad overrated.
It's too open, it's too easy to balls up the main quest, the combat is terrible (I'M AIMING DOWN AND SLASHING BUT MY WEAPON! IT DOES NOTHING!) but I sort of like the visuals.
Never got far in it at all. Might try it again one day... Again.

[XOGHunter246]

Oblivion

[Varasin]

The entire Baldurs Gate series. Not because they weren't great games in their day, but because they are held up as some holy relic of RPG greatness. Bioware has since made games that are far and away better than BG, such as KoToR, ME2 series and DAO.

[EricXIII]

sims 3

[Grog415]

Crysis never challenged my graphics at all. I did not like the controls for the vehicles you had to drive to complete it.Really lame and not a lot you could do about it. But it was a visually exciting game to play.

[Chained_Creator]

Halo 2 and 3. The original Halo was and still is fun as hell on the pc.



CoD: MW2.



Bioshock. (Not fun to me. Just a dreary "[Ideology X] is evil and bad and we don't want it." piece of **** that I've seen way too many times.)

[Darth-Mandalore]

Varasin wrote...

The entire Baldurs Gate series. Not because they weren't great games in their day, but because they are held up as some holy relic of RPG greatness. Bioware has since made games that are far and away better than BG, such as KoToR, ME2 series and DAO.

That really depends on what you judge the game on, sure the visuals and gameplay mechanics are pretty dated now but then who really plays Bioware games because of their visuals and gameplay mechanics?

The reason the Baldurs Gate series is held in such high regard is because of its brilliant story and characters, this is why the Baldurs Gate series is considered the best among Bioware games, when somebody is talking about Bioware's great reputation for telling stories they are talking about the Baldurs Gate series.

While the game released by Bioware after Baldurs Gate are still good (not quite as good as the fans would have you believe however) they never quite live up to the greatness of the Baldurs Gate series.

[Varasin]

Darth-Mandalore wrote...

Varasin wrote...

The entire Baldurs Gate series. Not because they weren't great games in their day, but because they are held up as some holy relic of RPG greatness. Bioware has since made games that are far and away better than BG, such as KoToR, ME2 series and DAO.

That really depends on what you judge the game on, sure the visuals and gameplay mechanics are pretty dated now but then who really plays Bioware games because of their visuals and gameplay mechanics?

The reason the Baldurs Gate series is held in such high regard is because of its brilliant story and characters, this is why the Baldurs Gate series is considered the best among Bioware games, when somebody is talking about Bioware's great reputation for telling stories they are talking about the Baldurs Gate series.

While the game released by Bioware after Baldurs Gate are still good (not quite as good as the fans would have you believe however) they never quite live up to the greatness of the Baldurs Gate series.

Actually, I think all of those games are better than the BG series in just about every way, including the story and characters. Bioware games have only gotten better since the BG series.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Darth-Mandalore wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...
bioshock 1&2

Really? So I suppose it won all those awards for being meidcore then.
I wholeheartedly disagree, Bioshock changed the FPS genre.

Diddnt the Halo series win a whole heap of awards and score consistently high scores as well? Yet you lump Halo on the overrated pile (not that I dissagree with you, Halo's sequels were highly overrated) dispite it winning a heap of awards and yet say Bioshock is great because it won a heap of awards? Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

I have already posted on page 1 why Bioshock is overrated but you are going to have to explain your logic here because you dont make any sense, how did Bioshock change the FPS genre? If anything it was a FPS in its barest form and apart from adding a few plasmids the game did nothing to change the FPS genre.

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

I'll just pull the overrated games that I listed in the other thread.
Deus Ex

Now that is just a bunch of crap, if anything Deus Ex doesnt get the credit it is due. Deus Ex was released far ahead of its time, instead of having the player charge head first guns blazing like most FPS games released at the time Deus Ex forced the player to think about what he was doing and find other ways to approach the situation.

To this day I have not found a game that offers the same experience that Deus Ex offered, sure Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines tried to emulate the style but comparing Bloodlines to Deus Ex is like trying to compare offal to steak, Bloodlines was the poor mans Deus Ex. 

Halo was just Battlefront for Xbox teens. It didn't do anything particularly exciting and prduced one of the most annoying fanbases in history.
While Bioshock was a simplified version of SS2 it was so much more fun and it still stands today as one of the most engaging FPSes(including plot and atmosphere)

While I admit the plot and characters of Deus Ex were spot on, everything else was lacking specifically the combat and interface which drove me to frustration. It was unecessarily complicated.
Bloodlines on the other hadn is still one of my fav RPGs to this day and made even better with the unofficial patches.

[MerinTB]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Halo is extremely overrated, online especially. Nothing better than unloading an entire clip into someone only to have them turn around and shoot you once with a pistol, which of course kills you. Jumping a mile in the air is cool, too. We have Halo to thank for everyone jumping all over the place when they're being shot at, no matter the game. It doesn't help, stop doing it, THIS ISN'T HALO! Oh, and the amount prepubescent idiots talking trash is even more annoying than on COD. 

I really am not a FPS fan, so it pains me to do this but...

Halo didn't invent jumping around - it was the "national pastime" on Counterstrike a couple yeasr before Halo existed.  You know, Counterstrike, king of online multiplayer for nearly as long as Myst was the best selling game.
Jumping around like a jackrabbit DOES unfortunately helping in dodging - prior to the jumping what people did in multi-player FPS games was jam on the sprint key and scoot around backwards at ridiculous speeds.

So while you hate how people play in multiplayer, that doesn't change that Halo was an important game in the genre.  You can't judge whether a game is overrated or not based on the immaturity of people playing the game online - that's only a gauge of those players and their own issues and not the game itself.  What, you think somewhere in Halo is coding a signal that attracts social misfits and people suffering from Tourette's?Again, a genre I don't like - I'm not defending a personal interest here.  Just looking at historical facts.  Because you don't like something doesn't mean it did have an impact and have tons of its decendents emulating it.

[MerinTB]

No, that's it -



for "long past the game's prime fanatical fanbase" I'm adding:



Baldur's Gate 2 (a game I really do like)

Planescape: Torment

Deus Ex



Too many people bring up the latter two games as if they were the gospel on CRPGs and shoot down those who dare to even suggest they didn't play them. It's gotten very annoying.

[Seagloom]

This isn't directly in response to you, MerinTB. It seems like bashing BG2, PST, and now Deus Ex fans is becoming popular of late, and while everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm starting to tire of the implication that I'm some nostalgic old geezer for praising two of those games.

There was a time when Planescape: Torment had virtually no following, and Baldur's Gate 2 was considered very good, but just very good, and not the pinnacle of all things CRPG. I think part of the reason a cult following for those three games endures is that many players from back then have yet to experience a game they feel surpasses those. As well, every few years another game is admired in this same way. Ask players that never played Baldur's Gate 2 or Deus Ex what they believe are the best CRPGs ever, and I'm willing to bet many will answer with KotOR or Bloodlines instead. There are also quite a few that are already claiming Mass Effect and Dragon Age hold that lofty title. I know that after finishing Throne of Bhaal I assumed RPGs would only get better and better from there. That everything I liked about those games would be taken and improved upon. The reality of today's CRPGs is not exactly what my naïveté in those days assumed it would be.

Yes, I'm aware some of these players have been around since Fallout or further back still, and laud modern CRPGs because they genuinely feel games like Mass Effect are superior. However, in my experience lurking and posting in forums, that tends to be minority. At least among those players willing to post at forums, which I realize is a fraction of game owners.

Speaking for myself, I regard BG2 highly because no other game has surpassed it in my mind. Yes, BioWare has improved their storytelling and character interaction since then. However, until Dragon Age the length of their games had become increasingly shorter, and combat ever more simplistic and straightforward. Dragon Age was BioWare's first game since BG2 that offered tactical combat and lengthy play time; yet Dragon Age did not surpass BG2 for me because its combat is too simplistic. The breadth and depth of tactics is not as varied as those weapon talent clickies and spells imply, and the game's decidedly MMO approach to combat does not sit well with me either.

BioWare's other games were even worse in that regard. KotOR had terribly easy and simple combat if you understood the bare basics of D20 rules. Jade Empire and Mass Effect both have real time systems, and micromanaging companions was impossible in the former (not that there was a need to), and limited in the latter. They were also painfully short and came with a host of other flaws I will not review here to keep this post from getting even longer.

All BioWare's titles post Throne of Bhaal are missing some essential element that makes them deeply flawed to me. Of course BG2 was flawed as well. I'm not blind to that. It's just that none of these other games brought so many separate elements together in quite the same way. When the day comes that BioWare or another developer manages to accomplish that, I will point to their game instead of Baldur's Gate 2 whenever someone asks what I feel are the best CRPGs ever.

Planescape: Torment was hardly perfection. The reason I laud it is simple:. There is literally no other game like it in existence. Period. End of story. There has not been an RPG after Torment that focused so completely on telling a story and letting the player decide how to make their character act throughout it. PST plays like more of a visual "choose your own adventure" novel than a game at times. There is a good argument to be made for Fallout 1&2 being just as good in terms of role-playing, and most games easily trounce PST in the combat department, but PST still stands as a singularly unique achievement in my opinion.

There is no real analogue to Torment. It's kind of like what a JRPG would be, if you could actually dictate the choices protagonists in those games make. It tells a tight, cinematic story without taking complete control away from the player. It also discourages combat, which is something very few RPGs do. To reiterate, it is simply different, and that alone is enough for it to maintain cult status.

(If you read all that without losing interest, give yourself a treat from the snack jar. You earned it.)

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mars 2010 - 04:28 .

[kondel]

Counterstrike is the most overated game. Period.

[Panderfringe]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 mars 2010 - 04:45 .

[Goro234]

Halo 3:ODST, Darksydephil speaks the truth

[Seagloom]

Panderfringe wrote...

Seagloom wrote...



Planescape: Torment was hardly perfection. The reason I laud it is simple:. There is literally no other game like it in existence. Period.

That's why I also laud the Holocaust: there was nothing else like it in histry. Sure, there were other genocides, but none that achieved quite the same.

I would have added that I enjoyed Planescape: Torment for more than its uniqueness, but I thought that was obvious in my defending the game to begin with. That's alright though. I can't expect everyone to understand my point. Your hyperbolic sarcasm leaves something to be desired by the way. At least at some place like RPG Codex or Obsidan I might have laughed at a similar attempt.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mars 2010 - 04:53 .

[Panderfringe]

Seagloom wrote...

Panderfringe wrote...

Seagloom wrote...



Planescape: Torment was hardly perfection. The reason I laud it is simple:. There is literally no other game like it in existence. Period.

That's why I also laud the Holocaust: there was nothing else like it in histry. Sure, there were other genocides, but none that achieved quite the same.

I would have added that I enjoyed Planescape: Torment for me than the fact it was unique, but I thought that was obvious in my defending the game to begin with. That's alright though. I can't expect everyone to understand my point. Your hyperbolic sarcasm leaves something to be desired by the way. At least at some place like RPG Codex I might have laughed at such a response.

I am just not sure how something being unique makes it good. I was bored to tears by Torment, and now it serves as a coaster for my fancy drink parties.

[HTTP 404]

the fable games! great ideas but sooo disappointing

[Seagloom]

Panderfringe wrote...

I am just not sure how something being unique makes it good. I was bored to tears by Torment, and now it serves as a coaster for my fancy drink parties.

Well, I wasn't really focusing on what made the game good to begin with. I implied that I enjoyed Torment, but the focus of those paragraphs was sharing one hypothesis on why I thought a cult following clings to it. Plenty of people find Torment boring. They did back then too. That's why it was a commercial failure. I think if other RPGs along similar lines came out Torment wouldn't be looked on as fondly.

As much positive attention as Baldur's Gate 2 gets, its following isn't nearly as fanatical as some PST and Fallout fans, and I think part of that comes from the existence of games like Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age at least trying to cater to them.

Edit: In retrospect, I made a mistake using the word laud and with that line and not explaining why else I liked it. I realize that after reading jynthor's post. Somehow I mentally combined two thoughts into that sentence, and didn't think to seperate them and elaborate. I moved on from that thought and kept writing away. My college lit professor would be bemused to find I *still* make that mistake. Bleh.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mars 2010 - 05:30 .

[jimmyjoefro]

MerinTB wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Halo is extremely overrated, online especially. Nothing better than unloading an entire clip into someone only to have them turn around and shoot you once with a pistol, which of course kills you. Jumping a mile in the air is cool, too. We have Halo to thank for everyone jumping all over the place when they're being shot at, no matter the game. It doesn't help, stop doing it, THIS ISN'T HALO! Oh, and the amount prepubescent idiots talking trash is even more annoying than on COD. 

I really am not a FPS fan, so it pains me to do this but...

Halo didn't invent jumping around - it was the "national pastime" on Counterstrike a couple yeasr before Halo existed.  You know, Counterstrike, king of online multiplayer for nearly as long as Myst was the best selling game.
Jumping around like a jackrabbit DOES unfortunately helping in dodging - prior to the jumping what people did in multi-player FPS games was jam on the sprint key and scoot around backwards at ridiculous speeds.

So while you hate how people play in multiplayer, that doesn't change that Halo was an important game in the genre.  You can't judge whether a game is overrated or not based on the immaturity of people playing the game online - that's only a gauge of those players and their own issues and not the game itself.  What, you think somewhere in Halo is coding a signal that attracts social misfits and people suffering from Tourette's?Again, a genre I don't like - I'm not defending a personal interest here.  Just looking at historical facts.  Because you don't like something doesn't mean it did have an impact and have tons of its decendents emulating it.

Unfortunately, there's an extremely large amount of gamers, especially those in the 22 to 17 y/o range, playing online today that developed their online "skills" playing Halo 2.  They were like 8 years old when Counter Strike ruled the scene, so your reasoning doesn't add up for anyone born after 1985.  They played Halo 2, learned to jump around, and now do it in all the other games they play.  And jumping around doesn't work if they're not playing with noobs.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 21 mars 2010 - 06:28 .

[sarx8172]

I actually played Oblivion for several hundred hours...longevity due to the massive overload of mods available for it. Original game is boring, yes, but with mods? It's f***ing exhilarating.

MW2 definitely, although I did borrow it from a friend just to do a quick run through the campaign so I'd be on the same page with my friends when I shot them down for liking it.

WoW - Unbelievably addicting, but not fun. At all. Unless you get on a friend's uber account and just run around raping people in PvP. Then it's fun.

[jimmyjoefro]

I don't get the hate for Oblivion. It's easily one of my favorite games, only behind ME. The scenery is beautiful. I've spent hours just roaming around killing random beasts, finding hidden caverns and caves and little villages. Maybe you need to find enjoyment in adventure to enjoy it.