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[CmdrFenix83]

xDarkicex wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

If you would give back food you have never been with out food...

I had that DLC and I am pretty sure you had to have the Horse armor DLC installed to use the community mod... not sure though both where free so it doesn't really matter

No, I've never been poor enough to go without food.  Then again, I know how to handle money.

Yes because you know how to handle money:innocent:
has nothing to do with being born with an economic advantage, you could have easily been born a starving native of a 3rd world country or in to a dirt poor family.
and if you would throw away perfectly good bread you don't know how to manage money as well as you would like us to believe you do with that pompous attitude.

Hey, I'm sorry if you're poor enough that two slices of bread is considered a meal to you.  If this is the case, then you *clearly* need the bread more than I do.  I don't throw away perfectly good bread, I make something with it.  However, I have zero reason to accept such a thing from someone.  This is like leaving a penny for a tip at a restaurant.  It's insulting.  And no, I couldn't have easily been born in those situations.  I have two parents, their situation wouldn't have changed.  I couldn't be in any other situation, born from other parents, because I wouldn't be me.

[RiouHotaru]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Did anyone take into account the possibility that these missions are a test run, perhaps? They can pour over these missions time and time again, but the BEST way to get feedback is from their consumers. These missions, however short, give us a chance to test the controls, the feel, the handling. Which then gives Bioware feedback which they can use to make better missions, or to even make the Hammerhead a permanent feature in ME3.

Have a bit more faith guys.

Isn't that why they have game testers?

And that's what we are, game testers.  I mean c'mon, we're getting it for free.

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eternalnightmare13 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Did anyone take into account the possibility that these missions are a test run, perhaps? They can pour over these missions time and time again, but the BEST way to get feedback is from their consumers. These missions, however short, give us a chance to test the controls, the feel, the handling. Which then gives Bioware feedback which they can use to make better missions, or to even make the Hammerhead a permanent feature in ME3.

Have a bit more faith guys.

Isn't that why they have game testers?

Even so, what part of non-linear longer missions is so hard to understand, it's a bloody vehicle, you need some room to get the feeling of it, if the terrain was more diverse, the Mako missions would have be waaaayyyy better than this.

[TJSolo]

gmartin40 wrote...

First of all, it's free. Secondly, this is probably a "trial-run" to see how people respond to the Hammerhead and what people will want to see in future missions because I am pretty sure BW will come out with future missions for the Hammerhead.

"trial-run"? Do you mean demo? I can get demos for free all the time.
As part of the $15 Cerberus Network I expect content a few notches about a demo.
4 missions that run 3 minutes, please.
It is just a trial and basic install before they do the real content that will be pay2play.

That is not keeping ME2 fresh to me. It is creating an environment of content that feels half assed and incomplete.

[exxxed]

gmartin40 wrote...

It's free though. It's not like you paid thousands of dollars for it. 

What's with all this "it's free" crap? It should have been in the game before it was released, of course it's free (On the PC version there is a key binding section for a bloody vehicle).

[JKoopman]

gmartin40 wrote...

First of all, it's free. Secondly, this is probably a "trial-run" to see how people respond to the Hammerhead and what people will want to see in future missions because I am pretty sure BW will come out with future missions for the Hammerhead.

I think pretty much all of ME2 was a "trial run", but that's a whole 'nother thread.

The problem with the "trial" argument is that you don't make your paying custumers beta test your games for you (while the Firewalker pack is free to everyone with the Cerberus Network, the Network itself is not free to everyone and the content we've been seeing so far is certainly not worth the price of admission for those who bought ME2 after-market). And regardless of pricing considerations, testing the controls and functionality of the Hammerhead is something that should be covered by focus groups and paid game testers, not the end user.

[TJSolo]

gmartin40 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

First of all, it's free. Secondly, this is probably a "trial-run" to see how people respond to the Hammerhead and what people will want to see in future missions because I am pretty sure BW will come out with future missions for the Hammerhead.

"trial-run"? Do you mean demo? I can get demos for free all the time.
As part of the $15 Cerberus Network I expect content a few notches about a demo.
4 missions that run 3 minutes, please.
It is just a trial and basic install before they do the real content that will be pay2play.

That is not keeping ME2 fresh to me. It is creating an environment of content that feels half assed and incomplete.

It's free though. It's not like you paid thousands of dollars for it.

Because it is free for new buyers of ME2 until 2011 does not make it free for everyone.
Also being free doesn't make 3min demo missions feel any more complete.

[Canned Bullets]

Hopefully there's more missions for it, and is it just me or is it that there's no sound in the video? My speakers are on. And they better use the Hammerhead for ME3 exploration, better than the Mako.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 20 mars 2010 - 06:32 .

[Ragnadaam]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Hopefully there's more missions for it, and is it just me or is it that there's no sound in the video? My speakers are on. And they better use the Hammerhead for ME3 exploration, better than the Mako.

I'm certain it was confirmed to only have 5 missions,3 of which are 3-4 minutes,and involve mindless go from point a to b to be actions <_<.Any extra mission may be in paid form,I could see this as only a test to get feedback while they wait to add more lvl that were meant for the game originally or newly created.Also it's the video fault for no sound,I believe the uploader said his it was because of his capture card or something to that degee.He does have 1 video with sound but there's backround noise as I believe it was taken with a camcorder.

Fun fact,the uploader also has the new outfit dlc,,,doesn't look too appealing.

[Tasker]

To all those saying "But it's free."


If I were to crap in a plastic bag and then give it to you, you'd be ok with that? 

Because you know, afterall it's free.

[JKoopman]

gmartin40 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

First of all, it's free. Secondly, this is probably a "trial-run" to see how people respond to the Hammerhead and what people will want to see in future missions because I am pretty sure BW will come out with future missions for the Hammerhead.

"trial-run"? Do you mean demo? I can get demos for free all the time.
As part of the $15 Cerberus Network I expect content a few notches about a demo.
4 missions that run 3 minutes, please.
It is just a trial and basic install before they do the real content that will be pay2play.

That is not keeping ME2 fresh to me. It is creating an environment of content that feels half assed and incomplete.

It's free though. It's not like you paid thousands of dollars for it.

Because it is free for new buyers of ME2 until 2011 does not make it free for everyone.
Also being free doesn't make 3min demo missions feel any more complete.

The only people it shouldn't be free for are the people who torrented the game and 2011 is a long time away. I'm sure anyone who doesn't have it now will have it during the holiday of 2010.

What about the people who bought the game used? Or what about siblings/spouses who want to play ME2 on seperate gamertags and therefor have to buy a separate Network account? Yes, clearly the only people who have to pay for the Cerberus Network are filthy pirates...

And 2011 is only 9 months away. That's not very long at all, especially considering that there are people who are still buying new copies of ME1 after 2 1/2 years.

Quit trying to defend a clearly flawed argument. You'd have a better chance holding water in a sieve.

Modifié par JKoopman, 20 mars 2010 - 07:25 .

[jgordon11]

Orkboy wrote...

To all those saying "But it's free."


If I were to crap in a plastic bag and then give it to you, you'd be ok with that? 

Because you know, afterall it's free.

Ok then don't download it...  Also your definitely right they shouldnt have even done it in the first place the bastards.

I do have a suspicion that you will anyways, so stop complaining.  Also its more like someone gives you a cookie, its ok i do like cookies, but its not going to change my life in any way except for that minute when i eat it ill be midly satisfied so in the end its worth it.

finally:  this DLC in no way affects you in a negative light in fact it only adds some more content to the game which is a good thing (unlike a bag of crap).  So just because you expected more from the DLC doesn't give you any reason to be angry.  Its like you get 10 dollars given to you even though you were expecting 100 dollars.  You're still getting free money and even though you may be dissappointed you shouldn't be actually upset and definitely not angry.

Modifié par jgordon11, 20 mars 2010 - 07:26 .

[jgordon11]

JKoopman wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

First of all, it's free. Secondly, this is probably a "trial-run" to see how people respond to the Hammerhead and what people will want to see in future missions because I am pretty sure BW will come out with future missions for the Hammerhead.

"trial-run"? Do you mean demo? I can get demos for free all the time.
As part of the $15 Cerberus Network I expect content a few notches about a demo.
4 missions that run 3 minutes, please.
It is just a trial and basic install before they do the real content that will be pay2play.

That is not keeping ME2 fresh to me. It is creating an environment of content that feels half assed and incomplete.

It's free though. It's not like you paid thousands of dollars for it.

Because it is free for new buyers of ME2 until 2011 does not make it free for everyone.
Also being free doesn't make 3min demo missions feel any more complete.

The only people it shouldn't be free for are the people who torrented the game and 2011 is a long time away. I'm sure anyone who doesn't have it now will have it during the holiday of 2010.

What about the people who bought the game used? Or what about siblings/spouses who want to play ME2 on seperate gamertags and therefor have to buy a separate Network account? Yes, clearly the only people who have to pay for the Cerberus Network are filthy pirates...

And 2011 is only 9 months away. That's not very long at all, especially considering that there are people who are still buying new copies of ME1 after 2 1/2 years.

Quit trying to defend a clearly flawed argument. You'd have a better chance holding water in a sieve.

Bioware trying to sell of its product by creating incentives to buy the game new, the greedy bastards. 

Also its a single player game with no online why would the siblings even care about playing it on their own gamertags?

[TJSolo]

It is not an incentive to buy new...

It is a punishment for buying used or in the case of the expiring CN code buying late.



The same reason anyone that has multiple players on one console. To have their own saves, account, and to limit access.

[jgordon11]

TJSolo wrote...

It is not an incentive to buy new...
It is a punishment for buying used or in the case of the expiring CN code buying late.

The same reason anyone that has multiple players on one console. To have their own saves, account, and to limit access.

Uhh im pretty sure it is an incentive to buy new considering buying used means you don't get the CN code unlike buying it new you do.  I'm pretty sure thats an incentive.  Not to mention that punishment for buying used is STILL an incentive for buying new...


Yeah but is having your own saves and stuff really worth 15$?  For most people its not.

[Ragnadaam]

jgordon11 wrote...

Bioware influenced by EA trying to sell of its product by creating incentives to buy the game new, the greedy bastards. 

Also its a single player game with no online why would the siblings even care about playing it on their own gamertags?

Fixed the bold for ya brah,*cough* project Ten dollars *cough*.Sometime later in the year(or next year) someone may just be buying a console or are upgrading Pc's to handle the game,there may not be any new copies available for that person at stores near them.Also if I'm not mistaken Cerberus network expires next year and I'm not sure what happens then late buyers could just be forced to pay for it then.Besides it's just a way for EA to punish used sale and uninformed buyers.No where on the box for ME2 does it say the C Network is available only to new users,only that you get it when you buy the game

As for siblings they might want achievements for the 360 version,their are some people out there who take Gamerscore way too seriously afterall.

As for the Hammerhead,I'll download it but from what I've seen the Mako looks better :/.3 minute missions in 1 time only detailed enviroments aren't something I feel bioware should waste time on but that's just the opinion of one gamer on teh forums .

Modifié par Ragnadaam, 20 mars 2010 - 07:54 .

[Collider]

You can argue it's in an incentive or a punish or both. Either way it was smart of Bioware/EA in order to make more profits.

[exxxed]

Ragnadaam wrote...

As for the Hammerhead,I'll download it but from what I've seen the Mako looks better :/.3 minute missions in 1 time only detailed enviroments aren't something I feel bioware should waste time on but that's just the opinion of one gamer on teh forums .

+1

Not quite, i'm with ya broa!

[TJSolo]

Pre-order DLC is an incentive to buy new.

Extras packed into the case like posters, cards, or gum is an incentive to buy new.



The Cerberus Network is a punishment for those that buy used. Just because CN happens to benefit new game purchases that is not its actual intent.



http://www.tomsguide...,news-5797.html



People that use personal gamer tags have been in place way before CN but because of how CN functions they are treated like akin to used buyers or pirates even though they have access to ME2 via a new purchase.



Apparently for the players that have been using there own gamer tags for years it seems necessary to keep their data separate from whomever else gets on that console.

Are you advocating players changing their gaming habits just to accommodate CN?

[lsumd2011]

Eh, the Firewalker Pack is probably just a test drive for the Hammerhead anyhow. Odds are that depending on whether we want more of it or not will make of break its existence in future updates. And even if that's not the case, its still 30 min of shooting stuff in a hover tank, for free. As such, I'm not complaining.

[jgordon11]

TJSolo wrote...

Pre-order DLC is an incentive to buy new.
Extras packed into the case like posters, cards, or gum is an incentive to buy new.

The Cerberus Network is a punishment for those that buy used. Just because CN happens to benefit new game purchases that is not its actual intent.

http://www.tomsguide...,news-5797.html

People that use personal gamer tags have been in place way before CN but because of how CN functions they are treated like akin to used buyers or pirates even though they have access to ME2 via a new purchase.

Apparently for the players that have been using there own gamer tags for years it seems necessary to keep their data separate from whomever else gets on that console.
Are you advocating players changing their gaming habits just to accommodate CN?

Well its either that or pay the extra money so if they don't want to pay the extra money then yes?

Also people regardless of what EA does to get its profit those profits (contrary to popular belief) get revinested in the company to generate more profit in the future.  CN was clearly made to decrease used game sales/ gather some revenue from used game sales (which for a single player game with no online or multiplayer modes could significantly hurt revenue generated).  This way informed gamers who might have just waited to play it used would buy it new instead.  Regardless it helps generate revenue for EA/bioware which leads to profit and where that profit goes back into the company (contrary to popular belief not in the pockets of CEO's with huge bonuses) so that they can continue making better games.  Its normal buisness practice.  I seriously don't understand why people hate corporations so much (most of it is undeserving some not so much) considering all the welfare they generate for people.   Also I know everybody thinks EA is some super greedy corporation, but maybe you should actually consider that their 5 year average net profit margin (after taxes) is -4.3%.  (That is coming from Forbes btw)

[TJSolo]

EA posting a loss is not the same as them losing money.

If EA was financially in trouble shelling out 860 million for Bioware would have been a terrible idea. The situation EA has put themselves in is their own fault; an accumulation of corporate greed and having too much focus on game marketing then game making.

As a consumer I have no interest in the well being of a corporate entity that shows no consideration for its customer base.



Back on gamer tags, that just proves it is a punishment for not buying the game brand new with in a given time frame. CN is not meant to be an incentive and it is used as a deterrent.