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[greekmonkey95]

dragon age in general! what did that card in the dragon age awakening (the one with the 02.01.11) mean? is that the release date for dragonage 2?

[Kaiser Shepard]

To Orson Scott Card:

Do you believe that writing the Empire duet, which was made with establishing a setting for the game "Shadow Complex" in mind, has somehow contributed to your work on the Dragon Age comic? If so, how?

[Melestia]

MattWoody01 wrote...

If you truly are "tolerant" than you tolerate someone else's opinion becuase that's what it means to be tolerant. Calling a person ignorant because they hold a belief that you don't agree with is intolerant. Why should you, the intolerant, tolerate his ignorance (I don't think "ignorancy" is actually a word), because you don't want to be seen as a hypocrite.

Being tolerant does not mean you cannot disagree with someone's opinion, especially when you have good reason.  No one here is saying Card should have his freedom of speech removed.  However, he is advocating having/keeping (depending on state) civil rights removed from gays.  That is most certainly bigotry no matter how you look at it.  The ignorant things he spouts are nothing but hate- and fear-mongering, with no basis in reality, reason, or fact.

MattWoody01 wrote...
By the by, there have been a number of studies indicating that, while not true in all cases, homosexuality has been linked to a history of abuse and molestation in childhood. Notice the qualifier.

No, there haven't.  In fact, all studies so far from APA or other peer-reviewed sources have said the opposite:  there is no connection.

[NinjaCoopa]

Ender's Game rules!

[MattWoody01]

Melestia wrote...

MattWoody01 wrote...

If you truly are "tolerant" than you tolerate someone else's opinion becuase that's what it means to be tolerant. Calling a person ignorant because they hold a belief that you don't agree with is intolerant. Why should you, the intolerant, tolerate his ignorance (I don't think "ignorancy" is actually a word), because you don't want to be seen as a hypocrite.

Being tolerant does not mean you cannot disagree with someone's opinion, especially when you have good reason.  No one here is saying Card should have his freedom of speech removed.  However, he is advocating having/keeping (depending on state) civil rights removed from gays.  That is most certainly bigotry no matter how you look at it.  The ignorant things he spouts are nothing but hate- and fear-mongering, with no basis in reality, reason, or fact.

MattWoody01 wrote...
By the by, there have been a number of studies indicating that, while not true in all cases, homosexuality has been linked to a history of abuse and molestation in childhood. Notice the qualifier.

No, there haven't.  In fact, all studies so far from APA or other peer-reviewed sources have said the opposite:  there is no connection.

I had thisgreat response written for, Melestia, including studies backing the whole sexual abuse thing, but then I thought, we are talking about a video game. This argument is pointless. Let's just admit that no matter what I say you are going to hold to your narrow-minded beliefs, and no matter what you say I will hold to mind. People will always believe what they choose to believe.

[Ziggy]

Orion91 wrote...

To Orson Scott Card: 

How do you feel writing a comic about a game that endorses homosexuality even though you are out spoken against it?

To the publishers:

How do you feel losing subscribers because your writer is a bigot?

Good questions and I won't be subscribing for exactly that reason.

[roundcrow]

I will not be reading this, as I downloaded the sample and found that we do not make it to page 2 without a sexist remark (as far as I can tell - both characters appear male).



One of the things I appreciate about the Dragon Age world is that it is by and large free of BS like that. If it starts creeping into the game world, I will no longer purchase your products.

[Aesthioseae]

roundcrow wrote...

I will not be reading this, as I downloaded the sample and found that we do not make it to page 2 without a sexist remark (as far as I can tell - both characters appear male).

One of the things I appreciate about the Dragon Age world is that it is by and large free of BS like that. If it starts creeping into the game world, I will no longer purchase your products.

I personally don't mind if a character him/herself is prone to leaning one way or the other on certain issues. The ability to think along many different lines composes a book and its many characters. If one character thinks that women are weak, or that homosexuals are terrible, or that one race is superior to another-- that's fine. It's just that I believe the main character should be the beacon of tolerance and act as an example to the rest of the world... and the racist, the sexist and the bigot can all receive their commupins

[Aesthioseae]

MattWoody01 wrote...

Melestia wrote...

MattWoody01 wrote...

If you truly are "tolerant" than you tolerate someone else's opinion becuase that's what it means to be tolerant. Calling a person ignorant because they hold a belief that you don't agree with is intolerant. Why should you, the intolerant, tolerate his ignorance (I don't think "ignorancy" is actually a word), because you don't want to be seen as a hypocrite.

Being tolerant does not mean you cannot disagree with someone's opinion, especially when you have good reason.  No one here is saying Card should have his freedom of speech removed.  However, he is advocating having/keeping (depending on state) civil rights removed from gays.  That is most certainly bigotry no matter how you look at it.  The ignorant things he spouts are nothing but hate- and fear-mongering, with no basis in reality, reason, or fact.

MattWoody01 wrote...
By the by, there have been a number of studies indicating that, while not true in all cases, homosexuality has been linked to a history of abuse and molestation in childhood. Notice the qualifier.

No, there haven't.  In fact, all studies so far from APA or other peer-reviewed sources have said the opposite:  there is no connection.

I had thisgreat response written for, Melestia, including studies backing the whole sexual abuse thing, but then I thought, we are talking about a video game. This argument is pointless. Let's just admit that no matter what I say you are going to hold to your narrow-minded beliefs, and no matter what you say I will hold to mind. People will always believe what they choose to believe.

I found this study linking homophobia, and chronic arguing, and racial intolerance to abuse or sexual molestation at a young age. These same studies also show that these people are 14 times more likely commit violent sexual crimes in adulthood.

And just like that study you were talking about, this one is also false.

Seriously, stop masking your inclination to argue with people who have a problem with the employment of a man who vocalizes his opinions against what could be a significant portion of their clientel with some holierthanthou rant about how you've found some great fallacy in what we are doing by calling us (a) bigots in return, or ( narrowminded because we're unwilling to go, "Oh, well, just because we don't agree with him, doesn't mean we shouldn't support his work... even if some of that also hasa tendency to slap us in the face". It's rediculous, and childish.

Modifié par Aesthioseae, 22 mars 2010 - 02:56 .

[roundcrow]

@Aesthioseae, I see your point, but at this point I choose to take things like that as a warning shot across the bow rather than a marker that the character is a villain. It is vanishingly rare in any media that I've seen that a character that holds these views changes by the end.

[Melestia]

MattWoody01 wrote...

I had thisgreat response written for, Melestia, including studies backing the whole sexual abuse thing, but then I thought, we are talking about a video game. This argument is pointless.

I'm sure you did.  Or you realized your argument was entirely invalid and decided to not post it in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

The APA states that "Homosexuality was once thought to be the result of troubled family dynamics or faulty psychological development. Those assumptions are now understood to have been based on misinformation and prejudice. [. . .] No specific psychosocial or family dynamic cause for homosexuality has been identified, including histories of childhood sexual abuse."

MattWoody01 wrote...

Let's just admit that no matter what I say you are going to hold to your narrow-minded beliefs, and no matter what you say I will hold to mind. People will always believe what they choose to believe.

Rejecting opinions of narrow-minded bigots such as Card does not mean I am narrow-minded.  I fully support him being able to express his opinion so long as he does not interfere with other people's rights.  However, when he makes ignorant claims based on logical fallacies and untruths, anyone with any sort of intellectual capability would reject his opinion.  I am entirely open-minded to any argument that is actually based in reason and fact, unlike Card and apparently yourself.

Modifié par Melestia, 22 mars 2010 - 03:10 .

[roundcrow]

@MattWoody01: can you please link to the cited study?

[Aesthioseae]

roundcrow wrote...

@Aesthioseae, I see your point, but at this point I choose to take things like that as a warning shot across the bow rather than a marker that the character is a villain. It is vanishingly rare in any media that I've seen that a character that holds these views changes by the end.

It's true that they rarely change, but sadly, its the role that they fit into. These characters, for the sake of the story, must hold onto their vices, blind to what it does to them, to act as almost a sub-parabole to the story. It's all over the place in mythology, and character-caste. For these people to change their ways from, say, the thief to the paladin almost makes the character's personality seem... too maliable, but for that character to deceive others into thinking him the paladin... well, that's believable, unfortunately.

Ultimately, what usually happens is that those villains only see their demons in the last moments of their life, and realize their misfortune too late. For the reader, it seems almost bitter sweet, because you have that moment of weakness where this monster redeems him or herself in a couple sentences, and ends up saying something so genuine and moving that you almost forget about their transgressions. And then they die, and the storm is over.

But I do understand what you are saying.

[Chris Priestly]

Thanks to everyone for their questions. I wish more people had asked questions instead of going off topic, but we did have a lot of great questions answered anyways.

I'm sending the Qs off now. Once we get answers, we'll let you know where they can be seen.

Thanks all.

[Fates end]

To Orson Scott Card: Do you enjoy writing for the Dragon Age Universe? Is it much different writing a comic than a novel?

[kyles3]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I wish more people had asked questions instead of going off topic

lol, like you guys didn't know what you were getting yourselves into when you hired OSC. i don't give a rat's ass about homeboy getting his glen beck on, i just hope he does a better job with DA than he did with iron man. i mean really, the dude straight up took a ****** on poor tony stark.

[augustburnt]

Orson, WHERE IS OUR ENDERS GAME MOVIE? i cant wait any longer!!!!!! But related to DA, will there be more comics for the upcoming expansions and future games, and will you be working on those also?

[LokiArexon]

MattWoody01 wrote...

So, Dragon Age. Cool game. I have not read the comics, how does Mr. Card treat the protagonist? Does he go the noble route or the "renegade" route? I prefer the noble route myself. Although I did get Moragan pregnant to save both myself and Alastair once. Seemed liked the best choice to set up the eventual sequal.

 
Yeah I don't think this was answered.  Uhm, I don't know if I'm the only person here who actually read the comic in question before posting, but basically it's not altogether clear what the relation of the comic is to the game.  I *think * it's a prequel, since the mage tower seems to be mostly in-tact.  In any case, it focuses more on the relationship between blood mages and the templar than to the darkspawn invasion.

[MattWoody01]

Aesthioseae (how do you pronounce that?), Roundcrow, and Melestia (slightly ironic name there), I sent you individual responses to your comments and questions sent my way. Hope they helped. And hey, hope we're all still friends!

[Lurchibald]

if the question time wasn't over one thing that occurred to me is are you guys thinking of introducing other mythical creatures like vampires or even mermaids etc

[PerryPoint]

Why can't I install Awakening?

[PerryPoint]

When I try to install 1.03 it says I don't have DA Origins installed?

[ObserverStatus]

I hope Priestly edited out the firefight over Card's views which I won't name.

[PerryPoint]

PerryPoint wrote...

Why can't I install Awakening?