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[naomis8329]

Firstly my apologies to everyone who may take offence at what I am about to say, but I've been thinking about the expansion pack for the past four hours trying to get my head around the points I am about to make.

I started playing the expansion pack this morning filled with anticipation of renewing old friendships and carrying them on.  To say I was disappointed was an understatement.  In the original we got to encourage deep relationships, shallow ones and friendships that should last what would have been have been the rest of the Hero of Fereldens' life.  To find we could import our hero's character into the expansion was a joy, but these relationships just seem to stop.  We cannot even really forge new ones with the new characters that are given to us, no romancing etc. 

To me, playing the daughter of Bryce Cousland, what a kick in the butt it would have been to end up in a relationship with the son of Howe, but apparently you can't.  I left Origins with Zevran having decided to break up with Alistair, does my chosen partner come with me, no.  When Alistair does turn up and talks to me looking like he'd go over broken glass to get me back, he ends up telling me to get on with it as he has other more important things to do.  Err hello, darkspawn not important......  Anyway, maybe I'm just being picky but I think the BW team's brief was to consentrate on getting an expansion out asap so you can start with a new character with very little thought of consistency for those who wanted to continue with characters they had developed in the original.

Like I originally said, I apologise if I upset anyone with my viewpoint, which I have come up with after playing the expansion for 6 hours and reading other people's thoughts, concerns and looking at what was missing for a couple of hours after that.  If I'm wrong then I'm sorry and I look forward to finding out even more.

[Venatio]

No no, thats pretty much on the mark. This wasn't really a full fledged and fully backed Bioware project, not on the scale of Origins atleast.

[mousestalker]

Nope, that pretty much sums it up.



Moo!

[naomis8329]

When I realised who Howe's son was I just pictured Him turning on his pyre spitting feathers, nails etc whilst I walk off into the sunset with one of his precious sons. What revenge. He killed my family I get to create a new one joined with his. Priceless, better than killing the lot of them... but not to be it seems

[Joshd21]

If you don't like it, then don't buy it. I have no issues about being milked, that make the rest of us better? they are a business, they make content and we pay. It's supply and demand. I'd personally like 5 more expansion pack milking

[ejoslin]

And as the quality of games continues to go down, thank people who are more than happy with "hey, it's ok," rather than the ones who are willing to pay more for epic games!

Edit: And given basic economics, it makes tons of sense.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 mars 2010 - 05:10 .

[naomis8329]

I'm all for making a buck, but as with any sequel, prequal etc etc, continuity is a must. The Elderscrolls shows this and to a great extent keeps it going. They unfortunately have yet to make a game were you can import a chosen character, but they keep continuity going all the same. I've been an rpger for quite some time and get quite emmersed in the games I play, not just a question of lets see how fast I can complete it. I also look at it from ever angle, playing a gamut of characters till I find one that I "feel" comfortable in.



Maybe that's sad but its like a good film, no matter how many times you watch it, you always see something you missed before.

[Venatio]

naomis8329 wrote...

Maybe that's sad but its like a good film, no matter how many times you watch it, you always see something you missed before.

Thats what most people see in rpg's, the story they made.

[JigPig]

I'm beginning to think it's the same person making these threads, over, and over.

[Blansten]

naomis8329 wrote...

I'm all for making a buck, but as with any sequel, prequal etc etc, continuity is a must. The Elderscrolls shows this and to a great extent keeps it going. They unfortunately have yet to make a game were you can import a chosen character, but they keep continuity going all the same. I've been an rpger for quite some time and get quite emmersed in the games I play, not just a question of lets see how fast I can complete it. I also look at it from ever angle, playing a gamut of characters till I find one that I "feel" comfortable in.

Maybe that's sad but its like a good film, no matter how many times you watch it, you always see something you missed before.

This really isn't a sequel though nor is it a full on game, it's an expansion pack... a buggy flawed expansion pack to 
be sure, but still not a full sequel.

I would argue that Bioware is biting off more than it can chew with all the projects it is working on. Even with different teams they are spreading their "A" talent across too much and each game is suffering in certain areas because of it.

To be fair though before the game even came out I knew I could import my character but not my companions and that my LI would have no part of the game. I got what I expected if not ultimately what I would have wanted.

[Nightfish103]

Well, the "it's just an expansion argument" only carries so much weight when you look at what other expansion packs did. Take Mask of the Betrayer, for example. That one actually surpassed the original game according to many people.

[Yrkoon]

Venatio wrote...

No no, thats pretty much on the mark. This wasn't really a full fledged and fully backed Bioware project, not on the scale of Origins atleast.

They  clearly advertised it as something *better* than Origins



Now lets take a vote.  Who here thinks  Awakenings is an improvement?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[Yrkoon]

Joshd21 wrote...

If you don't like it, then don't buy it..

Huh?  Is this some some sort of time-travel  argument?

How in the world will we know whether we like it or not  if we don't buy it?

You're missing the point here.  These complaints are coming  from people who bought the game, played it and didn't like it.

[Venatio]

Yrkoon wrote...

They  clearly advertised it as something *better* than Origins



Now lets take a vote.  Who here thinks  Awakenings is an improvement?

I dont know If I'm right in saying this, considering how hard the developers worked, but they did put out some misleading advertisements - something I wouldnt have expected from a name like Bioware.

I watch that trailer and I think "Wow I want to play that game!" then "Oh wait I did....".

Modifié par Venatio, 20 mars 2010 - 06:18 .

[harazal]

i enjoyed it. some slight bugs, but all in all, a great side story. A short story linking two big books is a good way to describe it.



To be quite frank, this forum is turning into a WoW junior forum, with a lot of pompous posters imagining they could do better, or expecting every single piece of dlc and expac to be a full game. Doesn't matter where you go these days, you here the usual 'blah blah' from about milking, or basic quality vs mass penetration.



To be quite frank, you people are clueless, talking out your behind, and only posting this stuff because your anonymous behind the internet. No one has any clue what their dev team status is, and where they have spread their talent across, nor do we know their development and finanical plans.



Awakening was exactly what i expected, a short blast in a story world being built from the ground up. I got about 15 hours out of, and since i paid 15 euros for it, i ain't complaining.

[Venatio]

harazal wrote...

Awakening was exactly what i expected, a short blast in a story world being built from the ground up. I got about 15 hours out of, and since i paid 15 euros for it, i ain't complaining.

You spent the equivalent of  $23.19 (give or take a few cents) stateside, here I paid $40 so I think I do have the right to complain. I can get over that it was short, the cuts in the story, I dont even care about characters coming over from Origins but that the game was so obviously incomplete is evident for all to see. If not the developers then the higher ups who did not see the wisdom in delaying the realease, it is they that we have complaints for.
 
So unless you can say that you would have gladly paid twice as much for it, I dont think you have as valid a foothold as you believe.

Modifié par Venatio, 20 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[naomis8329]

Precisely, I expected the "expansion" pack to do just that, expand on the original story and take it further, tying up some of the loose ends. The next "expansion" pack would then do the next set etc etc. For example going to Orlais, Antiva, thwarting a possible qunari invasion whatever. This to me seems like a small game running along side or slightly after the Origins one not continuing from it. Ergo not an expansion.

[SSH83]

Play more. Criticize less. You might change your attitude after you finish the expansion.



The game is pretty good, even if not up to par of Origin.

[ejoslin]

Heh, finishing it is what cemented my attitude.

[SSH83]

I'd take my $40 Awakening over the $60 final fantasy XII any day.

[ejoslin]

I'd take my $50 for DA:O over $40 for DA:A. But, you know, if it's good enough for you, then perhaps they shouldn't go after making epic stuff. Makes me sad, but I have a feeling that's the way it's going to be. DA:A may have been seeing how much people would pay for how little. It's good, I'll give it that. But it's not even in the same league as DA:O, and it's almost the same price.

[Addai]

I thought it was enjoyable, but still overall blah. I didn't get to know my companions, the main villains were cartoonish (the Mother) or sadly undeveloped in-game (the Architect). Would I even know what the Architect was trying to do if I hadn't read The Calling? I doubt it. The creepiest and most effective plot line was the Baroness/ Blackmarsh. I didn't even bother with most of the fetch quests and wasn't able to do several of the companion quests because the game cut off, forcing me to the final battle, or because I couldn't get approval up and didn't have any way to fix that.

[Addai]

SSH83 wrote...

I'd take my $40 Awakening over the $60 final fantasy XII any day.

We paid $40-50 for Fallout 3 and $60-some for DA:O, and played those games for months, an embarrassing amount of hours.  $40 for a forgettable expansion is not going to cut it.  I will be much more careful about my purchases in future, not just buy anything with DA on it.

[SSH83]

ejoslin wrote...

I'd take my $50 for DA:O over $40 for DA:A.

Me, too!    But my point is, this expansion is still better than a lot of full-game rpgs out there.  It should not be considered a despicable act of "milking" the fans.

[SSH83]

If it helps, think of the expansion as 5 DLCs combined together with a plot that actually continues the story.