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[M-490 Blackstorm]

Hi I need help getting the NO ONE LEFT BEHIND acheivement. the first scene in the battle were you send a tech specialist to open the doors is my problem. All of my crew is loyal and I've tried legion,Tali, and jacob but they all died by that weird shot from a gun. If anyone can help me with this problem thank you.

[Kurupt87]

you must have chosen either garrus, miranda or jacob as leader.

then the tech can be either tali or legion.

leader choices the same.

biotic will be either samara or jack

escort can be anyone

defender is grunt or garrus, probably zaeed too

any loyal party member for your final party

defender can be grunt or garrus

anyone you choose must be loyal

[M-490 Blackstorm]

Thanks alot the leader is what I did wrong I kept choosing Samara as the leader.

[Warlord guy]

Kurupt87 wrote...

you must have chosen either garrus, miranda or jacob as leader.
then the tech can be either tali or legion.
leader choices the same.
biotic will be either samara or jack
escort can be anyone
defender is grunt or garrus, probably zaeed too
any loyal party member for your final party
defender can be grunt or garrus
anyone you choose must be loyal

This guy wrong!
Team leaders are garrus,Jacob and miri but one of them must be loyal

Tail and legion for vents and they must be loyal

Miri for defender

Jack or samara and they must be loyal

Taking crew back is anyone but they must be loyal

Taking team to boss can be anyone but they must be loyal!

[Iz Stoik zI]

Warlord guy wrote...

This guy wrong!
Team leaders are garrus,Jacob and miri but one of them must be loyal

Tail and legion for vents and they must be loyal

Miri for defender

Jack or samara and they must be loyal

Taking crew back is anyone but they must be loyal

Taking team to boss can be anyone but they must be loyal!

How is he wrong?

Leaders: Garrus, Jacob, Miranda
Tech: Tali, Legion
Escort: Whoever you want, I prefer to send Mordin
Biotic: Samara, Jack
Hold the Line: Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed all have he highest "Hold the Line" statistic (how did you get Miranda??)

Every specialist chosen must be loyal or some of your squadmates will die.

[HakkyounoTenshi]

It's a little bit more complicated than what's already been said, but the gist is the same.

First of all, do all the loyalty missions. A loyal squadmate has a much better chance of survival than an unloyal one.

The tech specialist in the vents must be Tali or Legion. No one else is able to do that part right.

Your Fire Team leader must be either Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob. You don't have to stay with the same choice during the whole mission, but the squad leader must be one of these three. They need to be loyal because if your fire team leader isn't loyal than your tech specialist could die on the first part of the mission, and the squad leader could die on the second.

The Biotic specialist must be either Jack or Samara. They're the only ones with the biotic power to carry the barrier through all the way. Remember Loyalty is your friend.

For the escort you can choose anyone but if the escort isn't loyal, then said escort will die along the way. Most times the remaining crew will die as well. I recommend Mordin for this job if your not taking him to the final boss.

Now for the tricky part of Hold the Line:
The people you don't take to the final boss will be hunkered down and covering the door, so you need strong defenders. Everyone has a HtL score, if the squadmate is loyal the score is higher.
The defenders with the highest scores are:
Grunt
Zaeed
Garrus

The defenders with the lowest scores are:
Mordin
Tali
Jack

The game will add up the total scores of you defenders and check them against a number it decides (please note that easier difficulties have easier checks) if you pass the check everyone lives, if you don't the game decides who dies based on loyalty, and HtL scores.
The squadmates you take with you are not counted as part of the check.

The squadmates you take with you to the final boss can be anyone, but if they are not loyal they will die. If you are going for the Nobody Left Behind achievement, I suggest to take people with lower HtL scores.

This information was posted earlier here: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1121616

Does this help any?

Modifié par HakkyounoTenshi, 20 mars 2010 - 07:38 .

[Iz Stoik zI]

HakkyounoTenshi wrote...

For the escort you can choose anyone but if the escort isn't loyal, then said escort will die along the way. Most times the remaining crew will die as well. I recommend for this job if your not taking him to the final boss.

Who do you recommend?

I lost Mordin during the Hold the Line part the first time I played and I was pissed off, so I've been sending him back with the crew every time.

I also lost Jacob because I took him in my squad through the Seeker Swarms and Miranda failed to hold her barrier all the way. Started using Samara ever since, and have had no casualties since.

[HakkyounoTenshi]

I recommend Mordin.



Somehow the post didn't include his name. Don't know how that happened. Sorry about that.

[Kurupt87]

So, apart from my typing one line twice, and not making clear that "leaders the same" meant "see first leader choices", you have all confirmed what I said, in varying degrees of detail. Apart from WarlordGuy, who misses a step, and recommends miranda (miri?) for defence, which is odd.
The only reason I didn't recommend a squishy to escort the crew was to let him decide on who he takes with him, as it doesn't make a difference as long as the rest has been done right.
Edit: And np OP

Modifié par Kurupt87, 20 mars 2010 - 08:50 .

[HakkyounoTenshi]

Yep

I'll admit though. When I read through your list, I found it confusing. I figured that it's better to clarify it with more detail instead of less

Modifié par HakkyounoTenshi, 20 mars 2010 - 09:02 .

[Xtraordianary]

I just took for granted wich ones was made for the mission and picked my favouirite one for each assignment. And it all went well for me ;D

[M-490 Blackstorm]

Ok this is my fifth time trying the suicide mission. All of my crew is loyal and I tried Miranda as second squad leader and I've tried Tali and Legoin as techs but they keep dying. I almost have every upgrade possible. If it doesn't work I need to contact bioware because there is something seriously wrong.

[Iz Stoik zI]

If Tali/Legion is loyal and so is the fire team leader then there shouldn't be anyone dying during that phase of the Suicide Mission... At all

[SuperMedbh]

I just did it the second time, and even after reading the threads on this topic, STILL lost.



Normal Difficulty, all loyal except Zaeed (did his mission too early-- next time I'll wait until I can persuade. Even my renegade wouldn't let innocents burn to death for his stupid revenge)



1st Team leader: Jacob

Vent: Legion

Biotic: Samara

2nd Team leader: Miranda

Escort: Grunt

Final Party: Garrus and Mordin (first playthrough, left Mordin with HTL and he died, even though loyal)



Zaeed died.





What did I do wrong? Does everyone need to be loyal?

[Kurupt87]

1st Leader: Miranda, Jacob, Garrus (if Miranda is leader, don't put Jack in the squad, they don't get along - not sure if it has definite impact)

Tech: Tali, Legion

2nd Leader: Miranda, Jacob, Garrus (if Miranda is leader, don't put Jack in the squad, they don't get
along - not sure if it has definite impact)

Biotic: Jack, Samara/Morinth

Escort: Anyone (best to send a squishy, like Tali or Mordin)

Defence: Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed

Final Party: Anyone

ANYONE YOU CHOOSE IN ANY OF THESE ROLES MUST BE LOYAL.
If two members had an argument (tali/legion and miranda/jack), and you couldn't solve it via para/ren then you lost someones loyalty.

[Kurupt87]

Super, did you leave anybody to defend? If not, then that is why Zaeed died, because he was unloyal, so had the lowest survival score. He died while you were off fighting the terminator yeah?

[Iz Stoik zI]

@supermedbh



Everyone should be loyal. If they're not, then there's a good chance that they die durig HTL unless they're in your squad. Also, Grunt has the highest HTL stat so sending him to escort the crew weakened you for the last part of the mission.

[SuperMedbh]

Kurupt87 wrote...

Super, did you leave anybody to defend? If not, then that is why Zaeed died, because he was unloyal, so had the lowest survival score. He died while you were off fighting the terminator yeah?

I think I get it now.  I don't think I picked the right option, because I only had to select who went with me on the final mission (Garrus and Mordin).  So, if I pick the other choice (leave someone to defend or words to the effect), I pick three who will be in that group?

I picked Grunt for escort because I wanted to make sure the crew made it back, but I take it that anyone loyal will survive that mission.

Thanks!

[DeathByWoodchipper]

SuperMedbh wrote...

I just did it the second time, and even after reading the threads on this topic, STILL lost.

Normal Difficulty, all loyal except Zaeed (did his mission too early-- next time I'll wait until I can persuade. Even my renegade wouldn't let innocents burn to death for his stupid revenge)

1st Team leader: Jacob
Vent: Legion
Biotic: Samara
2nd Team leader: Miranda
Escort: Grunt
Final Party: Garrus and Mordin (first playthrough, left Mordin with HTL and he died, even though loyal)

Zaeed died.


What did I do wrong? Does everyone need to be loyal?

Next time, use Mordin as the escort.  Also, when selecting for the final party, take people who aren't combat savvy with you (like Tali).  I took Miranda and Tali on the final run and everybody survived.

Modifié par DeathByWoodchipper, 22 mars 2010 - 12:15 .

[Iz Stoik zI]

You don't need to "pick" anyone for HTL, but if Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed are left behind your team's survival odds greatly increase. Personally I always take Garrus in my party and everyone survives anyways. Grunt basically NEEDS to hold the line.

[Tlazolteotl]

When you go off for the final showdown, everyone but the escort will defend.
Their "combat strengths" will be totaled up, and if it's insufficient, someone will die.
Priority for this death goes towards the non-loyal, but it's also the reason people lose mordin ('cos he's high on the squishy list).

So, taking the scenario with a non-loyal zaeed as an example, the most likely way to have 0 deaths:
Send a loyal squishy (such as tali) back as escort.
Take 2 loyal squishies (such as mordin and miranda - she's nigh invincible up to this point, but it seems her combat score is low) with you to the final battle.

Also, it seems grunt has the highest combat score.

[kaskouka]

Ok this is my fifth time trying the suicide mission. All of my crew is loyal and I tried Miranda as second squad leader and I've tried Tali and Legoin as techs but they keep dying. I almost have every upgrade possible. If it doesn't work I need to contact bioware because there is something seriously wrong

When Tali and Legion had a "chat" after Legion's Loyalty mission, did you choose the renegate/paragon sentence to calm them down?
If not, the problem is there.

Modifié par kaskouka, 22 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[incinerator950]

Odd, I've gotten everyone to survive, and lost Jack's loyalty, and she still lived.

Infiltration: Legion
Fire Team 1 Leader: Garrus
Biotic: Samara
Fire Team 2 Leader: Garrus
Escort: Mordin
Hurry Up at the hold the line section
Final Battle team: Zaeed, Legion.

I play 360, I haven't lost a team member since my third run, because I didn't get Tali, so Thane died because of unupgraded shields.

Modifié par incinerator950, 22 mars 2010 - 12:58 .