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[Red Frostraven]

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Future game spoilers...

1: Flemeth "possessed" the bodies of her children to stay alive.
2: Morrigan learns about the secret.
3: Morrigan gets a godchild.
4: Morrigan performs flemeth's ritual.
5: Morrigan becomes a godess.
6: ???
7: What's the opposite of profit?

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In any case:
8: Flemeth aids you in the next dragon age game, by helping you defeat her god-daughter...

[Red Frostraven]

First and foremost, who'd in their right minds would think she'd be a good mother?



Secondly and most importantly, who not completely out of their mind would believe she'd be a good godess?

[ObserverStatus]

No, no, no. Flemeth is going to decide to skip a generation and possess the baby. She will than proceed to murder Morrigan.

[Aesthioseae]

What sources can you use to legitimate these claims?

[Addai]

You're missing a few things here. Flemeth keeps her soul and possesses the body of her daughter, "overwriting" the soul of the daughter with her own. The point of Morrigan's ritual is to save the *soul* of an old god. What would be the point of possessing the body of a Cousland or Alistair child and overwriting the old god's soul?



As for the ending, how does this sound: Morrigan's god-baby aids you in saving the world from an even greater threat?

[Addai]

Red Frostraven wrote...

First and foremost, who'd in their right minds would think she'd be a good mother?

As she tells you, this will be no ordinary child.  However, I like Morrigan and my characters come to befriend and trust her.  That's why I help her.  That, and because I don't want to die or see Alistair die.  I doubt the child will grow up with warm fuzzies, but one reason I believe Morrigan will do alright is that she herself had a pretty rough upbringing and finds Flemeth's "methods" abhorrent.

Secondly and most importantly, who not completely out of their mind would believe she'd be a good godess?

See above.

[ObserverStatus]

Aesthioseae wrote...

What sources can you use to legitimate these claims?

The game, of course. After you slay Flemeth, Morrigan tells you that she is likely still alive.  It is important to think of the entity in question as the demon which came to Flemeths aid long ago, not the woman it possessed long ago.  This claim is reinforced by Morrigans response to "Is she human?"  I think it is safe to assume it will prefer the baby to morrigan based on "Three Billy Goats Gruff" logic, with the troll preferring the largest goat to feast on.

Modifié par bobobo878, 20 mars 2010 - 09:50 .

[spottyblanket]

I just figured giving birth to the old God--UNCORRUPT would mean no more blights.

Here is what bothers me, Morrigan thinks the chantry is nonsense...but she believes in the Old God and therefore that the old God was corrupted by the fade, thus making the archdemon and the blight. So does that mean the chantry's belief isn't utterly groundless?

Modifié par spottyblanket, 20 mars 2010 - 09:51 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

You're missing a few things here. Flemeth keeps her soul and possesses the body of her daughter, "overwriting" the soul of the daughter with her own. The point of Morrigan's ritual is to save the *soul* of an old god. What would be the point of possessing the body of a Cousland or Alistair child and overwriting the old god's soul?

As for the ending, how does this sound: Morrigan's god-baby aids you in saving the world from an even greater threat?

I like that, that could be a possibility.  Hmm what would the chances be of sometime down the road Bioware decides to make a game to where both ArchDemon's are awakened at the same time bringing mass destruction on the world and the only way to defeat them is with the help of this child?  Could happen lol

[Tamyn]

Red Frostraven wrote...


3: Morrigan gets a godchild.
4: Morrigan performs flemeth's ritual.
5: Morrigan becomes a godess.

Not possible. The god-ness of the child is in the soul of the child. The soul of an Old God. If Morrigan performed Flemeth's ritual, she'd kick out the god soul from the body and then just inhabit a normal child's body. It's the soul that makes the child special at all. Not the body.

[Shady314]

Morrigan told Shale she has to study the SOUL of a creature to learn to shapeshift into it.

[Behindyounow]

If the soul was so special by just being a soul, what'd be the point in keeping it?



It'd obviously have some effect on the body if Morrigan was so obsessed in keeping it.

[Tamyn]

Shady314 wrote...

Morrigan told Shale she has to study the SOUL of a creature to learn to shapeshift into it.

Well maybe she could somehow shapeshift into a god baby or something later on. I'm talking about Flemeth's ritual.

[Tamyn]

Behindyounow wrote...

If the soul was so special by just being a soul, what'd be the point in keeping it?

Ask Morrigan. Some things are worth preserving.

It'd obviously have some effect on the body if Morrigan was so obsessed in keeping it.

She wants to keep it alive. Therefore it needs a body, correct? If she didn't do her thing with the grey warden then the god's soul would have been destroyed.

Modifié par Tamyn, 20 mars 2010 - 10:07 .

[Devil Keyz]

i let morrigian have her way cuz she was my fav party member lol

[Sarah1281]

Morrigan can't do the ritual anyway. When she tells you she found out how her mother lived so long and before she tells you about the body-snatching, you can ask her if she can use it too and she says something about how she could if she were a centuries-old abomination.

[Behindyounow]

So the soul is worth keeping... because its a special kind of soul, and wont have any effect whatsoever on the body?



She's starting to sound like one of those geeks who keep their comics wrapped in plastic for fifty years or something.

[mousestalker]

Too much speculation in the face of too little information. Morrigan, Flemeth and the Godspawn could all wind up in a beach front condo somewhere in Tevinter. Or they could all be stars of a Qunari sitcom. We don't know. The whole thing was left deliberately ambiguous for future game developments.

[Tamyn]

Behindyounow wrote...

So the soul is worth keeping... because its a special kind of soul, and wont have any effect whatsoever on the body?

She's starting to sound like one of those geeks who keep their comics wrapped in plastic for fifty years or something.

If there is some effect on the child's body due to the god's inhabiting of it, that is not mentioned in the game so we can only speculate. I assume that the child will be special because it's essentially an Old God reborn. But the body was a normal child/embryo before the archdemon was killed.

Modifié par Tamyn, 20 mars 2010 - 10:08 .

[Raiil]

I've only once refused her ritual, and that was because I was meta-gaming and I needed to be able to sacrifice myself.





I did it, partially because a) my PC wants to keep Alistair and she believes that Morrigan will keep her word and do right by both the child and for society in general. Morrigan is a lot of things: she can be cruel, mean spirited, etc. But she shows no signs of wanting dominion over others. Her quest for power is geared towards freedom and self-preservation. She says it herself- giving birth to the old God represents a freedom, one that my Amell PC understands because of her own hatred of the Chantry. I see nothing in Morrigan that suggests that she wishes to rule over the world through her child or bring great destruction to it. All she seeks is a means to the old ways- to give herself and others and choice that the Andrastrian fanatics have taken away.

[Sarah1281]

The soul may grant the body power but if the soul is booted from the body for Flemeth to possess (because Morrigan can't) then it will be just an ordinary though powerful human (or half-dwarf) baby. I'm not saying the child won't bring doom upon us all, just that it won't be possessed by Flemeth or Morrigan to do it.

[Sarah1281]

The soul may grant the body power but if the soul is booted from the body for Flemeth to possess (because Morrigan can't) then it will be just an ordinary though powerful human (or half-dwarf) baby. I'm not saying the child won't bring doom upon us all, just that it won't be possessed by Flemeth or Morrigan to do it.

[Nukenin]

Assuming Morrigan learned Flemeth's secret to immortality (in my hundreds of documented hours playing Dragon Age I've never made it once to the ending so I'm fuzzy on the particulars of the ritual) then that could be her legacy to the Old God's soul—a means to ensure it's own immortality.



Perhaps in a future Dragon Age, the player character will be that soul. Could be an interesting reimagining of a certain Bhaalspawn's saga.

[Sarah1281]

The means involves stealing other people's bodies. Given how freaked out Morrigan was by the whole deal, even if the god-child COULD use the ritual, I doubt Morrigan would fill them in on it.

[Raiil]

Flemeth's ultimate key to her immortality is to be a walking, talking abomination- albeit one with a more or less human appearance. It allows her soul to live forever, but human bodies have expiration dates, hence why she has to keep body hoping. In order for Morrigan to do the same thing, she'd also need to become an abomination- something she shows absolutely no interest in doing.