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[DeathWyrmNexus]

7: She's a power-hungry wench who's delusional in her belief that she's more powerful or wiser than most else of importance in the party, when she in fact could be captured easy as pie by enemies. (She constantly falls in my party, while my mage doesn't. and Shapechanger? Sheesh. That's worse than Wynne!)

So basically, you fail as a commander and a gamer because you can't actually spec her out to survive and kick ass. Good to know.

She did just fine in my playthroughs. Perhaps you shouldn't advertise your lack of skill. It tends to be embarassing to yourself.

[InvaderErl]

Yeah, I don't know what he's on about. Morrigan was one of the more powerful members of my party.

[Red Frostraven]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

7: She's a power-hungry wench who's delusional in her belief that she's more powerful or wiser than most else of importance in the party, when she in fact could be captured easy as pie by enemies. (She constantly falls in my party, while my mage doesn't. and Shapechanger? Sheesh. That's worse than Wynne!)

So basically, you fail as a commander and a gamer because you can't actually spec her out to survive and kick ass. Good to know.

She did just fine in my playthroughs. Perhaps you shouldn't advertise your lack of skill. It tends to be embarassing to yourself.

The fun thing is, she's a loner and survivalist. So I don't tell her what to do.

And she fails every single time.

I said that MORRIGAN falls, not that my player character does.
What my party does or doesn't do doesn't bother me the slightest as long as they're not incompetent, but I do tell some of the characters what to do when they're doing something wrong -- all except morrigan who've presented a desire to not be controlled.
She's stuck on her AI.

And I autolevel her, according to her own desires.

Sure. If you go in and take the reins and SALVAGE her, she may be a strong enough character with a wasted specialization slot.
BUT fact remains, she need near divine intervention to turn out 4 below par...

[ejoslin]

You're very funny. Seriously. You had a LOT of people going!

[Vicious]

This thread just goes to show that when you bludgeon people over their head with storyline hints that The Chantry's story is wrong about, well, everything, and is at best, dogma, people STILL won't get it.



It has literally been painful to read.

[Lady Orc]

I've used Morrigan in two of my full games now, and she worked out very well and was a highly useful member of the party. It sounds to me as if you're not bothering to either spec her properly or set up her tactics right. Possibly both. In general I do find that mage npc:s require just a little bit more micromanagement than rogues or warriors, at least regarding their offensive spells. Wynne or any npc used  as a healbot can be easily run entirely with tactics.

Edited: Ok, I read the part about autoleveling etc now. Let's just say that I doubt any npc handled that way would particularly shine in battle.

Modifié par Lady Orc, 22 mars 2010 - 05:25 .

[Addai]

Morrigan is evil because the game's auto-level sucks. LOL!

[Sereaph502]

Me.



Reasoning? I didn't want the character that I worked hard on to do all these sidequests, gear up, as well as get the affection of most of my companions up die just like that.



If Flemeth comes back in DA2 or something, we'll just beat her again, simple as that.

[ejoslin]

Lady Orc, he already said that he autolevels her and has her do what she "wants." He is obviously trolling, and having a great time of it. And actually, he did a really good job of it too!

[Lady Orc]

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Orc, he already said that he autolevels her and has her do what she "wants." He is obviously trolling, and having a great time of it. And actually, he did a really good job of it too!

Yeah I saw that. Well done too, I usually spot them but not this time. At least the thread was entertaining to read.

[Leifa]

Tamyn wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

So the soul is worth keeping... because its a special kind of soul, and wont have any effect whatsoever on the body?

She's starting to sound like one of those geeks who keep their comics wrapped in plastic for fifty years or something.

If there is some effect on the child's body due to the god's inhabiting of it, that is not mentioned in the game so we can only speculate. I assume that the child will be special because it's essentially an Old God reborn. But the body was a normal child/embryo before the archdemon was killed.

So... If the child had a soul before the Archdemon was killed, wouldn't that mean that the child's soul would now be in the fade? Capable of being contacted -- or, as Justice has proven, to come back if another body was available? And how would, being brought up in the fade with and educated by good and bad spirits, affect a person? Would he/she want revenge on the parent who had abandonned him/her and made this possible? Or would he/she only need to ask why, and perhaps get closure?
How interesting...


Edit: And to answer the OP's question: Me -- I didn't want Alistair to die and I couldn't refuse his attentions, he's just too sweet, and was just too hurt when I tried to do it.

Modifié par Leifa, 22 mars 2010 - 06:17 .

[Sarah1281]

I don't think the game touched on whether the child already had a soul or not. Too religious.



If it doesn't then it doesn't necessarily mean it has to turn into a darkspawn because of the ritual Morrigan doesn't really adequatey explain.



If it does then maybe the souls merged. It is only a day old, after all.

[Behindyounow]

Leifa wrote...



So... If the child had a soul before the Archdemon was killed, wouldn't that mean that the child's soul would now be in the fade? Capable of being contacted -- or, as Justice has proven, to come back if another body was available? And how would, being brought up in the fade with and educated by good and bad spirits, affect a person? Would he/she want revenge on the parent who had abandonned him/her and made this possible? Or would he/she only need to ask why, and perhaps get closure?
How interesting...

The reason why the ritual works, and doesn't kill the baby, is because at the time its little more than a fertilised egg with no soul.

[JigPig]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

7: She's a power-hungry wench who's delusional in her belief that she's more powerful or wiser than most else of importance in the party, when she in fact could be captured easy as pie by enemies. (She constantly falls in my party, while my mage doesn't. and Shapechanger? Sheesh. That's worse than Wynne!)

So basically, you fail as a commander and a gamer because you can't actually spec her out to survive and kick ass. Good to know.

She did just fine in my playthroughs. Perhaps you shouldn't advertise your lack of skill. It tends to be embarassing to yourself.

Oh no, you've got more unexisting skill then someone in a singleplayer video game, whatever are we going to do.

[Psychoray]

I didn't think she would be a good mother, and probably nothing good would come of it.



My reasoning was: I don't want to die. If I manage to kill the Archdemon and it's soul gets sent to the fetus instead destroying me, fine.



If the baby turns out to be evil I will initiate face stabbing mode. Problem solved.

[Behindyounow]

I dont get why people say its death for their character or the ritual.



You could always get Alistair or Loghain to kill the Archdemon y'know.

[Sarah1281]

You could always get Alistair or Loghain to kill the Archdemon y'know.

Lots of people don't want to ****** Alistair off that badly, think Loghain's too dangerous to live themselves, or just don't think having him as a GW is practical so it's them or Alistair. If you put Alistair on the throne then you almost have to take the final blow yourself. Otherwise why not just support Anora if she's going to be solo Queen anyway? And if you put Alistair as solo King or ruling with you, then you have the rulin monarch of Ferelden probably pissed at you for getting her locked up and potentially beig executed if Alistair had lived. Having the Queen that upset at you - especially if you promised her support earlier - is not likely to bode well.

[Behindyounow]

You could always harden Alistair, make him king and get Loghain to kill the archdemon.



No moody Anora ruling by herself. No alive Loghain.

[Layn]

Behindyounow wrote...

You could always get Alistair or Loghain to kill the Archdemon y'know.

some like alistair and don't want him to die. some don't like Loghain and don't want him to die a hero

[Dj LynZee]

CerebusAlteri wrote...

know why i loved morrigan? her strength of character. and you know when? the fade everyone was taken in including wynne, i had her on my team your results may vary, but mrs wynne expert on the fade, has a guardian spirit within her that supposedly protects her, is totally duped by the fade and sitting there like a babbling idiot, like allister,. then i come upon morrigan light of my life, beacon in the darkness she is telling her fade mother to go bleep herself. and asks me to kill it so she can get some peace and quiet ;P.

i was like you know what all other faults aside, i did not have to spend any time all trying to convince her we were in the fade. she knew full well where she was and what was happening and was the only party member to not act like a idiot.

Hmm...
My personal interpretation of those dreams was actually what the characters actually wanted in their life. Like Stenn's for example. He was perfectly aware it was a dream, but he was content with that. Maybe not Wynne... but who cares about that old bat anyway!?

So when it came around to Morrigan it seemed to me that the version of Flemmeth that was driving her mad was actually the type of mother she secretly has always yearned for.
That being said, I'm not even much of a Morrigan fan. She's a raging **** and her 'i hate and disapprove of anything even if it's helpful to our cause' ideology is retarded. Her character fell a bit short at times.

Modifié par Dj LynZee, 22 mars 2010 - 06:55 .

[Dj LynZee]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

7: She's a power-hungry wench who's delusional in her belief that she's more powerful or wiser than most else of importance in the party, when she in fact could be captured easy as pie by enemies. (She constantly falls in my party, while my mage doesn't. and Shapechanger? Sheesh. That's worse than Wynne!)

So basically, you fail as a commander and a gamer because you can't actually spec her out to survive and kick ass. Good to know.

She did just fine in my playthroughs. Perhaps you shouldn't advertise your lack of skill. It tends to be embarassing to yourself.

Because being a 'gamer' and being good at video games is an embarassment and people should be ashamed if they aren't! /endsarcasm

Seriously though, 'tis a bit sad you would say something like that. I don't think you realize how sad and retarded it actually sounded eh?

[TheBlackBaron]

Dj LynZee wrote...
Hmm...
My personal interpretation of those dreams was actually what the characters actually wanted in their life. Like Stenn's for example. He was perfectly aware it was a dream, but he was content with that. Maybe not Wynne... but who cares about that old bat anyway!?

Well, the idea is to trap them within their own mind, basically, so whatever gets that done works. For most of them that involves making them happy (Alistair, Sten, etc.), for Wynne that involves paralyzing her with...regret? Sadness? Something like that.

As it is, the Demon just did a really crappy job with the Warden and Morrigan. I'm not sure so sure a doddering grandmotherly Flemeth that takes offense to everything is exactly what she wants - something more like Eleanor Cousland, if her reaction to Aedan's discussion of her is anything to go by.

[Leifa]

Behindyounow wrote...

Leifa wrote...



So... If the child had a soul before the Archdemon was killed, wouldn't that mean that the child's soul would now be in the fade? Capable of being contacted -- or, as Justice has proven, to come back if another body was available? And how would, being brought up in the fade with and educated by good and bad spirits, affect a person? Would he/she want revenge on the parent who had abandonned him/her and made this possible? Or would he/she only need to ask why, and perhaps get closure?
How interesting...

The reason why the ritual works, and doesn't kill the baby, is because at the time its little more than a fertilised egg with no soul.

Yes, I have to agree with you on that one -- I hadn't had my coffee yet.

[Sarah1281]

My personal interpretation of those dreams was actually what the characters actually wanted in their life. Like Stenn's for example. He was perfectly aware it was a dream, but he was content with that. Maybe not Wynne... but who cares about that old bat anyway!?

Have you seen Zevran's or Oghren's? Zevran's going through his pre-assassin torture to see if he can withstand interrogation and Oghren is at the Tapster's listening to everyone around him sneer at and belittle him. Zevran doesn't think he has any other options besides death so he's going to stay put and let them test him and Oghren says that he doesn't think he can do anything to top the jeerers unless you convince him to attack them.



Wynne is held where she is by regret. Leliana sees herself at the Chantry in Lothering trying to repent (and doesn't remember you) so she's seeking refuge and overcome by guilt for her former life. Alistair has the family he always wanted and so why would he leave the one place he finally belongs? Morrigan's mother controlls much of her life and she feels more comfortable in the Wilds than she does elsewhere and would probably still be there if Flemeth hadn't kicked her out. Sten is with his comrades doing his duty and due to the nature of the Qun he won't try and change anything.



It seems to me that the Fade was more designed to keep you where you were so you could die like Niall instead of escaping and wreaking havoc like the PC. As for the PC's dream, while there are plenty of Wardens who don't think just celebrating how awesome they are and telling tales of the glory days is their idea of a good time, if they are a GW and the darkspawn are gone they are purposelss. GW are supposed to give up their former lives and in the case of this particular Warden, they cannot go back until the game is over and they've proved themself a hero who can't be realistically be arrested for past actions/ is no longer an exile/has their family land restored/found a new clan. Since at that point in time whatever reason they had for leaving is still valid, if they don't have a Blight to stop they are directionless and could reasonably be expected to just stay there like everyone else. Even the people who knew they were in the Fade (Sten and Morrigan) were content to stay where they were and wait for you to show up when they could have done exactly what you did.

[Ceridraen]

I think she'd be a great mother. I never thought she was following in Flemeth's footsteps. I think she's a pagan with a heart, concealed in cynicism. (the fact she can fall blindly in love with your character, & becomes a devoted friend to a heroine uphold this) I think she's a practical eccentric, & unless you want Stepford Mum, that's the best kind of parent. (unless you get a drab, dull, unimaginative child, I guess - then send it off to boarding school.)