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[Snugglepus]

 These days, when there are no game demos, and you find out what you pay for only after you open a sealed box, piracy begins to look like the only way to determine if given product is worth its price, considering how game footage montage, developer interviews and bribed reviews are different from what you actually get. 
If everyone suddenly chooses philosophy of "If you like the game, buy it(After you played it)", will it motivate developers to be more interested in releasing best quality product possible to make their fans feel the need to pay for it as an honorable and well deserved act?
My answer is - most likely.

[JaegerBane]

Snugglepus wrote...

 These days, when there are no game demos, and you find out what you pay for only after you open a sealed box, piracy begins to look like the only way to determine if given product is worth its price, considering how game footage montage, developer interviews and bribed reviews are different from what you actually get. 
If everyone suddenly chooses philosophy of "If you like the game, buy it(After you played it)", will it motivate developers to be more interested in releasing best quality product possible to make their fans feel the need to pay for it as an honorable and well deserved act?
My answer is - most likely.

Ultimately, you can rationalise it all you want - at the end of the day, it's still stealing.

I mean, the model you mention above - 'If you like the game, buy it after playing it' - it's already been used before. Practically all games were released as shareware in the early days of PC gaming, one episode released and you could pay for the rest. It didn't stop piracy.

[Jenocide]

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Modifié par Jenocide, 21 mars 2010 - 12:28 .

[hexaligned]

Well that's the direction the industry is heading, if it isn't already there. I personally don't know a single gamer that doesn't live by the "demo" before you buy credo.

Expect this thread to get deleted though, game devs aren't keen on piracy threads on their boards.

Modifié par relhart, 21 mars 2010 - 12:33 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I pay to play. I generally try to read up on stuff before I buy it to minimize disappointments. Stealing is stealing, whatever you call it, however you rationalize it.



And honestly, how brainless do you have to be to post a topic on a company's official website and admit to pirating their games? Kids these days, I ****in swear...

[Snugglepus]

You missed the point. As a real fan and honorable person you will always pay for the game if devs did their job, and didn't sell you unfinished piece of junk wrapped up in false advertising and untrue reviews.

[worksa8]

It would hurt the game developer- but I doubt it would convince them to make a better game.

I would advise against piracy anyways...unless your ripping of Microsoft somehow- they deserve it xD

[Leon Elsa]

Whether the game is good or not, overpriced or disappointed, it still doesn't  justify piracy.

Modifié par Leon Elsa, 21 mars 2010 - 12:37 .

[Snugglepus]

outlaworacle wrote...

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I pay to play. I generally try to read up on stuff before I buy it to minimize disappointments. Stealing is stealing, whatever you call it, however you rationalize it.

And honestly, how brainless do you have to be to post a topic on a company's official website and admit to pirating their games? Kids these days, I ****in swear...

Read up? New game comes out, all super awesome wbsites give it 10/10, 9/10 etc, you rush off to buy it, play it and go WTF about people who wrote those reviews...

[Louis deGuerre]

Anyone who has a few brain cells can inform himself from hundreds of sources to see if the game is worth playing.

Buy your games if you want Bioware to keep on making them.

Finally...epic fail op.

[Bullets McDeath]

Snugglepuss, there's nothing honorable about downloading games for free, even if you do pay for it later. For the games you don't end up paying for, you still stole it. There's no other product in the world you could use this argument for (feel free to try if you want, I guess).

[DerHuhnTeufel]

Would you buy a car without taking it out for a test drive, or would you believe everything the dealer told you and just buy it as is? I can understand where Snugglepus is coming from even if I wouldn't pirate myself.



That being said, I don't feel the need to buy a game the day it comes out. I can wait for actual reviews to come out.

[Synnworld]

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

[Bullets McDeath]

Snugglepus wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I pay to play. I generally try to read up on stuff before I buy it to minimize disappointments. Stealing is stealing, whatever you call it, however you rationalize it.

And honestly, how brainless do you have to be to post a topic on a company's official website and admit to pirating their games? Kids these days, I ****in swear...

Read up? New game comes out, all super awesome wbsites give it 10/10, 9/10 etc, you rush off to buy it, play it and go WTF about people who wrote those reviews...

You can still make your own judgements, you know? A review is more than a score. There are plenty of 10-rated games I knew I wouldn't want to play after reading reviews, even the glowing ones. Even if alot of reviews are fluff, reading a handful should tell you enough about the game to make the decision for yourself.

The sad state of corporate sponsored videogame journalism does not somehow justify stealing ****. I hate to break it to you, but things cost money. That's how it works.

[Myusha]

If I'm in doubt I wait for someone to do a playthrough on youtube.

[Snugglepus]

DerHuhnTeufel wrote...

Would you buy a car without taking it out for a test drive, or would you believe everything the dealer told you and just buy it as is? I can understand where Snugglepus is coming from even if I wouldn't pirate myself.

That being said, I don't feel the need to buy a game the day it comes out. I can wait for actual reviews to come out.

I never had any doubts about any game on the shelf if it had Bioware logo on it, i came, i saw, i grabbed it. But after Awakening and all DLC crap i, have doubts.

Modifié par Snugglepus, 21 mars 2010 - 12:43 .

[Ryzaki]

...Piracy is not stealing. Good grief.



Its copyright infringement. Still illegal but it is not the same thing as stealing.

No I don't condone piracy. (Frankly you are better off just waiting and reading other people (mostly on gaming sites) reviews of the game and drawing your own opinion. But its not stealing and never will be. If you have a collection of books and someone steals it you no longer have that collection of books. If someone pirates that collection the original collection of books are perfectly safe and you still have them.

Also: Youtube videos are good when it comes to this kind of thing.

And the old borrowing your friend's games too. Sadly that's all my broke self is stuck with. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2010 - 12:47 .

[Kwanzaabot]

I miss shareware.

And the 20-odd floppy discs my Jazz Jackrabbit game came in.



Ah, those were the days...



It'd be nice if PC games had demos available more often, if only so I can see for myself if a game will run on my computer... some games can have rather misleading system requirements *coughGTAIVcough*, but what can you do?



Piracy is bad.

[Synnworld]

Technically I have no idea where to stand on piracy of games. On one hand I have pirated or two games, liked one and bought it, but the other one was no longer being sold in stores. On the other hand I am a student in game art and design, and I really don't know how I would feel if a game I put actual work into to make it decent was pirated.

[Snugglepus]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Piracy is not stealing. Good grief.



Its copyright infringement. Still illegal but it is not the same thing as stealing.

No I don't condone piracy. (Frankly you are better off just waiting and reading other people (mostly on gaming sites) reviews of the game and drawing your own opinion. But its not stealing and never will be.

How can you believe website reviews after they rated Awakening higher than DA:O itself? Its not even worth DA:Os dipers...

[the_one_54321]

Piracy hurts everyone involved with gaming. When everyone resorts to piracy, no one will make any more games. It really is that simple.



That said, given the subject matter, I'm guessing this thread will be locked before the end of the day.

[Synnworld]

Snugglepus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Piracy is not stealing. Good grief.



Its copyright infringement. Still illegal but it is not the same thing as stealing.

No I don't condone piracy. (Frankly you are better off just waiting and reading other people (mostly on gaming sites) reviews of the game and drawing your own opinion. But its not stealing and never will be.

How can you believe website reviews after they rated Awakening higher than DA:O itself? Its not even worth DA:Os dipers...

Bribe them to tell the truth XD.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well, you're kinda splitting hairs there, Ryzaki. You are enjoying full use of a product without the developer's seeing a cent. You're stealing from the company, they didn't make it so you could play it for free. They made it so you could buy it.



It's a slippery slope, logically. Technically the same could be leveled against loaning someone a game or buying a game used. But that's STILL not the same thought process as "i want to play this game but, y'know... **** paying for it." That is what makes it stealing.

[Ryzaki]

Snugglepus wrote...


How can you believe website reviews after they rated Awakening higher than DA:O itself? Its not even worth DA:Os dipers...

So how about you and several other people chip in pay about 5 bucks a piece (You'll only need 8 people) buy the game, spread it around and see if you all like it.

...then again I have the luxury of having about 10 gamer friends...some might not. In that case you're better off sticking with youtube.