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[Synnworld]

Freezingfire wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

And such measures are going to tilt other people to pirate away. It really doesn't work to focus a game on pirates, like AC2 or C&C4.

Pc gamers has always had the short end of the stick here, if we show our disagreement about such methods by boycotting a game that takes such measures, then chances are we are assuring later games down the line down get crossed over to the pc due to lack of  sells. On the other hand if you buy the game, we are ensuring this and other more for lack of a better word *drastic* measures will be implemented against us; just to weed out piracy.

thegreateski wrote...

Piracy is "renting" games from a store without paying or intending to give it back.


also known as stealing.

I only did it once...ok twice...three times and that is my final offer!

Modifié par Synnworld, 21 mars 2010 - 01:11 .

[Synnworld]

delete.

Modifié par Synnworld, 21 mars 2010 - 01:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Synnworld wrote...

Freezingfire wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

And such measures are going to tilt other people to pirate away. It really doesn't work to focus a game on pirates, like AC2 or C&C4.

Pc gamers has always had the short end of the stick here, if we show our disagreement about such methods by boycotting a game that takes such measures, then chances are we are assuring later games down the line down get crossed over to the pc due to lack of  sells. On the other hand if you buy the game, we are ensuring this and other more for lack of a better word *drastic* measures will be implemented against us; just to weed out piracy.

Meh you're just better off boycotting it though. I mean...at this point I just think Ubisoft just wants an excuse not to port to PC anymore. So *shrugs* Console it is.

...Though frankly that might be a good thing. It'll make things cheaper in the long run.

Also: uh...I already said I gave up on the argument. You don't need to go into a swearing storm.   Unlike most people on this boards I realize really early when someone is going to be bullheaded about something and that its a lost cause.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2010 - 01:14 .

[thegreateski]

Yes?

[JaegerBane]

Ryzaki wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


*shrugs* You lot want to insist that copyright infrigment is theft. Okay. So people who legally bought the game and use a no-cd exe stole the game. People who use mods that don't work of the game's provided tools are also thieves. Good to know.

Ryzaki, you've missed the point. People who are using a no-cd.exe are violating the EULA. They aren't commiting copyright infringement as they're not copying anything.

I'm not really sure why you're having such a hard time understanding the concept of theft of intellectual property. It's not like it's a difficult concept to grasp.

Whatever. Its theft. You win. Happy? 

Apparently the Supreme Court is wrong in face of your intelligence.

Unless the supreme court doesn't recognise Identity Theft, the only thing that is wrong is you ability to comprehend what is being discussed.

[Synnworld]

Ryzaki wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Freezingfire wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

And such measures are going to tilt other people to pirate away. It really doesn't work to focus a game on pirates, like AC2 or C&C4.

Pc gamers has always had the short end of the stick here, if we show our disagreement about such methods by boycotting a game that takes such measures, then chances are we are assuring later games down the line down get crossed over to the pc due to lack of  sells. On the other hand if you buy the game, we are ensuring this and other more for lack of a better word *drastic* measures will be implemented against us; just to weed out piracy.

Meh you're just better off boycotting it though. I mean...at this point I just think Ubisoft just wants an excuse not to port to PC anymore. So *shrugs* Console it is.

Also: uh...I already said I gave up on the argument. You don't need to go into a swearing storm.

I bleh on console, as long as pc games have the modding community then they will always remain superior!

[Jenocide]

Synnworld wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

i remember when PC had zillion of games coming out yearly. now we are lucky if we get 20 good titles a year.

[Bullets McDeath]

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh you're just better off boycotting it though. I mean...at this point I just think Ubisoft just wants an excuse not to port to PC anymore. So *shrugs* Console it is.

Also: uh...I already said I gave up on the argument. You don't need to go into a swearing storm.

Your surrender ninja'd my last statement. And **** **** **** Pepsi-Cola **** **** **** **** **** donkey **** **** **** **** mother****er however the **** i  want **** **** **** **** Leonardo Dicapario, thank you very much.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 21 mars 2010 - 01:16 .

[Snugglepus]

Synnworld wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Freezingfire wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

And such measures are going to tilt other people to pirate away. It really doesn't work to focus a game on pirates, like AC2 or C&C4.

Pc gamers has always had the short end of the stick here, if we show our disagreement about such methods by boycotting a game that takes such measures, then chances are we are assuring later games down the line down get crossed over to the pc due to lack of  sells. On the other hand if you buy the game, we are ensuring this and other more for lack of a better word *drastic* measures will be implemented against us; just to weed out piracy.

Meh you're just better off boycotting it though. I mean...at this point I just think Ubisoft just wants an excuse not to port to PC anymore. So *shrugs* Console it is.

Also: uh...I already said I gave up on the argument. You don't need to go into a swearing storm.

I bleh on console, as long as pc games have the modding community then they will always remain superior!

PC is an ultimate and universal device. Even if all games go console, than there will be emulators that will make them run on PC.

[Ryzaki]

JaegerBane wrote...
Unless the supreme court doesn't recognise Identity Theft, the only thing that is wrong is you ability to comprehend what is being discussed.

...You know what? You win. Happy?

Anyways. OP : Use youtube. There should be a playthrough by now. Here's a let's play: 
Anyways: Consoles are better than PCs. Always have been.
Also: I never understood the appeal of PC games for the most part. Playing with a keyboard irks me. Not to mention nothing beats a console for convience most of the time. And no securom. Thank god for that. Devs don't have to worry about piracy (yes I'm aware there's piracy on the consoles but its no where near the amount there is on PC), or a vast amount of system specs (all the consoles for the most part have extremely similar specs) so there's less bugs, and a better idea of high good they can make the graphics before hitting the point where they loose customers. Yes you get better graphics but otherwise *shrugs* Just personal preference.

And more and more big name companies are starting to cater nearly or exclusively to consoles.

...FF13....I hope its better.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[Synnworld]

Jenocide wrote...

Synnworld wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

.. piracy isn't good for games.
piracy is one of the main reason most company's don't make games for the PC.

Assassin creed 2 for pc.

i remember when PC had zillion of games coming out yearly. now we are lucky if we get 20 good titles a year.

There are still the matter of game emulators and console becoming more, and more hackable,

[JaegerBane]

Ryzaki wrote...


...You know what? You win. Happy? 

Ryzaki, no offence, but if you make silly arguments, someone will end up calling you on it. It doesn't speak highly of you to respond by throwing the toys out of the pram.

[Jenocide]

copyright infringement isn't "Stealing" its the act of copying something you don't own the right too. though most of the legal issues depend on where the company and the person taking the software live in. some nations view the two crimes as the same and others do not.

take a print of a movie = Stealing
video taping a movie in the theater = copyright infringement

Modifié par Jenocide, 21 mars 2010 - 01:22 .

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Don't copy that floppy! That is all I have to say

[Crippledcarny]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Don't copy that floppy!

This

[wowpwnslol]

Piracy - an excuse companies use to justify releasing piece of ****, overpriced games. If all piracy stopped tomorrow, do you think companies would drop their prices? Or improve quality? Wake up please.



Also - pirated game does not equal a lost sale. It's another lame myth video game companies made up. Most pirates would never have bought the game in the first place - so the actual effect of piracy as far as game sales go are minimal.



More likely, they're trying to shove overpriced trash down our throats and then cry about piracy when the game doesn't sell.

[Jenocide]

Ryzaki wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


*shrugs* You lot want to insist that copyright infrigment is theft. Okay. So people who legally bought the game and use a no-cd exe stole the game. People who use mods that don't work of the game's provided tools are also thieves. Good to know.

Ryzaki, you've missed the point. People who are using a no-cd.exe are violating the EULA. They aren't commiting copyright infringement as they're not copying anything.

I'm not really sure why you're having such a hard time understanding the concept of theft of intellectual property. It's not like it's a difficult concept to grasp.

Whatever. Its theft. You win. Happy? 

Apparently the Supreme Court is wrong in face of your intelligence.

Supreme Courts are wrong quite a bit though out history. And the UK / Canada / US Court all have very a differnt view's on this law.

[JaegerBane]

Jenocide wrote...

copyright infringement isn't "Stealing" its the act of copying something you don't own the right too. though most of the legal issues depend on where the company and the person taking the software live in. some nations view the two crimes as the same and others do not.

take a print of a movie = Stealing
video taping a movie in the theater = copyright infringement

The reason it's considered a form of theft in most nations is because you're benefitting from other's work.

Your example above would mean that you've effectively 'stolen' the work that was put into making the movie, as you're either have a copy of the film for free, or you're selling copies without ever actually paying the correct sum to the people who make it.

If I stole a car off the street, that would be theft.

If I took the designs for said car, and used them to create my own car and sold it on the open market, that would also be theft, as I'd acquired the result of the engineer's/designer's work without paying for it.

[Synnworld]

Ryzaki wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...
Unless the supreme court doesn't recognise Identity Theft, the only thing that is wrong is you ability to comprehend what is being discussed.

...You know what? You win. Happy? 

Anyways. OP : Use youtube. There should be a playthrough by now.
Anyways: Consoles are better than PCs. Always have been.
Also: I never understood the appeal of PC games for the most part. Playing with a keyboard irks me. Not to mention nothing beats a console for convience most of the time. And no securom. Thank god for that.

And more and more big name companies are started to cater nearly or exclusively to consoles.

1. To what is in bold, read the post above yours.
2. Really the fact like games like oblivion and dao itself true potential can only be tapped and exceeded only when those who enjoy modded games can gain access to them? Unlike consoles who can only get access to downloadable content by official releases, pc gamers get that plus much more do to mods. Thousands of mods fix problems left untouched, and sometimes I do believe some stuff is left that way by the developers for the modding community to come in and fix themselves.

Oblivion- magic didn't scale well, and still doesn't on console versions. Yet, on pc versions that not only had been fixed by multible mods, hundreds of new quest, better texturing, new items, and even new areas are being added to the point where oblivion is still being played to this day. One of my favorite mods basically pulls veronica from the bauldur's gate series and places her, as well as her story and romance into oblivion (with a better ending).

dao- it is still young, but there are already some decent mods out there, my current facorite is the shapeshifter mod and respec mod. I said it once and I'll say it again, high dragon and desire demon form FTW!

In this day in age fora game to survive on pc then it has to be moddable.

[Ryzaki]

Jenocide wrote...

Supreme Courts are wrong quite a bit though out history. And the UK / Canada / US Court all have very a differnt view's on this law.

True. Very true. *shrugs* I frankly could care less at this point. I don't know why I even opened my mouth in the first place.

Though OP do watch the Let's Play I linked you too. Its really good.

[Bullets McDeath]

wowpwnslol wrote...


Also - pirated game does not equal a lost sale. It's another lame myth video game companies made up. Most pirates would never have bought the game in the first place - so the actual effect of piracy as far as game sales go are minimal.
.

That still doesn't make it right. They are violating one of society's most basic systems- you want something, you pay for it. Intent to buy later on down the line or not isn't really all that relevant. They are, for free, enjoying an experience that other people agreed to pay for. It's really not a difficult concept but I remain simply amazed with the myriad ways people try to justify or decriminalize this behavior. Simply astounding.

[Ryzaki]

Synnworld wrote...

1. To what is in bold, read the post above yours.
2. Really the fact like games like oblivion and dao itself true potential can only be tapped and exceeded only when those who enjoy modded games can gain access to them? Unlike consoles who can only get access to downloadable content by official releases, pc gamers get that plus much more do to mods. Thousands of mods fix problems left untouched, and sometimes I do believe some stuff is left that way by the developers for the modding community to come in and fix themselves.

Oblivion- magic didn't scale well, and still doesn't on console versions. Yet, on pc versions that not only had been fixed by multible mods, hundreds of new quest, better texturing, new items, and even new areas are being added to the point where oblivion is still being played to this day. One of my favorite mods basically pulls veronica from the bauldur's gate series and places her, as well as her story and romance into oblivion (with a better ending).

dao- it is still young, but there are already some decent mods out there, my current facorite is the shapeshifter mod and respec mod. I said it once and I'll say it again, high dragon and desire demon form FTW!

In this day in age fora game to survive on pc then it has to be moddable.

1 is a joke and personal preference. That wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. 2...is actually true. PC versions may have more longevity but for the most part the console versions outsell the PC versions by large margins. Even DA's console versions outsold the PC version I believe. Though DA console versions are a joke. Really guys. Some of these bugs need to be fixed. I'm sick of having people complain  to me about the Dex bug. (Frankly I told him to just make a warrior instead but instead he complains *shrugs*) framrate issues. And I notice something funny console gamers are a lot more likely to be unforgiving about graphics than PC gamers are. Which...is hilarious ironic considieng PC has better graphics most of the time.

Though PC gaming has been dying an awful long tim. Someone needs to hurry up and end it already. Must be in so much agony by this point.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 mars 2010 - 01:36 .

[Jenocide]

JaegerBane wrote...

Jenocide wrote...

copyright infringement isn't "Stealing" its the act of copying something you don't own the right too. though most of the legal issues depend on where the company and the person taking the software live in. some nations view the two crimes as the same and others do not.

take a print of a movie = Stealing
video taping a movie in the theater = copyright infringement

The reason it's considered a form of theft in most nations is because you're benefitting from other's work.

Your example above would mean that you've effectively 'stolen' the work that was put into making the movie, as you're either have a copy of the film for free, or you're selling copies without ever actually paying the correct sum to the people who make it.

If I stole a car off the street, that would be theft.

If I took the designs for said car, and used them to create my own car and sold it on the open market, that would also be theft, as I'd acquired the result of the engineer's/designer's work without paying for it.

if you make a profit its stealing. 

[JaegerBane]

Jenocide wrote...

Supreme Courts are wrong quite a bit though out history. And the UK / Canada / US Court all have very a differnt view's on this law.

While you're correct, I don't think that was the point Ryzaki was trying to make. He was claiming that because the supreme court treat them differently means that they must be completely different.

Logically that isn't any different to saying that because manslaughter and murder are treated differently, murder doesn't involve killing as manslaughter does. At the end of the day the basic crime is the same.