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[Sfox1989]

So I was going to be starting an Arcane Warrior(tanking) for my next playthrough and I have been trying to find the best armor set...now to me Calian's seems to be the best bet with the -25% fatigue...but if anyone has a suggestion for a better armor set can someone point me in the right direction? This is normal difficulty.

[bobtheworm]

this really hard to say because I rather like being an arcane warrior. But there really isn't a set of armor mean for a mage. I mean you need something that has willpower on it but you will loose on mana regen.

[Sfox1989]

I got halfway through the game before as one and enjoyed it but accidently hardened Alistar during his quest that screwed up how I wanted my game to end so I started over with a 2h warrior which I finished the game with. But I want to start over with an AW now since I have a much better understanding of the game now and feel like I could really enjoy the difficulty of it

[asfaltowy]

try wade's armors (from dragon scales), they provide nice fatigue reduction as sets. also consider evon the great's mail available in wade's shop for 80 something gold, which can make a set with wade's heavy dragon armor. that's what im using now as aw

[Burningwolf]

Yea,I'm considering the medium set of wades superior dragon armor.I really like the look of scale armor and you trade off a touch of armor (from massive) for being reduced on the aggro list.I used Varathorn's armor all thru awakening and most of orgins on a Cleric(custom class,which is now basiclly broken)

I've got the winter's forge and I plan to downgrade wade's to silverite.The red just dosent do it for me at all.

[Burningwolf]

Yea,I'm considering the medium set of wades superior dragon armor.I really like the look of scale armor and you trade off a touch of armor (from massive) for being reduced on the aggro list.I used Varathorn's armor all thru awakening and most of orgins on a Cleric(custom class,which is now basiclly broken)

I've got the winter's forge and I plan to downgrade wade's to silverite.The red just dosent do it for me at all.

[Ozzlok]

asfaltowy wrote...

try wade's armors (from dragon scales), they provide nice fatigue reduction as sets. also consider evon the great's mail available in wade's shop for 80 something gold, which can make a set with wade's heavy dragon armor. that's what im using now as aw

I agree. I just completed a 2h tank playthrough and you can't beat Wade's Dragonscale conbined with Evon the greats. You still get the set bonus plus huge fatigue reduction and great protection. My 2H warrior was tanking, taking the hits, and because of the fatigue reduction was still able to swing away and do huge damage.

[Sfox1989]

Wierd I didn't realize that Wade's armor was so great for the AW and that it outwieghs Calian's armor so much. Guess I will have to try it out.

[dkristof]

Cailan's Armor is probably the best armor set for Mage/AW. Make sure you sell it to one of the Dryden merchants and rebuy it to upgrade it to tier 7. (I think you may need to be level 11 to get tier 7? not sure. Or alternately you may be able to upgrade using party storage chest)
The health regen from Cailan's Armor (5hp) plus Lifegiver (3hp) is insane. If you use blood magic as your second spec the hp regen doubles as mana regen as well, not to mention -25% fatigue from BM and another -25% fatigue from Cailan's Set bonus.
You can also get ridiculously high armor and basically you can't get hit for more than single digit damage by anything except orange bosses and you regen faster than anything else can hurt you.Cailan's Set = 36.51 armorRock Armor = 12.25 armorLifegiver = 3 armor
For a total of 52 armor. Even in DAA there is no armor that matches this set for a Mage/AW, nothing even close. (try AW/BM/Keeper with max vitality skills and 3 +14 con armor runes for an unkillable killing machine) The ONLY time it might make sense to use Wade's Dragonscale/Dragonbone is if you beat the high dragon before doing Flemeth and you want to use the Dragon armor vs Flemeth for fire resist, but you're better off just using a warmth balm with Cailan's Armor. 

I am pretty sure no one will argue that Helm of Honnleath is the best helm to use (other than maybe Corruption but that doesn't come until last area so it is not really useful).

Basic comarison:
Cailan's Armor Set vs. Evon the Great's Mail + Superior Dragonscale Boots/Gloves + Helm of Honnleath:
Cailan's Set over Evon/Dragon/HoH: +4 hp regen, +4.75 armor, +10 dodge, +10 mental resist, +15 phys resist, +15 crit dmg, FREE - COSTS 0 GOLD.
Evon/Dragon/HoH over Cailan: +40% fire resist, +3 mana regen, +10 defense vs missiles, +2 to all stats, -8% fatigue

Basically Cailan's Armor set is all about survivability and utility and syncs perfectly with AW and Blood Magic. (not that there is any question as to what your second mage spec would be anyways since Shapeshifting is all around terrible and Spirit Healer is just mediocre)  
Evon/Dragon/HoH gives you some mana regen that doesn't help at all, some fire resist that only helps for 1 fight in the entire game, some missile defense that is easily trumped by the dodge/armor/regen on Cailan's, and +2 stats which is nice, although not a noticable boost in any area, and -8% fatigue which is barely noticeable and easily countered by a lyrium pot or blood magic.

Cailan's gives you +10 dodge (AMAZING), +4.75 armor (AMAZING), +4 hp regen (AMAZING), +10 mental resist (not really needed since as a mage you should be putting every single stat point into magic), +15 phys resist (AMAZING since mages have crap for phys resist), +15 crit dmg (useless unless you are actually playing a melee AW), and it is FREE! you get it for doing RtO and don't have to spend any money on it at all except for upgrading it by selling.buying back from Dryden's, but I have heard you may just be able to put it in your party storage chest for a free upgrade although I never tried it. 


Anyways basically there is no possible way any other armor combination in the game can compare to Cailan's Armor set for an Arcane Warrior. 


EDIT: I forgot about the fatigue difference from heavy to massive armor, edited differences to reflect correct fatigue differences.

Modifié par dkristof, 25 mars 2010 - 10:30 .

[Sfox1989]

I thought the same dkristof thank you for the clear outline on why it is better. I am assuming the weapon set is good too?

[dkristof]

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[asfaltowy]

my imported cailan's armor had no rune slots. is it normal? i mean then it becomes less useful, as some runes are pretty nasty.



but on the other hand i will still use evon+dragon armor with s/s.



btw im currently on my warrior tank DA:A playthrough and respeced Velanna to keeper / aw / battlemage. it is ridicoulus (on hard), try keeper spells when surrounded by enemies with 80+ magic.



hint - try legion of the dead heraldy (wont spoil the fun, go to amartine and check it)

[Xeremius]

dkristof wrote...

Cailan's Armor is by far the best armor set for Mage/AW, no question about it. Make sure you sell it to one of the Dryden merchants and rebuy it to upgrade it to tier 7. (I think you may need to be level 11 to get tier 7? not sure. Or alternately you may be able to upgrade using party storage chest)
The health regen from Cailan's Armor (5hp) plus Lifegiver (3hp) is insane. If you use blood magic as your second spec the hp regen doubles as mana regen as well, not to mention -25% fatigue from BM and another -25% fatigue from Cailan's Set bonus.
You can also get ridiculously high armor and basically you can't get hit for more than single digit damage by anything except orange bosses and you regen faster than anything else can hurt you.Cailan's Set = 36.51 armorRock Armor = 12.25 armorLifegiver = 3 armor
For a total of 52 armor. Even in DAA there is no armor that matches this set for a Mage/AW, nothing even close. (try AW/BM/Keeper with max vitality skills and 3 +14 con armor runes for an unkillable killing machine) The ONLY time it might make sense to use Wade's Dragonscale/Dragonbone is if you beat the high dragon before doing Flemeth and you want to use the Dragon armor vs Flemeth for fire resist, but you're better off just using a warmth balm with Cailan's Armor. 

I am pretty sure no one will argue that Helm of Honnleath is the best helm to use (other than maybe Corruption but that doesn't come until last area so it is not really useful).

Basic comarison:
Cailan's Armor Set vs. Evon the Great's Mail + Superior Dragonscale Boots/Gloves + Helm of Honnleath:
Cailan's Set over Evon/Dragon/HoH: +4 hp regen, +4.75 armor, +10 dodge, +10 mental resist, +15 phys resist, +15 crit dmg, -5% fatigue, FREE - COSTS 0 GOLD.
Evon/Dragon/HoH over Cailan: +40% fire resist, +3 mana regen, +10 defense vs missiles, +2 to all stats

Basically Cailan's Armor set is all about survivability and utility and syncs perfectly with AW and Blood Magic. (not that there is any question as to what your second mage spec would be anyways since Shapeshifting is all around terrible and Spirit Healer is just mediocre)  
Evon/Dragon/HoH gives you some mana regen that doesn't help at all, some fire resist that only helps for 1 fight in the entire game, some missile defense that is easily trumped by the dodge/armor/regen on Cailan's, and +2 stats which is nice, but nothing in comparison to the Cailan bonuses.

Cailan's gives you +10 dodge (AMAZING), +4.75 armor (AMAZING), +4 hp regen (AMAZING), +10 mental resist (not really needed since as a mage you should be putting every single stat point into magic), +15 phys resist (AMAZING since mages have crap for phys resist), +15 crit dmg (useless unless you are actually playing a melee AW), and -5% fatigue (very nice although not truly that beneficial), and it is FREE! you get it for doing RtO and don't have to spend any money on it at all except for upgrading it by selling.buying back from Dryden's, but I have heard you may just be able to put it in your party storage chest for a free upgrade although I never tried it. 


Anyways basically there is no possible way any other armor combination in the game can compare to Cailan's Armor set for an Arcane Warrior. 

I would just underline that this biased comparison only apply when you want to play an AW as a melee tank...but why don't you play a warrior instead ?
If you want to play an AW as a mage protected by a good armor, Wade's medium superior armor is a far better compromise...
No offence intended, but I'm still worried when I read such definitive opinions...

Modifié par Xeremius, 21 mars 2010 - 08:40 .

[Sfox1989]

Well I am intending to play as an offensive tank so I can open my party slots abit to other characters I like being around more (always stuck with either Shale or Alistar tanking for the party). Plus I like the fighting animation with a shield =P

[Sfox1989]

And the simple answer to the 'why not just be a warrior tank'....because I want to be able to cast spells? Mages have a TON more variety play style wise then the warrior imo due to the many spell trees.

[Xeremius]

Sfox1989 wrote...

And the simple answer to the 'why not just be a warrior tank'....because I want to be able to cast spells? Mages have a TON more variety play style wise then the warrior imo due to the many spell trees.

That's why AW is my favorite class...
I just wanted to underline that there is no best equipment set, many good intended advices just forget that it all depends on your playstyle...

[Sfox1989]

Xeremius wrote...

Sfox1989 wrote...

And the simple answer to the 'why not just be a warrior tank'....because I want to be able to cast spells? Mages have a TON more variety play style wise then the warrior imo due to the many spell trees.

That's why AW is my favorite class...
I just wanted to underline that there is no best equipment set, many good intended advices just forget that it all depends on your playstyle...

Indeed, this is why I really want to get into making an AW. Yes, a warrior tank might be better in some circumstances but all you have is your one tree basically. I am playing through Awakening on my 2H warrior right now and I have run out of abilities to pick that would be any use to me. As a mage...there are tons of spells to pick and choose from and I am not limited to what I am wielding to use it (besides the steathing the weapon thing but I can work around that). Thats why the AW is so appealing to me over a warrior is just the amount of options available to me. Plus an AW/BM/Battlemage combo sounds magically delicious.

[dkristof]

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[Mr_Raider]

Evon + Wade'sis critical for AW's because it can give you the same armor as massive armor for only 3.6% net fatigue. The mana regen is a big deal. It allows you to keep shimmering shield up without draining your mana. You just don't take that much damage as an AW, so the extra health regen form cailan's armor is best given to a warrior in the party.

[Xeremius]

Mr_Raider wrote...

Evon + Wade'sis critical for AW's because it can give you the same armor as massive armor for only 3.6% net fatigue. The mana regen is a big deal. It allows you to keep shimmering shield up without draining your mana. You just don't take that much damage as an AW, so the extra health regen form cailan's armor is best given to a warrior in the party.

Thanks for helping me open the mind of this poor guy but I think it's hopeless ...

[flagondotcom]

Agree with Mr_Raider, and not quite sure why drkristof has such strong opinions that are stated as fact without actually providing a fair comparison.



On AW main (pictured) I've got plenty of health regen from other items regardless of what armor I'm wearing. And I've tried Cailan's armor, and other combos, and I'm still in Evon's mail plus the other Wade's pieces to make a set. I'm a casting AW, and on the few occasions where I've needed to "turn on" the AW powers, as soon as I do no one can hit me.



I run around with no sustainables other than perhaps Haste, and beat the snot out of the bad guys.



Period.

[kidnotorious15]

Sfox1989 wrote...

So I was going to be starting an Arcane Warrior(tanking) for my next playthrough and I have been trying to find the best armor set...now to me Calian's seems to be the best bet with the -25% fatigue...but if anyone has a suggestion for a better armor set can someone point me in the right direction? This is normal difficulty.

It actually depends on how you play your AW. If you relly on bloodmagic to cast spells, then yes, Cailan's arms is superior without question (Do remember that the set bonus will only work if you equip it with the helm, I once played an entire playthrough with helm of honneleth thinking that I already have the set bonus).

If you preffer to cast spells with mana I'd go with Evon's + Wade's superior dragonscale gloves and boots. If you still insist on running with Cailan's arms with this type of AW then the set bonus which adds +health regen is useless.

[Novadove]

i agree with kidnotorious15



i bring 1 bard and 2 AW purely for haste and cure while i solo everything with my bard.

i let one wear evon with a total of 45% attack dodge, 6 mana regen.

the other is full magic resist build of 65% in reaper's vestment.



cailan's mail on the other hand, in my opinion, is one of the useless armor compare to many others

no matter how i combine.



but again, i am a heavy magic resist build person =P

[dkristof]

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[Novadove]

on paper, cailen set looks good. but in actual play, would u want enemy to hit you and you regen or would you want your character to dodge almost every attack with minimal hp regen?

full set cailen might be like what you describe. but personally, i prefer storm chaser glove, evon mail, a +10% resist all +10% dodge and evade missle attack boot ( forgot the name) and put on any good helm (even storm chaser helm or sentinel is better than cailen helm).

-25% fatique in high level is so unimportant due to large amout of mana so it is no longer attractive anymore.

none of my character wears whole full set simply because mix and match effect is far far stronger than wearing one full set.

defensive AW pumping armor is kinda useless.
offensive AW should focus on mana regen, magic resist and dodging
offensive bloodmage AW should focus on dodging, magic resist and spellpower. NOT hp regen.

the point is NOT trying to achieve the highest hp regen so monster can hit me longer, but rather, i can dodge at the same time while not interrupting my spell casting and highest spellpower so i can deal largest amount of damage in the shortest time.

of course this applies to tank AW. if not then perhaps people should learn how to play tank AW in the right manner?

Modifié par Novadove, 22 mars 2010 - 04:24 .