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[Sarah1281]

dwarf + human = human.

No, dwarf + human = half-dwarf. We just haven't seen any in the game.

I can't see why there can't be a choice to either continue as the Grey Warden from DA:O (or even a new, Orlesian one from DA:Awakening) and have a new character. Both 'camps' are happy (well, not really...as no one is ever really 'happy', it would seem *shrugs*).

Well it's like what happened when that was an option in Awakening: it comes up once or twice and Nathaniel comments if you're a HN, Sigrun if you're a DN, ect. but that's it. Having to fit six possible origins into the plot AND a whole new Warden...the more they have to do the less intricate it will be.

[Behindyounow]

Why does the next game have to be about Grey Wardens? If its about a Qunari invasion, as Sten hinted at, why would you play as a Grey warden?

[Sparks1987]

Behindyounow wrote...

Why does the next game have to be about Grey Wardens? If its about a Qunari invasion, as Sten hinted at, why would you play as a Grey warden?

Obviously we are the only one that know Sten loves cake so we can avert the Qun invasion for the price of 1 measly cake!

[gotthammer]

Sparks1987 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Why does the next game have to be about Grey Wardens? If its about a Qunari invasion, as Sten hinted at, why would you play as a Grey warden?

Obviously we are the only one that know Sten loves cake so we can avert the Qun invasion for the price of 1 measly cake!

Good point!

[Taurias]

Did anyone else get the Morrigan pregnant ending no matter what happened, or was it just me? Whether your wardens do it or not, she seems to end up pregnant, so playing her child isn't out of the question. Or, which is more likely, she is just continuing Flemeth's tradition as expected and expect her to return as a villian or party member in a new body later.

Edit:  And it was cookies!

Modifié par Taurias, 21 mars 2010 - 05:46 .

[Behindyounow]

You better not play as her child. Otherwise theres no more origins and you have to be a human.



Although, regarding Taurias' post about Morrigan being pregnant no matter what you chose:

Did you play as a male warden and sleep with her at the camp?

[Sarah1281]

If you play as a girl or don't sleep with her, she just ends up not-pregnant in Orlais.

[Sparks1987]

Taurias wrote...

Did anyone else get the Morrigan pregnant ending no matter what happened, or was it just me? Whether your wardens do it or not, she seems to end up pregnant, so playing her child isn't out of the question. Or, which is more likely, she is just continuing Flemeth's tradition as expected and expect her to return as a villian or party member in a new body later.

Edit:  And it was cookies!

If you survive he will tell you that the cake is a lie in the end so it's cake and cookies
You'll get the Morrigan pregnant ending if you have slept with her during the game aswell even when you denie the ritual she'll end up pregnant but then I guess it'd be a normal baby.

I let Loghain kill the archdemon and denied the ritual and nowhere in my epilogue Morrigan is pregnant so maybe you slept with her during the game?

[JamieCOTC]

I played a female city elf and did the US in one playthrough. In the end Morrigan was in Orlais, weaseling her way through the Orlesian Court. As for Morrigan's baby, does anyone else think that it really wasn't a set up for a sequel, but more a test of character?

[BubbleDncr]

Dragon Age: Origins was an epic journey, not the start of one.

I would actually think that the fact that "Origins" was in the title, that it sets it up as the start of an epic journey...

[Nyaore]

BubbleDncr wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins was an epic journey, not the start of one.

I would actually think that the fact that "Origins" was in the title, that it sets it up as the start of an epic journey...

Normally that would be the case, if not for the fact that one of the biggest attractions in the game was the ability to choose your origins - which is what the title is implying. If that weren't the case, then yes it would definitely work as a good lead in for the first game in a continuing series for a specific character.

[Bratt1204]

BubbleDncr wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins was an epic journey, not the start of one.

I would actually think that the fact that "Origins" was in the title, that it sets it up as the start of an epic journey...

I concur.

[Sarah1281]

Normally that would be the case, if not for the fact that one of the biggest attractions in the game was the ability to choose your origins - which is what the title is implying. If that weren't the case, then yes it would definitely work as a good lead in for the first game in a continuing series for a specific character.

I don't think they'd name part of the game on the fact your PC can be one of several different people but the events of the game do usher in a new age (the Dragon Age?). If it takes place in the same century then even without the same Warden the title would fit.

[Count Viceroy]

There's so much potential for great stories in the rest of thedas. Leave the warden be and start of with something new. I seem to recall bioware saying the next title wouldn't have anything to do with darkspawn or blights, which would suggest they're doing just that.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 21 mars 2010 - 07:41 .

[Nyaore]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Normally that would be the case, if not for the fact that one of the biggest attractions in the game was the ability to choose your origins - which is what the title is implying. If that weren't the case, then yes it would definitely work as a good lead in for the first game in a continuing series for a specific character.

I don't think they'd name part of the game on the fact your PC can be one of several different people but the events of the game do usher in a new age (the Dragon Age?). If it takes place in the same century then even without the same Warden the title would fit.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ages
Problem with that theory is that we're already thirty years into the Dragon Age by the time Origins takes place.

Modifié par Nyaore, 21 mars 2010 - 07:43 .

[Leifa]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Really great post. I would absolutely prefer to continue with my Origins Warden in future games as well. I believe Origins was just the beginning and feel there is much more left of this story to unfold. We need to find out about Morrigan, Flemeth, Alistair and even Avernus. Who is Alistair's true mother? Will he continue reigning as King? Will my PC and Alistair be able to conceive an heir even though they both carry the taint? I would love to have him back as my companion again as King or other. What were the consequences for our actions with Flemeth if we killed her or let her live? What about Avernus' research in regards to the taint? There is too much storyline to follow up on from Origins, I cannot image a follow up sequel to just start with a new character and new storyline. That concept would not tie into anything and would feel like a completely separate game. Who knows what direction Bioware is heading, I for one want to see a logical storyline continuation.  

My humble thanks. It's not much - was thought out in about 15 minutes. But I thought I'd put it here for those who  think there is no possible way for us to have continuation with DA:O.


But as to what you said, that is exactly how I feel. Those questions you bring up are some I would also like to have answered.

BioWare did a masterpiece with DA:O, in touching us so deeply with little 3D characters. Honestly, there were other games I liked, but I never spent time, with my family, discussing what happened to the NPCs after the game was over.
It was over, period.
But with DA:O, BioWare has done what every other game developers hope to achive, and very few succede at: it has created a need -- not only because the fighting is great and fun, but on an emotional level. And as much as I truly hate the fact that BioWare has so much power over my delicate sensibilities, I continue to have hope that, in the end, our need for continuation will be met.


EDIT: small detail

Modifié par Leifa, 21 mars 2010 - 08:26 .

[RogueWriter3201]

I can understand the Viewpoints of the OP. They were well thought out and communicated.
However, I can not agree with them. As I understand it, the predominant reason for DA:2 to
*not* feature the Warden Commander as the central character is for the fact that the game
was designed to introduce players to the pivitol events occuring during Thedas's Dragon Age,
and not the Character him/herself. To this I would have to say...not really.

Comparison's are made to Baldur's Gate and ME, in that these games were centered around
a single character and his/her impact on the world and events around them and not the other
way around. However, despite being able to choose multiple Origins for your Hero, to say that
they are not important to the overall Dragon Age Saga, i.e. *they* are not the Story, is just a bit
myopic. In point of fact, there is Plenty to indicate that your Warden *is* the Focus of the Overall
Saga.

Firstly, we have the complete and utter decimation of the Grey Wardens of Fereldon, save you
and Alistair. Though he is a Strong character (in his own way) Alistair is not a contender to
carry the greater Story onward. Rebuilding the Grey Wardens falls on the Shoulders of your
Hero and him/her alone. It is clear, both from the Novels and the backstory plot introduced
in Origins, that Fereldan was just the Start of a much Larger Evil that the world is Ill prepared
for. Short of Orlais and the Qunari, the rest of Thedas is just too wraped up in thier own internal
politics to notice the great darkness decending on them.

Second, we have the Warden's interactions with the Architect, the Mother, etc. Interactions that
foretell of much concerning the Warden, though for the sake of spoilers I won't mention them
here. However, it's all too telling that the Warden's destiny is tied up deeply with Maric's and the
Great Evil behind the Darkspawn. If the Warden is *not* the central Hero of this Saga, his/her
destiny would not have such a pivitol link to what had come before and what has yet to pass.

Third: The Ultimate Sacrifice. Yes, players were given the option to have thier respective Hero
take the bullet, so to speak. However, in Awakening, the Warden lives, with little to no
explanation given. Yes, you can choose to play as the Orlesian, but the underlying plot changes
seen and hinted at when doing so demonstraight (spelling?) that the Orlesian Warden was never intended
to have the same impact on the overall Saga as our initial Hero from Origins. The fact that
Bioware even set things up so that your Warden could return is a strong hint that Bioware has
Always intended for the Warden to continue on to DA:2. Otherwise, he/she would have stayed
dead or *not* been the focus at all. 

And yes, 'Evil' Chris has mentioned that the Warden was brought back so as to allow players
to keep thier Hero, but anyone paying attention has been able to come to the rational conclusion
that the Warden being alive at the close of the events of Origins is the *Canon* Story. Things like
Morrigan's God Child or Leli as a LI are up for debate and not nessasarily as pivitol to the overall
plot as the Warden living to reach DA:2. The ME Saga handled thier own LIs in much the same
way. 

Fourth: In all thier respective promotions for the Saga, Bioware has always used the Grey Warden
of Origins as thier movable center for the Story. In other words, though time moves on, and the Story's
respective locations shift and change, *The* Grey Warden is always at the heart of it. Not once has
Bioware ever forcused more on the Story than the Warden. Everything introduced in Origins and
onward has been wrapped around the Warden; it's never simply been the Warden *witnessing*
these events. He/She has helped to shape thier outcomes in a crucial way that not even Maric
achieved.

Now, in the end, people love *options*. In thier Characters and thier Story. Bioware has always
given options on both fronts; and, in DA:A we even had the option for the Warden to be dead and
for a new character to take the Stage. However, the Orlesian's impact on the Story really only
encompasses a small Chapter in the overall Epic if you choose to go that route. The Hero of
Origins impact is far more significant. As such, you *will* see the Grey Warden Commander 
returning for DA:2, to think otherwise is Folly. Now, that is not to say players will not have other 
options.

Though I do not see the Orlesian Warden returning for DA:2 I do anticipate thier being
another or new Character Origins avaialble for DA:2. The fact that David Gaider and the Writers 
are looking to streamline the dialogue for the series, in essence more companion info for less 
conversation work, it really hints that Bioware is creating a system to incorporate many more 
options for not only our Origin's Hero, but for new Protaganists as well.  

To close, Dragon Age *Is* and always has been about the Grey Warden (Cousland, Amell, Aeducan, etc)
and as such, the Story will always focus on them. And though there will be options to play as
new characters, the Warden Hero of Orgins has always been meant to stay. Now, I can not convince
the OP or others to see my way, they will come to thier own respective conclusions based on
observations or personel preference. None the less, the facts for the Warden *are* there, for those
who chose to see the obvious. Just my Two Cents.

[Leifa]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Leifa wrote...

SDNcN wrote...


There was the problem of the Darkspawn remaining above surface post Origins, but that was taken care of in Awakening. What exactly is left for the PC to accomplish that really can’t be accomplished by anyone else?

It appears that you didn't read the books; for, if you had, you would know that the sleeping Old Gods that remain could be awakened at any moment. And no, the killing of an Archdemon cannot be accomplished by anyone else than a Grey Warden.

More Morrigan!

Morrigan ending up with a child, god or not, is only one of a number of possible outcomes.  Unless the people who want this to be the focus of a sequel also want it forced on as a cannon ending, this event making up an entire sequel seems ridiculous. 

Ridiculous?

Try this for a story:

Flemeth is an abomination. Initially, Morrigan obeys her mother and goes with the PC to get the essence of the Old God.
 
Morrigan learns of her mother’s plan to take her body. She asks us to kill Flemeth to buy her time. She knows that Flemeth will be back – that’s what abominations do, they look for a potential victim and possess it.
 
Morrigan realizes that the only way she can stop Flemeth from taken her body, is to be more powerful than her. 

On the other hand, the Architect has learned of Morrigan's child, which has the soul an old God and the blood of a Grey Warden. After she gave birth, he approached her and told that since her child has Grey warden blood and the essence of an Old God, he could use that child to lead the darkspawns and bring peace to his people.
 
Flemeth wants Morrigan. Her true plan was much deeper than we thought – in fact, what she wants is to inhabit the body of Morrigan’s child. Why? What do darkspawns look for, what is their obsession, why do they spend centuries digging? To find and follow an Old God – Flemeth wants that power over them and she’s an abomination capable of attaching itself to it’s very soul.


Morrigan runs back to you for help. There are two possible scenarios.
 
If you killed the Architect, she now needs protection from Flemeth.
If you let the Architect live, the Architect signs you up to fight Flemeth.

Now the reason why Morrigan was so distant with the PC is that, by the end of Origins – when she tells you that she heard a rumour that Flemeth’s old grimoire was in the mage tower, it was the Architect, in fact, who had told her.
 
Because, if you ever read the books, you know that the Architect was once in the mage tower, and that he is an avid reader.   

So DA:O 2 could be an end of all blights by protecting Morrigan’s child who, if he/she turns out to be a good-hearted person, would bring peace to the Darspawns. Of course, that child may turn out to be not-so-nice, in which case, hello DA:O 3… But that story is to be told at another time.

 
But I am so attached to my character and their companions![/b]

And so people want more time adventuring with them? This is understandable, but more for sake of more is
hardly a compelling reason to continue to use them. Posts asking for adventures in Orlais with Leliana or in Antiva with Zevran tend to focus on how utterly amazing it would be to see another area of Thedas with their favorite companion, but gloss over why exactly it is absolutely important for the PC and their companions to be there.

 
Read above – with that idea, you could bring everyone else back if you wish, or just Lelianna and Zevran, and take Anders and whoever else is new from another expansion pack.
And yes, many many of us want our companions back. And if BioWare brings them back, that means BIG revenues for the company.
 
And that’s just a few of my ideas, I’m sure the people at BioWare (namely David Gaider) could come up with a dozen better ones.
 
 


EDIT: Typo

Really great post. I would absolutely prefer to continue with my Origins Warden in future games as well. I believe Origins was just the beginning and feel there is much more left of this story to unfold. We need to find out about Morrigan, Flemeth, Alistair and even Avernus. Who is Alistair's true mother? Will he continue reigning as King? Will my PC and Alistair be able to conceive an heir even though they both carry the taint? I would love to have him back as my companion again as King or other. What were the consequences for our actions with Flemeth if we killed her or let her live? What about Avernus' research in regards to the taint? There is too much storyline to follow up on from Origins, I cannot image a follow up sequel to just start with a new character and new storyline. That concept would not tie into anything and would feel like a completely separate game. Who knows what direction Bioware is heading, I for one want to see a logical storyline continuation.  

I totally agree, if there weren't so many loose ends, I'd be more than happy with a new character but at this time, so much hasn't been told/concluded.

Yeah, and let's hope that others - who don't agree with us "yet" - come to see how wonderful it could be to have continuation with DA:O.

[Behindyounow]

Leifa wrote...

Yeah, and let's hope that others - who don't agree with us "yet" - come to see how wonderful it could be to have continuation with DA:O.

Why though? Why would we need the continuation?

Its doubtful the darkspawn are going to be the main antagonists of the next game, so why would Grey Wardens get involved?

[Malanek]

There are certainly plenty of loose ends or avenues where a sequel could go. However they are all so diverse that I can't see them being tied together in a meaningful way. I wouldn't mind a cannon story being created with some of the bigger events making their mark and impacting the history of the world by being referred to in DA2. Otherwise, I think those unanswered questions would be better left to live on in players imaginations.

I think the Qunari invasion would be a good premise to start with in DA2, but the true villian should be something ancient from Tevinter imperium that seeks to use the chaos for it's own ends.

[JMA22TB]

Absolutely agree with the Original Poster.

DA:O is the story of Ferelden and the Grey Warden. You could move the plot any number of ways, but in the end it's about Ferelden starting out one way and ending up how you as the player formed it. Awakening finished the darkspawn remnants in Ferelden and there's really not much that can be expanded upon, other than a romance pack.

Orlais is heavily referenced in DA:O and you can even be an Orleisan in Awakening, so I think it's pretty obvious that's the next step in the series. Morrigan appeared to be heading there at the end of the story, whether you, Loghain or Alistair knocked her up or not. It would make sense to have the Old God child outcome be made canon, since that's too much of a good plot not to be continued. As far as an imported save, which I hope they do to give the DA:O experience weight moving forward, all you have to do is take the epilogue data from both and apply it to DA2.

An idea for the plot I think could work would be an investigation into the darkspawn by Orlais' Grey Wardens in the wake of the Architect's actions in Amaranthine. Sentience in the darkspawn suggests evolution, and that's not something anyone should be comfortable with, especially the home of the Chantry and maybe the largest military power in Thedas. As far as the player is concerned, have them prove heroics in an origin story that shows their aptitude. The Chevaliers are hinted at for being powerful but also a bit ruthless, so the stories could revolve around helping good ones or beating some bad ones' asses from different perspectives. The Dales are right next to Orlais, so there'd be room for them as well. You prove your power, and the Grey Wardens conscript you.

Ultimately, the investigation could lead up to the location somewhere in the Deep Roads of another Old God, with the darkspawn frantically trying to reach it first, which you prevent. Maybe the Architect helps you, since he wants the darkspawn to be free of the Archdemons. The sentient darkspawn you defeated might not have been all of them, so it would make sense that a new, rash one decides to lead the new batch to look smarter to find the next slumbering Old God. You could make a big-time decision here, and it would be a perfect place to put Morrigan. It's clear she has an interest in the Old Gods, and Flemeth put her on the path, so I doubt there isn't some kind of spell she can cook up to wake the dragon up and help unshackle it. Of course, if you're a Chantry do-gooder, it's too much a risk to let this thing live. Complicated decision, since we dont' really know why the Maker did away with the Old Gods other than the idea that he didn't like them getting in his way.

What if the Old Gods were more benevolent than how the Chantry has painted them? What if 'the Maker' is an ancient mage who betrayed his people to become a god when they found the Golden City in the Fade? That would explain deliberately creating the darkspawn to undermine the Old Gods and systematically destroy them through the Blights, ending with him having absolute power. O.o. If you tip that balance, you could battle a god in the Dragon Age story (!!!!) Just an idea

Modifié par JMA22TB, 21 mars 2010 - 09:21 .

[Sarah1281]

I really hope the sequel isn't set in Orlais. An entire gameful of Orlesien accents...oh dear God...I had enough difficulty just dealing with Marjolaine's. It was like 'I know you don't want to give into your hate and kill her, Leliana, but she just will NOT STOP TALKING.' If hers is any indication of how most Orleisen's sound then I'm going to have to rely on the subtitles. Leliana and Riordan's accents weren't that bad, but they were born in Ferelden and had spent time there so lessen it.

I know Isolde was from Orlais too and while her accent was also lessened, it also aggravated a lot of people.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 21 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[Leifa]

Behindyounow wrote...

Leifa wrote...

Yeah, and let's hope that others - who don't agree with us "yet" - come to see how wonderful it could be to have continuation with DA:O.

Why though? Why would we need the continuation?

Its doubtful the darkspawn are going to be the main antagonists of the next game, so why would Grey Wardens get involved?

Why? Simply because so many of us want it.

People who are resisting the continuation have no definite idea of what they would want - they are, for the most part, open to anything good that would make sense.

But, on the other hand, we know what we want.

Now I'm sure that you'll agree with me if I say that, if BioWare does make a good continuation including Alistair, Morrigan, Lelianna and Zevran, with Anders and some other companion, you and everyone will get into it and love it.

But i'm not so sure that those, who want continuation, would be so happy at having their need for continuation - and please forgive the redundance - unmet. They would feel sad and disappointed. 

The people in charge of deciding those things at BioWare have to understand that many still care about those little 3D companions, and the Original story, and that giving them the solace they seek would only bring in more money.

So the real question here is not "why", but "why not"?

[errant_knight]

I might have been willing to see them go elsewhere for DA2 if it hadn't been for the ending of Awakening. I wouldn't have been happy, because we were told the story wasn't over, and I think there's more story to tell, but I could have accepted it. Not now, though. The last line of the epilogue ruined my Origins ending, and I'm not going to be at all pleased it that doesn't get fixed with another story involving the original companions.

I'm going to be a lot more leery of any next installment, though. Awakening was utterly depressing, and much less personally involving.

[Vicious]

Dragon Age 2

Not Dragon Age Origins: 2

Let's face it, the 'origins' were a glorified tutorial to get you situated into this new fantasy world. They don't have to do it next time.

I say stop wasting time on making 10 different tutorials of varying quality and focus more on the overall story.

If that means i MUST be human, or MUST be an elf, or MUST be a dwarf, GOOD, because the story will be more focused and LONGER than DAO was.


I will miss my DAO companions of course, but there isn't much further to go with those characters - I already know their life stories for god's sake. I found the Awakenings characters to be a VERY interesting bunch, which was hamstrung since you really couldn't get to know them very well.

Anyway I hope they move on with the story. And for fun''s sake can we NOT be a member of an elite and special order for once? I have a strong feeling that in DA2 we are going to be Chevaliers.

Modifié par Vicious, 21 mars 2010 - 09:34 .