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[AuraofMana]

He was THE MOST BORING character in Origins. He is a generic Dwarf who drinks. For some reason half of the RPG community thinks that's great even though that has been done to the death. He was so annoying, wasn't that funny, and was so boring. He was useless as a character since we already have a 2hander in Origins where 2hander was utter ****. He had the least screen time because most people tend to go to Orzammar last.



However, Bioware's inclusion of him was because he was the ONLY COMPANION we are guaranteed to have in Origins no matter how we played. This is just utter laziness from Bioware's part, and goes with the rushed + budget problem Awakening steams from. It's rather disgusting. Bioware has always had some bland characters, but this just tops it all.

[CybAnt1]

OK as usual there's two conversations here. The powergamers are only interested in his stats as a char. The truth is, yes, as a berserker-reaver warrior with good tactics, he's really a rather good warrior, and he's all you got after you lose generic redshirt (no spoilers here) at the beginning, before you find Justice. I have no problem with him as a char.



It's his personality as a NPC that I think people are saying grates them.



I don't hate him, I dig the funny-fratboy comic relief humor he represents, but I sorta wonder about the fact that the "happiest" ending for him is where he'll agree to see his own child once in a while and at least write to him/her occasionally.



The kid is going to grow up bitter, and that's before even considering the gene pool & traits of the mother & father. I'm afraid to see how Son of Oghren will turn out, especially now that I know what its upbringing will be.

[Alxarx]

I hate Oghren, but it would be awesome if he just screamed "GINGERS DO HAVE SOULS!"

[Phex]

Hm... I don't mind Oghren. Since I can't have my pervy ways with Anders in the expansion, having a party member around who at least thinks like I do is welcome.  I chuckle at his endless comments about Justice.

I was hoping he would straighten up a little in the expansion though, but it seems his drinking problem is just getting worse... I do raise the hat to the voice actor though, he manages to make Oghren sound hair-raisingly disgusting sometimes when he's drunk...

[Ravendark]

Oh,get over yourselves.Oghren is true!He does not pretend to be polite and civilized,he is a 'viking' dwarf!He is amusing as a character and also a faithful friend when you get to know him.He has spirit!Oghren rules!

[ztemplarz]

filaminstrel wrote...

According to that dude who you see Oghren arguing with in the Diamond Quarter, Oghren was one of the best of the Warrior caste prior to his marriage to Branka and her elevation to Paragonhood. So that's something.

I previously have defended Oghren's inclusion in Awakening, on the grounds that he's more than we give him credit for. However, it seems like he's just getting pigeon-holed into the "token funny sleazy guy" role, from what I've seen of him in Awakening. Particularly his banter with Sigrun... ugh. Too much. (Particularly considering that he's married and such.) I was hoping the expansion would "expand" more on a more mature side of Oghren. Alas.

Key word is WAS.  If anything, that makes even more reason not to bring him- a loose cannon highly competent at killing.  Obviously there was some issue with him even before Branka left, or she wouldn't have left him behind- you would think she would have valued having one of the best fighters with her as she entered the Deep Roads... or, maybe, you know, her HUSBAND.  And knowing that she may still be alive and deciding to just mop about it and drown his sorrow in liquor instead of going to find her?  I'd rather not have THAT type of person on my team. 

You can be a physical phenomenon, but that doesn't mean you are emotionally mature or strong, just that you're gifted.  I would rather not have the best fighter on my team if he is useless outside of combat.

[wwwwowwww]

AuraofMana wrote...

He was THE MOST BORING character in Origins. He is a generic Dwarf who drinks. For some reason half of the RPG community thinks that's great even though that has been done to the death. He was so annoying, wasn't that funny, and was so boring. He was useless as a character since we already have a 2hander in Origins where 2hander was utter ****. He had the least screen time because most people tend to go to Orzammar last.

However, Bioware's inclusion of him was because he was the ONLY COMPANION we are guaranteed to have in Origins no matter how we played. This is just utter laziness from Bioware's part, and goes with the rushed + budget problem Awakening steams from. It's rather disgusting. Bioware has always had some bland characters, but this just tops it all.

How was he the most boring? seriously how? Obviously you didn't take the time to get to know him or take him with you, because he was anything but boring.

Yes he drank, but it's not like you sat there with cutscenes of him doing nothing but drinking. He was by far the most humorous character in the game, especially in certain situations. Seems to me that Wynne liked to drink a lot of wine, but noone complains about her being a alcoholic, hell didn't Alastair have drinking issues depending on if you hardended him or not?

Seems to me people focus too much on his drinking and not so much on him, which is sad.

I'm not going to sit here and say he's the greatest or even my first choice for a returning character, but he was in no way the worst or the most boring.

[Bryy_Miller]

Dokarqt wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

They don't force him on you. If you send him back with Al, he's not with you. Plus, is it really a problem if you never use him?

Unless your PC is a warrior he is kinda forced on you until you get justice. Thats my biggest problem.

You can send him back.

[Ahzrei]

To the OP: This game is not intended for children. If you let your children play this game, and they start drinking underage, it's not Oghren's fault. He's just keeping his nose to the dust, watchin' out for the schleets. They're easier to see when you're drunk, you know.





And he's hilarious. That's his job, to make people laugh. You might not like his personal brand of humor, but I (and many others) do.





I must, however, agree with you that Sandal as a companion would have been awesome. He did (allegedly) slay an entire room of Darkspawn single-handedly.

[Killyox the Defender]

Valfrekr wrote...

I have a Dwarf warrior. With Sigrun and Oghren, I finally have "Team Dwarf" I didn't care for Oghren too much in Origins, but his witty remarks in Awakening make up for it. I just wish that the team at Bioware did a better job at linking up your imported character. There is no recognition between your character and Oghren; no dialog that links your characters together (e.g. Sheppard and Archangel).
The other issue I have is the lack of romance between you and the new characters. I always wanted a romance between my dwarf and another dwarf, or between my elf and another elf. The team made some cool characters, and yet they are pretty disconnected from the main character. To me it feels a little forced. Just MHO

Well, when you first meet him as commander or as imported character th dialogs are different, also when you talk to him few times in hold near keg he MENTIONS YOUR DOG WHOM IS HERE, so your dog is mentioned in dialogs, mentioned being here but simply not shown anywhere which is strange:D

[Ayanna Nyx]

I don't personally hate Oghren, but I do wish that other characters for Origins had been in Awakening instead of him. He was fine as a background character in the first place but I don't think it was beneficial or that interesting to see him carried over to another game. Hopefully that's the last we will see of him.

[Killyox the Defender]

sandall didnt kill them, they commited suicide due to him yelling ENCHANTMENT all the time

[Killyox the Defender]

Ayanna Nyx wrote...

I don't personally hate Oghren, but I do wish that other characters for Origins had been in Awakening instead of him. He was fine as a background character in the first place but I don't think it was beneficial or that interesting to see him carried over to another game. Hopefully that's the last we will see of him.

i actually hope to see him, hes all for killing enemies and staying grey warden unlike anders and nathaniel who both leave GWs.

Also,

Morrigan>Oghren>Allistair>Dog> rest

Allistair was a **** tbh and whiner so i prefer og, morrigan was just awesome, sten sucked, didnt like his attitude, leliana was ur ordinar girl in love without claws and fangs unlike morrigan:), zevran-ewwwww,



Next game tho i would think is going to be like 20 years later, we already see that nathaniel's sister's kid became commander in grey wardens etc etc, unless we see our hero once again just without these guys [except for oghren]

I would like to see oghren changed, like no drinking, being a bit more serious and at the top of his fighting skills again:>

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Oghren and Wynne were the only non-romancable characters available who remained in Ferelden and weren't in an expansion (sorry, Shale)) :/ Dog, as much as we love the mutt, is not big in the dialogue department. I'd probably prefer Oghren over Wynne for entertainment value.



I don't have a problem with Oghren. He's not my favourite character by any stretch, but he can be fun. I really didn't appreciate how he treated the Joining though. That was a bit...cheap. :/

[sylvanaerie]

Massamies wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
 As a tank he sucks majorly (my DPS warrior does better).  

Well player character has around 30-35 more attributes due to Fade and tomes and some other stuff, and 3-4 more talent points due to tomes, so it isn't that surprising.

My point was a DPS warrior shouldn't be outtanking a tank specced warrior regardless of who it is.  (Oghren is DPS but you can respec him to tank).   Regardless of how many points difference between my PC and the NPCs she WASN'T able to outtank Alistair in Origins but she did outtank Oghren and Justice in Awakenings in that respect.  I found I had little reason to keep him in my Warrior's group as his talents were redundant and I found his personality grating.  

[Tarante11a]

He went from zero to hero for me in Awakenings *just* because of the wave he does when he sees you again for the first time - mid fight - very very funny.

[Nyjahl]

I was going to give Oghren a chance in Awakenings with my dwarf noble warrior and Sigrun, but after only five minutes to Sigrun joining us, he was already with the bad come-ons to her. Sadly, he is keeping Vigil Keep's throne room secure (Maker help us).

I definately would have loved Dog to return (especially since he is the human noble's long-time companion). Second to Oghren is "Anderstair". While he is a hell of a good mage, the character himself is not much to my liking. However, I would take him over Oghren.

[CybAnt1]

Tarante11a wrote...

He went from zero to hero for me in Awakenings *just* because of the wave he does when he sees you again for the first time - mid fight - very very funny.

BTW: you get the same wave if you come into the room as an Orlesian warden and he doesn't know you (I found that out last night). 

But he obviously recognizes you're "friendly" from the gray warden armor you're wearing, and that you must be the warden-commander, or at least an ally, and thus I suppose is simply waving to somebody he knows is here to help him finish mopping up the darkspawn. Then it's not a "wave of recognition". 

[Killyox the Defender]

eah, but as orlesian commander he simply says your quite a big guy, and when you have imported char he says he said to those darkspawn that when new commander gets here theyll spit their teeth out their ass [he meant archdemon killer - you]

[Re v]

I think that Oghren is fun and really good written. I think its an relief to have characters such as Oghren and Zevran in a RPG since they are not what you would picture a "common" hero (They are still helping to save everyone from the Darkspawn). I think it is refreshing.



So after reading all the negativity I want to show you some fun stuff and see if it changes some minds! I will post some quotes and dialogues between him and other characters that I find hilarious.





Enjoy!



* Oghren: Elf!

* Zevran: Oghren!

* Oghren: I have something to say to you!

* Zevran: I am all ears, as we elves like to say.

* Oghren: I... Well, now I forgot.

* Zevran: Alas.

* Oghren: But just know I had something.

* Zevran: You've had several somethings, I suspect. It's part of your charm.



* Zevran: Hello my stocky little friend!

* Oghren: Huh. You got small breasts for a gal.

* Zevran: Ah. This is where we begin the typical dwarven/elven rivalry, is it?

* Oghren: Nahhh.



* Oghren: I would have thought saving the surface would have involved less walking.

* Zevran: Little legs getting tired?

* Oghren: I thought these people had animals. Horses and such.

* Zevran: In Orlais, perhaps, but not here. if you like, I could hoist you up on my back.

* Oghren: Hey now, don't start with the--

* Zevran: Yes, climb up, and I'll cart you around like a child! Marvelous fun!

* Oghren: You knife-eared pipe-cleaner, you couldn't carry me on your best day.

* Zevran: Mmmm. Perhaps if you left behind the spirits, all the weapons, and lost about two feet of beard...

* Oghren: Ach. I give up. Just keep walking.



* Zevran: I think I have a joke for you, my fine dwarven friend.

* Oghren: Just don't expect me to laugh.

* Zevran: So a human, an elf, and a dwarf are walking down a trail beside a stream, and they stop to take a ******.

* Oghren: All right. Things are lookin' up. Continue.

* Zevran: After, the human takes out some soap and begins washing his hands. "We humans have learned how to be clean and hygienic," he says to the others. The elf begins picking some leaves off the trees and wipes his hands with them. "We elves do as tradition has taught us and use what nature has provided." The dwarf, meanwhile, has pulled up his trousers and is already on his way down the trail. "And our ancestors," he calls back, "taught us dwarves not to ****** on our hands!" (Laughs)

* Oghren: Heh. Shows you what you know about dwarves.



* Oghren: Ugh. Got something in my...Sod it.

* Wynne: What are you... Never mind, I don't want to know.

* Oghren: That's right. Keep your nose up. You know, just because we don't all live in some tower in the clouds doesn't mean we're worthless.

* Wynne: I didn't...

* Oghren: And furthermore, I don't think I appreciate the way you looked at me the other night.

* Wynne: The way I... what?

* Oghren: Oh, you remember. Those longing eyes, hungry for a bit of a tussle...

* Wynne: I never looked at you, dwarf. Definitely not in that way.

* Oghren: Oh, you're right. Must have been the dog.



* Wynne: Why do you occasionally refer to Alistair as a "little pike-twirler?"

* Oghren: Why? Has the little pike-twirler taken offence?

* Wynne: It's just a curious description.

* Oghren: Curious? (Snorts) Bah, it's entirely true. What, you haven't seen him twirling his pike? Goes at it when he thinks no one's watching. Knocks about in the trees like there's no tomorrow. Caught him just the other day. Blushed all the way down to his navel, then couldn't find his shirt. I swear he's going to hurt himself one of these days, the way he works that thing.

* Wynne: I don't want to hear this anymore, do I?

* Oghren: I keep telling him, pikes are for sticking things at long range, aye? Horses and such. Not for twirling like a sissy-girl.

* Wynne: Wait, you're talking about an actual pike? Like a spear?

* Oghren: Obviously. What else would I be talking about?

* Wynne: I can't imagine.



* Oghren: So. With the boss, aye?

* Alistair: Pardon?

* Oghren: You and the boss. Rolling your oats.

* Alistair: I don't know--

* Oghren: Polishing the footstones.

* Alistair: --what you're--

* Oghren: Tapping the midnight still, if you will.

* Alistair: what are you going on about?

* Oghren: Forging the moaning statue. Bucking the forbidden horse. Donning the velvet hat.

* Alistair: Are you just making these up right now?

* Oghren: Nope. Been saving 'em.



* Oghren: Ah. Yep. Lot of tension around here.

* Alistair: You think so, do you?

* Oghren: Know what I do to relieve tension?

* Alistair: I hesitate to wonder.

* Oghren: I polish the ol' weapon.

* Alistair: Really.

* Oghren: Yep. Give it a good shine. With a dry rag, then with a little grease.

* Alistair: That's disgusting.

* Oghren: You're telling me you never gave yer blade the old spit-shine?

* Alistair: I think that's private.

* Oghren: Really? Sodding Chantry and its rules. i like to do it right out in the open.

* Alistair: Where people can see you?

* Oghren: Yep.

* Alistair: Wait, what are you talking about?

* Oghren: What are you talking about?

* Alistair: (Sigh) Never mind.





"You can't keep the Archdemon waiting. You'll hurt its feelings, it might just turn around the whole Blight and go home. Nobody wants that."