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[Eradyn]

Andorfiend wrote...

There is also the fact that there is loads of evidence throughout the galaxy of extinct civilizations that predate the Protheans. The Leviathan of Dis, the ruins of Junthor, those moons carved to look like some unknown race, the tomb world.

Doesn't mean it was a race of sentient starships that cleaned them out, though. ;p  Civilizations rise and fall throughout just earth's history.  It isn't that big of a leap to assume it would be the same for ancient civilizations elsewhere.

[OneBadAssMother]

Garrus is great, but that Turian, to be honest, he's the weak link, the council members should fire his butt but then again... Turians may object. Unfortunately, Garrus doesnt represent all Turians =(

[SOULdi3r]

i understand in Me1 that any thing the council did could have major reprecucions so they have to be weary about involving the citedal leet in anything (which is why the spectres were created, they can deny it if they gave a spectre an assignment as they have the authority to act on there own, allowing the council to get involved with out REALLY getting involved) but you would think that considering all that Shep has done by ME2 they would be a bit more trusting, also Anderson/Udina seems to have little to no say it wahat the council does. I REGRET SAVING THEM, THEY ARE COWARDS!!!!!, i may have to go Thane on them

[Andorfiend]

I had enough problems with the Councils galaxy class cranial-rectal inversion in ME 1, that it gets worse in ME 2, and for no better reason than to force you to work with Cerberus, whom you have every reason to destroy out of hand....



Bioware is capable of better writing than this. I understand some of the constraints they were working under, but I am not used to actually seeing the rails in a Bioware game. Not as great shining steel masses labeled "We're stupid, but you have to go with us." That annoyed me far more than any of the gameplay changes.

[OneBadAssMother]

Want to discuss the Reapers? Join The Reaper Group! We have cake.

Folks, the cake is a lie... sorry I had to say it Andorfiend xD

I had enough problems with the Councils galaxy class cranial-rectal inversion in ME 1, that it gets worse in ME 2, and for no better reason than to force you to work with Cerberus, whom you have every reason to destroy out of hand....

Reaper threat > my Shepard's sole survivor origin. It's believable. However, I am still unsure whether you are really free from Cerberus at the end. I made a topic, but nothing too conclusive at the moment.

[Einhild]

So. Humans find a relay gate, presumably hop through to find a dozen or so other sentient species have gathered on a space station. Said space station was "found" in perfect working order, maintained by less sentient bugs on auto-pilot, and these species have absolutely zero cognizance of how this station works, what the security protocols etc are, the purpose, only an unfounded theory that it was left by the Protheans who suddenly became extinct... If you interact with the giant bugs maintaining the systems, they self destruct.

The council represents the best of what these species had to offer? Did no one stop to think "Gee, maybe this could be a trap set by a hibernating fleet of evil sentient space ships that will someday swing on by to do a galactic purging of all life?"

...and you would question that these species would overlook red flags springing up all around them? Five minutes with Avina Re: the history of Citadel and I was thinking "oh crap, Citadel is a very, very bad place to be".

The council races have found a gingerbread house and now that Hansel is locked in a cage, Gretel is pretending the witch doesn't exist. The non-heretic Geth have the best idea of it all, stay out of Council space, stay away from the Reapers, DIY tech.

I vote Geth for Council, 2186 CE.

Modifié par Einhild, 21 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[OneBadAssMother]

Currently I seem to believe the main problems come from the ONE TURIAN.

[HeyBlade789]

The council dont want to risk full blown inter galactic panic, thats why their being stupid, im sure they have a back up plan if the reaper invasion kicks in

[marshalleck]

I think their behavior makes sense if you realize they can't stand Shepard and never wanted humanity to be a part of the Spectres or the Council itself. Too many people seem to assume the Council is on their side, and then get bent out of shape when they don't act as such.

[binaryemperor]

I've always just assumed the council is either indoctrinated or they are making their own attempts to understand the Reapers and deliberately keeping Shepard out of it.

[kelyon]

binaryemperor wrote...

I've always just assumed the council is either indoctrinated or they are making their own attempts to understand the Reapers and deliberately keeping Shepard out of it.

This may be true.

The Council is studying reaper technology to be prepared, but they will only get indoctrinated and Shepard will rescue them as always :] or not.

[Chamberboozer]

In my opinion, Shepard done to much for them to be simply denied. Assuming paragon side.  

Shepard has been dead/missing for a longer period of time than they even knew who he was.

It makes sense that they would not consider his past accomplishments to have very much weight.

As far as they know, he faked death an ran off to join Cerberus and fight against non-humans.

Modifié par Chamberboozer, 21 mars 2010 - 06:49 .

[Cascadus]

You mean the Thanix Cannon? That doesn't make any sense. Every single bit of technology in the ME universe is based off Reaper tech, if you could be indoctrinated by reverse engineering the weapon of a Reaper, then everyone would already be thralls.

[questioneer]

It'd be cool if Shepard and his team took some pictures of stuff or some video even.

[thegreateski]

You know how some characters have "plot armor"?



The council has "plot stupidity"

[marshalleck]

But they're the Jedi Council they can do no wrong, why don't they like my Shepard!?? Bioware fails at writing!!

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 mars 2010 - 07:05 .

[Lalandrathon]

Have you noticed how real governments/large organizations of any sort avoid dealing with big problems as long as they can still find enough people who they can pay to say the problem doesn't exist?



I'm pretty sure the council is smarter, or at least more benignly stupid, than a lot of large organizations.

[cronshaw8]

This topic has been re-hashed here quite a bit. I think the thing a lot of people don't consider is that it has been two years since the events in ME1. As far as the galaxy is concerned everything has gone back to normal. At the end of ME1 Shepard says "the Reapers are coming." Well two years later, where are they? The council's assertion that there is no imminent threat is actually more supported by the events of the last two years than Shepard's assertion there is an imminent threat. In other words what are the Reapers waiting for?

[KainrycKarr]

Indoctrination. I'm sticking with that. Noone's that retarded.

[spacehamsterZH]

marshalleck wrote...

But they're the Jedi Council they can do no wrong

Yeah, except, you know, the whole allowing Anakin Skywalker to be trained thing.

[Andorfiend]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Want to discuss the Reapers? Join The Reaper Group! We have cake.

Folks, the cake is a lie... sorry I had to say it Andorfiend xD

I had enough problems with the Councils galaxy class cranial-rectal inversion in ME 1, that it gets worse in ME 2, and for no better reason than to force you to work with Cerberus, whom you have every reason to destroy out of hand....

Reaper threat > my Shepard's sole survivor origin. It's believable. However, I am still unsure whether you are really free from Cerberus at the end. I made a topic, but nothing too conclusive at the moment.

I've been waiting months for someone to call me on that.

It's not just the sole survivor origin, although when Jacob says "You were the only survivor." in the beginning of ME 2 I was flabberghasted that I didn't have any option to mention how, no, there had been another and Cerberus had been torturing him for a decade. There is also the fact that they destroyed one colony with Dragon's teeth, and antoher with Creepers, and risked the entire galaxy with the Rachni. Hell even if the Rachni had been contained before the damage got too far the fact that a human group had released hostile Rachni on the Galaxy might well have led the Council to purge us out of self preservation from the stupid meddleing monkeys of Earth. (Yes Shepard can also release Rachni but one with a friendly and grateful queen who understands that the rest of the galaxy can and will smoosh her species if they get out of hand. The cerberus rachni were not properly educated. Frankly Cerberus wiped out more human colonies that the Collectors did.

As far as the Reaper threat not materializing in two years... So what? This is a galactic civillization that is millenia old. Some of it's member species live for over a millenia. Heck there is probably a Krogan out there somewhere who predates the Iron Age. Thse people think in generational terms. Two years of inactivity is meaningless on the time scales they think in.

I really don't understand a lot of what happens in ME 2. How the heck can a human colony be made up of Alliance haters when the Alliance governs all human activity in space? Why would they allow it? Why wouldn't the Alliance haters just stay on Earth where the Alliance has no say? How can human colonies be outside council jurisdiction? Council space is defined as those systems settled by council races. Humanity is now not merely a council race but a Council race, one of the 4. Every human colony is in Citadel controlled space BY DEFINITION! A minor attack on Eden Prime in ME 1 that got a few hundred people killed sent major shockwaves across human space and set back colonization progress by years. 2 years later nobody notices when entire colonies of hundreds of thousands of people go missing? People still talk about the missing colony of Roanoke and that was 500 years ago.

It's like all the Bioware writers just turned their brains off, and that makes me sad.

[Cascadus]

The Alliance doesn't govern all human activity. What are you on about? They govern all human activity in Citadel Space. The human colonists technically aren't even under the Alliance's jurisdiction anymore, as they left for the lawless Terminus Systems, an area that if any Alliance or Citadel ship even went into to, could trigger war.