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[Mallissin]

The secret's in the second post!

[DarthCaine]

The Angry One wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

It's Shepard

Shepard is the Reapers

No! I must kill the Reapers!
No Shepard, you are the Reapers!
And then Shepard was a Husk.

"Would you kindly..."

[Andorfiend]

Mondo_ wrote...
The Traitor is Udina, obviously.

Udina already betrayed Shepard. Doing that again would be as surprising as toast with breakfast.

[Loki330]

Someone suggested Garrus could be a Deep Undercover plant by either C-sec or the council, depending if he's Spectre or not, hence his hesitence if you persue him romantically. I personally doubt it (the whole, went to Omega after you died thing) but it could be interesting.



I personally hope it's not-but most likely suspect-that it's Kelly; if you rescue her it's suggested she's got a memory as good as Thane (or the expreience just burned itself inter her mind, like I imagine Akuze does for shepard I imagine). Add in hand picked by TIMMAH, she's the ship's shrink, your secretary (so she seems your mail) and she's right next to the galaxy map, and she's got alot of potential to be a hell of a spy.

[ImperialOperative]

This thread is one of the worst things in this forum.

[Kaiser Shepard]

The Virmire survivor. Reasons:
-The one who survives Virmire automatically survives Mass Effect 2.
-Yes, Liara also survives both games, but she doesn't have her own agenda. She has a clear goal, one which will probably be fulfilled in the upcoming DLC.
-He or she has been with you from the beginning, so more time to become emotionally attached.
-You willingly chose him or her over the other human, making the Virmire survivor that more 'unlikely' to betray you.
-He or she has become the second human Spectre, as subtly indicated in Mass 2, it would provide an interesting link to Saren once Shepard is considered a rogue Specte (we all know it will happen).

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 21 mars 2010 - 10:01 .

[screwoffreg]

Miranda doesn't make sense if you choose to help Cerberus by giving them the Base, unless you are going by the wildly implausible theory that the Illusive Man is OMG A REAPER!!!! Even if you blow up the Base, the Illusive Man is pissed but it doesn't definitely seem that your relationship with him is COMPLETELY over.



It is hard to see who could be a traitor among the ME 2 crew as most of them CAN die (though you have to suck for them all to). Sure, the "traitor" could be variable, but talk about a lot of extra work. The only characters that live 100 percent for sure are the ME 1 characters. Ashley/Kaiden? If the Alliance has been poisoned by the Reapers, maybe. Liara? That would be a hell of a twist, but I wonder how she would go about it..

[Sesshomaru47]

ImperialOperative wrote...

This thread is one of the worst things in this forum.

I second that. People are such pessimists.

[screwoffreg]

It could be Shepard herself/himself. Implanted with Reaper technology to ostensibly fight them, what if her/his loyalty begins to waiver? What if the Reapers make Shepard an offer she can't refuse???

The temptation of Christ in the desert, at least that's how I'd write it.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 21 mars 2010 - 10:04 .

[Time Well Spent]

Grunt says it best in my signature

[RobbertDewulf]

Conspiracy theories suck, my Miri would never betray me, I'm too cute. :x

[sergio71785]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The Virmire survivor. Reasons:
-The one who survives Virmire automatically survives Mass Effect 2.
-Yes, Liara also survives both games, but she doesn't have her own agenda. She has a clear goal, one which will probably be fulfilled in the upcoming DLC.
-He or she has been with you from the beginning, so more time to become emotionally attached.
-You willingly chose him or her over the other human, making the Virmire survivor that more 'unlikely' to betray you.
-He or she has become the second human Spectre, as subtly indicated in Mass 2, it would provide an interesting link to Saren once Shepard is considered a rogue Specte (we all know it will happen).

Those are all good points! 

[Time Well Spent]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The Virmire survivor. Reasons:
-The one who survives Virmire automatically survives Mass Effect 2.
-Yes, Liara also survives both games, but she doesn't have her own agenda. She has a clear goal, one which will probably be fulfilled in the upcoming DLC.
-He or she has been with you from the beginning, so more time to become emotionally attached.
-You willingly chose him or her over the other human, making the Virmire survivor that more 'unlikely' to betray you.
-He or she has become the second human Spectre, as subtly indicated in Mass 2, it would provide an interesting link to Saren once Shepard is considered a rogue Specte (we all know it will happen).

Would be a kick in the coronal ridge if Kaidan/Ashley pulled a backstab though, seeing as how popular they are with the fans. Would be taking too much of a chance to be fair.

[Knoll Argonar]

Time Well Spent wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The Virmire survivor. Reasons:
-The one who survives Virmire automatically survives Mass Effect 2.
-Yes, Liara also survives both games, but she doesn't have her own agenda. She has a clear goal, one which will probably be fulfilled in the upcoming DLC.
-He or she has been with you from the beginning, so more time to become emotionally attached.
-You willingly chose him or her over the other human, making the Virmire survivor that more 'unlikely' to betray you.
-He or she has become the second human Spectre, as subtly indicated in Mass 2, it would provide an interesting link to Saren once Shepard is considered a rogue Specte (we all know it will happen).

Would be a kick in the coronal ridge if Kaidan/Ashley pulled a backstab though, seeing as how popular they are with the fans. Would be taking too much of a chance to be fair.

I personally like the idea. Kaidan's a commander now, so as an Spectre would be cool.

But Ash... i'd destroy her in no time.

[BurningArmor]

Not enough information at this point to make a choice even for the paranoid:

1.)  It is possible Shepard won't be the target of the betrayal.  Perhaps the evil between Jack and Miranda comes to a head for example.

2.)  If there is a betrayal, the identity of the turncoat will depend on who wants what victim gone.  For example:  If TIM is petty enough to want Shepard dead for destroying the Collector Space Station, then Miranda, Jacob, and EDI are the obvious choices.  Each has enough history with Cerberus to have received a control chip.  Then again, so does all the NORMANDY crew that wear the Cerberus uniform.

3.)  Something not really shown here is that a betrayal does not really have to be a big thing or even a conscious effort.  It could be as simple as a main hatch being left open the next time NORMANDY is in port or dry dock if Shepard decides to get those holes in the ship fixed.

4.)  Other possible betrayals against Shepard:
     a.)  Dr. Chakwas if she comes to feel that Shepard's activities with Cerberus have not been ethical.
     b.)  Grunt if he comes to see Shepard as too big a threat to the Krogan people, or if he comes to see Shepard as weak.
     c.)  Tali if the Admiralty Board finds Shepard an overt threat to their plans or a threat to the safety of the Migrant Fleet.  Of course, Tali may become part of that same Admiralty Board in ME3.  Legion may also be targeted.
     d.)  Legion if the Geth find Shepard or the Creators to be dangerous to their well being.  Tali and other Quarians may also be targeted.
     e.)  Alenko/Williams if Udina/Anderson/Some-other-Alliance-Admiral wants Shepard out of the Picture.  This one lacks substance at this point though.  Alenko/WIlliams are not currently part of Shepard's crew.  With the tantrum they threw at Horizon, taking Alenko/Williams back would not be Shepard's first choice.  This is the case because Shepard cannot swear that he will not be working with Cerberus again if the conditions and stakes are right.
      f.)  Sumara for any infraction of the Justicar code when she is released from her oath. 
     g.)  Jack if she becomes bored.
     h.)  Shepard's Love Interest might become jealous of a rival.  If Shepard has no LI, one of the possible LIs may take offense at being "ignored".
     i.)  Any one of Shepard's team or crew could be a betrayer if they somehow become indoctrinated along the way.
     j.)  Any crew or team member having had family living in a colony Shepard did not save.  This could include team members that have yet to hire on.
     k.)  Cpl Tombs could hire someone to infiltrate Shepard's team.
      l.)  I'm sure I have not thought of all possible betrayal scenerios.  

5.)  Just because the player may be paranoid does not mean the bad guys are not out to get Shepard.

[Andorfiend]

Shandepared wrote...

To be honest I even if Kaidan/Ashley winds up
becoming your opponent in the next game I would not see them as a
"traitor". The fact is that they are not obligated to follow you just
because you are Commander Shepard. They have their own beliefs and
loyalties and as far as they are concerned in ME2 it is you who
is the traitor. I can easily see a scenario in ME3 where you are going
around the galaxy recruiting an army and the second human Spectre is
sent to take you down...

You know, because from the Council's perspective you are behaving exactly like Saren.

That's .... plausible. It would also be really, really, really weak. I already spent half of ME 2 wondering who the hell the guy on the screen was because he seemed to have nothing to do with the Shepard I knew from ME 1, wondering further why he never tried some of the really obvious options he had besides working with Cerberus. If they do that kind of weak, circular 'Shepard becomes what he once fought' story line I will be bitterly disappointed. Hopefully Bioware is better than that. Hopefully.

[Akeashar]

Has to be Anderson, hes too quick to believe, yet completely ineffectual at helping.

[Collider]

None of them? Zaeed and Samara are most likely. Samara literally says, if I recall correctly, she'll go after you if you're very renegade. Zaeed could be hired to kill Shepard.



Thane doesn't seem the type...I guess if Shepard is very renegade, Thane might decide to go back on his promise.

But to be honest I'd rather there be no traitor, but if there is: Zaeed or Samara.

[TrueHD]

I don't mind a traitor, but only if they go back to the side of good/sacrifice themselves at the end.



The characters who go from bad to good are always the most epic ones.

[scotty062295]

I love Tali as much as the next obsessive fan, but if she betrayed me, I would not hesitate to put a bullet in her face.

[RenownedRyan]

Jack. Good thing she died in mine.

[Collider]

scotty062295 wrote...

I love Tali as much as the next obsessive fan, but if she betrayed me, I would not hesitate to put a bullet in her face.

Agreed, but fortunately that isn't going to happen. Unless you side with the geth over the quarians over something, in which you have it coming.

[RenownedRyan]

scotty062295 wrote...

I love Tali as much as the next obsessive fan, but if she betrayed me, I would not hesitate to put a bullet in her face.

Don't take it personally.  She'd betray everyone else who played too.

[NoUserNameHere]

All my squadmates happen to be loyal, thank you very much. Unless we've got a super-secret reaper sleeper agent, I really doubt that a squadmate would betray you.



Now, Kaidan/Ash really really hate you at this point. hint hint. Liara is probably safe, though.