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Aren't the Terminus Systems not in the Milky Way?



Terminus surely refers to proximity to the milky way "spiral". If you are on the outer spiral you would be on the "terminal end" of the galaxy, hence terminus.


So if we stop the Reapers wouldn't that mean they would just go to another Galxy and continue their cycle?

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In fact, who says the reapers don't already control most of the unvirse?

i've got a feeling we are going to end up witth an ally from one of these other places in ME3, one that turns the tide against the reapers, or at least makes it an even fight. TIM might even be one.

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Dethateer wrote...

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Actually a certain dwarf galaxy is colliding with Milky Way right now. From what I've heard at least.


A dark matter dwarf galaxy apparently. No worries from scientists apparently, Then I again I wouldn't trust scientists, they are more likely to get hyped up by a black hole appearing on Earth then get scared


If that happened, what the scientists would think would be the least of your worries, seeing as how you'll be shredded and absorbed along with everyone else and the planet itself into the black hole. And besides that, whatever might happen in Mass Effect, singularities don't just appear.

If you're referring to the possibility of the Large Hadron Collider creating a mini-black hole, there is no danger.  Even if it did, the black hole would not be powerful enough to destroy earth of even the collider which formed it

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Dethateer wrote...

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Dethateer : The point was that in the event of a catastrophe I think that scientists would be the last to worry about it.


If we're really colliding with a dark matter galaxy, there's exactly jack s**t we can do about it. We might as well study it instead of running around in little circles, waving our arms and shouting.

Every galaxy is a "Dark Matter Galaxy,"  because visible matter makes up like about 4% of the universe. About  70% is Dark energy, and about 25-29% is dark matter.

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vhatever wrote...

If you bothered to read my posts on the theories of the reapers, it's pretty obvious. Repears are not "dormant" when they are in darkspace-- they are going to other galaxies, but they need to set up warps to get between the galaxies. Then they can rapidly return when the time is right. Same reason they need to turn on the warp to get back into the milky way.
If they were just off in deepspace catching some ZzZZzzs, sovereign would have just put in a wakeup call.

I don't think that is the case.  Plan A: activate the Citadel relay.  Plan B: have the Collectors create a Human Reaper and...do something with it.  Plan C: wake up the rest of the Reapers and have them "manually" maneuver towards the galaxy.

Sovereign died, and with it Plan A.  But he had no reason to wake up the others yet.  In fact, that's probably the LAST thing he wanted to do.  The overall idea was to activate the Citadel relay so that the entire Reaper fleet could decapitate the government of Citadel space.  However, their Plan B failed.  Now, with no other options, they are FORCED into a long trek towards the Milky Way using only their own drive cores.

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This topic plays into my theory on more ME games.



The Reapers are massively advanced in terms of technology and are floating so far out in hibernation you can see them approaching the spiral disc of the galaxy.



Now if the Reapers are so advanced that they can fly out of the galaxy, build massively FTL transportation and present a major threat to pretty much anything that has ever lived why would they put all their eggs in one basket? That's not very machine-like.



Thus I think at the end of ME3 we'll discover a new Mass Relay which will connect to another galaxy, most likely near by a Reaper base or out in the void that they were hibernating in.



And there spawns a franchise that reminds me of all the cool parts of Stargate with significantly less cheese.

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Canned Bullets wrote...

vhatever wrote...

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Aren't the Terminus Systems not in the Milky Way?



Terminus surely refers to proximity to the milky way "spiral". If you are on the outer spiral you would be on the "terminal end" of the galaxy, hence terminus.


So if we stop the Reapers wouldn't that mean they would just go to another Galxy and continue their cycle?

If it were possible for the Reapers to even achieve intergalactic flight, then I doubt they'd just give up on the Milky Way.

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DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Aren't the Terminus Systems not in the Milky Way?



Terminus surely refers to proximity to the milky way "spiral". If you are on the outer spiral you would be on the "terminal end" of the galaxy, hence terminus.


So if we stop the Reapers wouldn't that mean they would just go to another Galxy and continue their cycle?

If it were possible for the Reapers to even achieve intergalactic flight, then I doubt they'd just give up on the Milky Way.


Or maybe there's far older anmd more advanced species in other Galaxies that requires a lot less brute force then what they use in the Milky Way?

Chances are there is sentient life ion other galaxies in the ME series and chances are there's something much stronger then the reapers lingering out there.

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D.I.Y_Death wrote...

This topic plays into my theory on more ME games.

The Reapers are massively advanced in terms of technology and are floating so far out in hibernation you can see them approaching the spiral disc of the galaxy.

Now if the Reapers are so advanced that they can fly out of the galaxy, build massively FTL transportation and present a major threat to pretty much anything that has ever lived why would they put all their eggs in one basket? That's not very machine-like.

Thus I think at the end of ME3 we'll discover a new Mass Relay which will connect to another galaxy, most likely near by a Reaper base or out in the void that they were hibernating in.

And there spawns a franchise that reminds me of all the cool parts of Stargate with significantly less cheese.

That's a tad too far fetched for me.

As for putting all their eggs in one basket: the Reapers aren't perfect.  Based on my observations on my conversation with Sovereign, it's entirely likely that the Reaper's arrogance is their fatal flaw.  Also, if they are so farsighted, shouldn't they have ANOTHER relay that can bring them out of dark space like the Citadel can?  Maybe located in the galactic core like the Collector base?  The thing is, they don't.  They're out of options.

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Alright, so if we discover intergalactic travel we'll find something worse than the reapers?

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DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

This topic plays into my theory on more ME games.

The Reapers are massively advanced in terms of technology and are floating so far out in hibernation you can see them approaching the spiral disc of the galaxy.

Now if the Reapers are so advanced that they can fly out of the galaxy, build massively FTL transportation and present a major threat to pretty much anything that has ever lived why would they put all their eggs in one basket? That's not very machine-like.

Thus I think at the end of ME3 we'll discover a new Mass Relay which will connect to another galaxy, most likely near by a Reaper base or out in the void that they were hibernating in.

And there spawns a franchise that reminds me of all the cool parts of Stargate with significantly less cheese.

That's a tad too far fetched for me.

As for putting all their eggs in one basket: the Reapers aren't perfect.  Based on my observations on my conversation with Sovereign, it's entirely likely that the Reaper's arrogance is their fatal flaw.  Also, if they are so farsighted, shouldn't they have ANOTHER relay that can bring them out of dark space like the Citadel can?  Maybe located in the galactic core like the Collector base?  The thing is, they don't.  They're out of options.


I wouldn't call the Reapers arrogant, they didn't expect mankind to be diverse and resourceful enough to flip the bird to the galaxy and take care of the reapers on their own.

As for the Citadel why would they build more then one? They were obviously relying on galactic beurocracy to bring the most important people from the galaxy into one area and having two Citadels would have created something akin to the cold war and divide the galactic power in half, reducing their efficency.
To further that they had contigency plans set up in case something went wrong. Sovergn and the Collectors were the back ups and judging from the end of the game Reapers aren't so far out that it'll take a decade to get back into the Galaxy.

From what we've seen the Reapers have some sort of master plan requiring organic beings to be culled but not totally eliminated from the galaxy with also furthers that point.

The Reapers are highly intelligent and calculative but even a machine can't predict everything, thus it makes sense for the machine to realize this and cultivate multiple options to prevent the extinction of their race in a worst case scenario.

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Why does anyone care about other galaxies? I really don't understand why this keeps coming up. The Milky Way is large enough for this story.

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marshalleck wrote...

Why does anyone care about other galaxies? I really don't understand why this keeps coming up. The Milky Way is large enough for this story.


Because the galaxy is completely explored minus a few obscure planets and ruins that exist for the mining mini game. If the series continues after ME3 they'll need to expand their canvas accordingly.

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D.I.Y_Death wrote...

I wouldn't call the Reapers arrogant, they didn't expect mankind to be diverse and resourceful enough to flip the bird to the galaxy and take care of the reapers on their own.

As for the Citadel why would they build more then one? They were obviously relying on galactic beurocracy to bring the most important people from the galaxy into one area and having two Citadels would have created something akin to the cold war and divide the galactic power in half, reducing their efficency.
To further that they had contigency plans set up in case something went wrong. Sovergn and the Collectors were the back ups and judging from the end of the game Reapers aren't so far out that it'll take a decade to get back into the Galaxy.

From what we've seen the Reapers have some sort of master plan requiring organic beings to be culled but not totally eliminated from the galaxy with also furthers that point.

The Reapers are highly intelligent and calculative but even a machine can't predict everything, thus it makes sense for the machine to realize this and cultivate multiple options to prevent the extinction of their race in a worst case scenario.

The Reapers are no doubt intelligent.  And as we've seen with the abducted humans, they are looking for subjects that they can make they're own.  But the lack of alternatives to the "Citadel plan" and the "Human-Reaper plan" makes them seem quite short-sighted.  I didn't say they should have made another Citadel.  I said they should have made another relay that could bring them back from dark space.  One that would be safely tucked away near in the galactic core.

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D.I.Y_Death wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why does anyone care about other galaxies? I really don't understand why this keeps coming up. The Milky Way is large enough for this story.


Because the galaxy is completely explored minus a few obscure planets and ruins that exist for the mining mini game. If the series continues after ME3 they'll need to expand their canvas accordingly.

The galaxy is nowhere near being completely explored.  Their are billions of stars and star systems in the Milky Way galaxy.  The only places that have been explored are those adjacent to the mass relays.  Everywhere else remains unmapped.  So in latter games, Bioware could either expand on existing systems and planets or add access to newly discovered relays.

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D.I.Y_Death wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why does anyone care about other galaxies? I really don't understand why this keeps coming up. The Milky Way is large enough for this story.


Because the galaxy is completely explored minus a few obscure planets and ruins that exist for the mining mini game. If the series continues after ME3 they'll need to expand their canvas accordingly.

No, it's not completely explored. The contemporary species have explored an estimated 1% of the Milky Way.

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Alright, so if we discover intergalactic travel we'll find something worse than the reapers?

Why not, considering there are about hundred billion galaxies out there...Posted Image

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D.I.Y_Death wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why does anyone care about other galaxies? I really don't understand why this keeps coming up. The Milky Way is large enough for this story.


Because the galaxy is completely explored minus a few obscure planets and ruins that exist for the mining mini game. If the series continues after ME3 they'll need to expand their canvas accordingly.



More like the galaxy is completely unexplored except for few solar systems.

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DeathByWoodchipper wrote...

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I wouldn't call the Reapers arrogant, they didn't expect mankind to be diverse and resourceful enough to flip the bird to the galaxy and take care of the reapers on their own.

As for the Citadel why would they build more then one? They were obviously relying on galactic beurocracy to bring the most important people from the galaxy into one area and having two Citadels would have created something akin to the cold war and divide the galactic power in half, reducing their efficency.
To further that they had contigency plans set up in case something went wrong. Sovergn and the Collectors were the back ups and judging from the end of the game Reapers aren't so far out that it'll take a decade to get back into the Galaxy.

From what we've seen the Reapers have some sort of master plan requiring organic beings to be culled but not totally eliminated from the galaxy with also furthers that point.

The Reapers are highly intelligent and calculative but even a machine can't predict everything, thus it makes sense for the machine to realize this and cultivate multiple options to prevent the extinction of their race in a worst case scenario.

The Reapers are no doubt intelligent.  And as we've seen with the abducted humans, they are looking for subjects that they can make they're own.  But the lack of alternatives to the "Citadel plan" and the "Human-Reaper plan" makes them seem quite short-sighted.  I didn't say they should have made another Citadel.  I said they should have made another relay that could bring them back from dark space.  One that would be safely tucked away near in the galactic core.


I do admit the "human-reaper" plan was probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard but I'm going to chop that up to some horrible last minute writing inspired by too much beer and cocane. But the feel the Reapers gave throughout the games was much more long term "time is irrelavent to us" rather then the human "we want it NOW".

I think the Reapers did everything they could, they hadn't encountered a species as diverse and resourceful as humans before and it threw a gigantic wrench into their 1st, 2nd and 3rd plans.

As for why didn't they build another relay leading into deep space, well if you outright lock something out you're going to get scientists picking around, which is not good for a bunch of hibernating Reapers.

There's dozens of reaons why thety didn't build a second relay in the core but my preferred reason is black holes are still too powerful for Reapers to approach and remain intact and thus sending a fleet through a gate surrounded by black holes could lead to a lot of lost ships if anything went wrong. Plus the Reapers weren't THAT far out so building another Mass Relay leading to their location was more of a risk then they were willing to take.

Well that's my theory. I'll be interested to see if I was right abouyt anything.

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Andromeda Galaxy...Our closest neighbor.

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Hey, neighbor.

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The Reapers could still have a Plan C in place.The Collectors were a major servant of the Reapers in the galaxy, but they may not have been the only one.



My guess is that for ME3, the Reapers out in dark space are going to construct a new Relay to take them back to the Milky Way, sacrificing hundreds, or even thousands of their own kind for the raw materials and element zero necessary to build it. Thus, when they return to the galaxy, their numbers are greatly reduced and the Citadel races stand a fighting chance against them.



Whether or not it will connect to the Citadel is up for debate; if the Reapers could have activated the Citadel remotely they would have done so by now, but then again... if both ends of a Relay system need to be active to work, then how on earth do the various races activate new relays which were formerly dormant?

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If you're referring to the possibility of the Large Hadron Collider creating a mini-black hole, there is no danger. Even if it did, the black hole would not be powerful enough to destroy earth of even the collider which formed it




Exactly how stupid do you think I am? There's no way for the LHC to cram enough mass into a single point to create a singularity. It's too primitive.




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If intergalactic travel is possible by using wormholes (assuming these exist in the ME universe) then the speed of light is of no concern. Wormholes near our own solar system would be impossible, but could exist somewhere with enough room like dark space. Relays could connect to some location close enough to the wormhole. If in ME2 we can travel to the center of the galaxy (which is supposed to contain super-massive black holes) then traveling to a wormhole must be a breeze. ;)

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I think even with a wormhole system there are lots of problems. How do you find existing ones (assuming that by some freak of nature they were non-artificial), or how do you create and maintain artificial ones (enough resources could be a problem), and how do you know where they go (trial on error)? Just to name a few. :P

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Speed of light is still important to a wormhole. A wormhole would only be a shortcut, but much like the drive to the store might be 15 minutes driver, as the crow flies it would only be 2 minutes. Just shortens the trip. It does not teleport things from one place to some other place, only provides a shorter route. I think the only way to create a wormhole would be to create a massive gravity well. However, you would probably need the energy required to make a blackhole--- and you'd probably just end up creating a blackhole. Heh. In fact, a wormhole would act a LOT like a blackhole if darkmatter works as some claim it does.