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[Big Yam]

I'd prefer it if the focus was on five or six of the characters, and the rest show up as cameos. Highter potential for deeper character interactions if they focus on only a few of the squaddies.

[KainrycKarr]

Meh, don't care anymore. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.



Though, my reasons for them not bringing back. the me2 squaddies are different.



The same company that's doing a full voiced over MMORPG doesn't have the resources to bring back some potentially dead squad-mates? REALLY?



Extremely weak argument.

[Maera Imrov]

I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst, as well. With my list of 'favorites' being terribly narrow, I'm completely prepared for ultimate disappointment in 3. The only people I like enough to want back in any serious mode are Garrus, Legion, Thane, Wrex, and Jack. And I can't really see any of them back so... meh. If they're just cameos with no real carry over of the romance I may skip it altogether and Youtube the Paragon ending just to see how it goes.



Kinda sick of the 'start over' thing now. Ruins the hell out of any meaningful connection with any squad member, from any ME.

[Vaenier]

LPPrince wrote...

Faith.
Have it.

I lost my faith in the final boss battle, what was left of it at least. The majority was eroded away through the rest of the game.

I would not be suprised if ME3 opened up with the Normandy being blown up by the Reapers in the beginning, Shepard gets ressurected by the Alliance, and then spends 90% of the game recruiting more expendable crew members and helping them with their phsycological problems...

[-Skorpious-]

Besides, individual squadmates barely affect the story of the games. Tali and Liara were needed for plot reasons in ME:1 and Mordin was the the only character in the sequel who was needed for plot purposes (the seeker swarn repellant); every other character barely affeced the story at all.

[KainrycKarr]

Maera Imrov wrote...

I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst, as well. With my list of 'favorites' being terribly narrow, I'm completely prepared for ultimate disappointment in 3. The only people I like enough to want back in any serious mode are Garrus, Legion, Thane, Wrex, and Jack. And I can't really see any of them back so... meh. If they're just cameos with no real carry over of the romance I may skip it altogether and Youtube the Paragon ending just to see how it goes.

Kinda sick of the 'start over' thing now. Ruins the hell out of any meaningful connection with any squad member, from any ME.

This, combined with Bioware generally being good storytellers is why I have hope yet they will bring back the squadmates. It kinda kills the whole character development thing if every game just kinda tosses everybody out the window each time. The ME1 cameos were a huge mistake, and with any luck Bioware will realize that.

Bioware 100% has the resources, what it comes down to, is just which option(bring back squadmates, or toss them out) will ultimately make them the most money, It's ALWAYS about the money, as, regardless of how much Bioware caters to the fanbase(Tali and Garrus romances), being a company means that at the end of the day, they will do what brings in the biggest profit.

There are valid arguments as to why either option will earn a lot of money. I am personally of the opinion that bringing back the characters will earn just as much if not more money. But my opinion isn't what matters. It's Biowares.

[FlyinElk212]

OP: I'm with you. I made a similar thread to this one a few weeks back regarding squadmates and how variability/game progression factors make the possibility of ME2 squadmates being integral extremely low:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1141302

Read it if you want further evidential points to your ugly truth about Mass Effect 3! 

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 22 mars 2010 - 12:12 .

[-Skorpious-]

KainrycKarr wrote...

This, combined with Bioware generally being good storytellers is why I have hope yet they will bring back the squadmates. It kinda kills the whole character development thing if every game just kinda tosses everybody out the window each time. The ME1 cameos were a huge mistake, and with any luck Bioware will realize that.

Bioware 100% has the resources, what it comes down to, is just which option(bring back squadmates, or toss them out) will ultimately make them the most money, It's ALWAYS about the money, as, regardless of how much Bioware caters to the fanbase(Tali and Garrus romances), being a company means that at the end of the day, they will do what brings in the biggest profit.

There are valid arguments as to why either option will earn a lot of money. I am personally of the opinion that bringing back the characters will earn just as much if not more money. But my opinion isn't what matters. It's Biowares.

Thats why we need to prove to Bioware how important this issue really is to us. If enough people express discontent, it gives Bioware the incentive to bring back potential customers by including features that will draw back said customers.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 22 mars 2010 - 12:12 .

[KainrycKarr]

-Skorpious- wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

This, combined with Bioware generally being good storytellers is why I have hope yet they will bring back the squadmates. It kinda kills the whole character development thing if every game just kinda tosses everybody out the window each time. The ME1 cameos were a huge mistake, and with any luck Bioware will realize that.

Bioware 100% has the resources, what it comes down to, is just which option(bring back squadmates, or toss them out) will ultimately make them the most money, It's ALWAYS about the money, as, regardless of how much Bioware caters to the fanbase(Tali and Garrus romances), being a company means that at the end of the day, they will do what brings in the biggest profit.

There are valid arguments as to why either option will earn a lot of money. I am personally of the opinion that bringing back the characters will earn just as much if not more money. But my opinion isn't what matters. It's Biowares.

Thats why we need to prove to Bioware how important this issue really is to us. If enough people express discontent, it gives Bioware the incentive to bring back potential customers by including features that will draw back said customers.

Correct.

[lastpawn]

Likely developers will relegate a good number of ME2 characters to "minor" roles, such as what Liara and Wrex had in ME2. I suspect that a few of the most popular ones will be recruitable, and if they died in ME2, in ME3 there'll be a "new and slightly different version of that character."

For example: if Tali died in ME2, like say if you killed her when you so inconsiderately decided to sleep with her regardless of health consequences, her cousin will show up in ME3. Probably not that silly, but I'm expecting something along those lines. Think about Wrex and his brother.

[Mcjon01]

As long as it's her hotter, more promiscuous cousin, I'm cool with that. Hell, let's have hotter, promiscuous cousins for everyone.  Ha, silly wordfilters, I have a bigger vocabulary than you think.

Modifié par Mcjon01, 22 mars 2010 - 12:23 .

[Qwepir]

lastpawn wrote...

Likely developers will relegate a good number of ME2 characters to "minor" roles, such as what Liara and Wrex had in ME2. I suspect that a few of the most popular ones will be recruitable, and if they died in ME2, in ME3 there'll be a "new and slightly different version of that character."

Liara and Wrex were actually doing something in Mass 2. Tali and Garrus were squadmates because they weren't doing anything besides almost getting overrun by mercs/geth until you bust in and save their asses.

[KainrycKarr]

lastpawn wrote...

Likely developers will relegate a good number of ME2 characters to "minor" roles, such as what Liara and Wrex had in ME2. I suspect that a few of the most popular ones will be recruitable, and if they died in ME2, in ME3 there'll be a "new and slightly different version of that character."

For example: if Tali died in ME2, like say if you killed her when you so inconsiderately decided to sleep with her regardless of health consequences, her cousin will show up in ME3. Probably not that silly, but I'm expecting something along those lines. Think about Wrex and his brother.

Even though I'm a rabid, sicko, Tali fan, I heavily doubt Bioware will cater THAT much. If they bring back Tali, I am relatively certain they will do something similar for the majority as well.

Except for Jacob. I doubt the one or two people who like him, like him enough not to buy the game if Bioware doesn't write him in.

[Highdragonslayer]

They should carry all of them over considering that 90% of the game was learning more about them and exploring their past.

[iNixiRir]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Eh you know what? Give me Ash/Kai, Liara and Wrex back and I'll be happy without the ME2 band of misfits, psychos, criminals and terrorists.
Plus the inevitable flood of tears from the Taliban will be epic. EPIC.

<_< I understand your reason for not having faith, but was that called for?

Just let it be. There is more hate in The Angry One than in, lets say - all terrorists together..

Modifié par iNixiRir, 22 mars 2010 - 12:32 .

[Notho]

Yes, there will be some people who don't get some content because they lost squaddies, but that's apparently the consequence for not keeping them alive. Don't like it, then try harder to keep them alive.

I do believe that some of the characters from this game won't be back as squad mates in the next one, and that there will probably be a couple new ones thrown in to balance out people dying in the suicide mission. I don't see ME3 being as recruitment/loyalty heavy as this one, otherwise, what was the point?

Modifié par Notho, 22 mars 2010 - 12:32 .

[lastpawn]

KainrycKarr wrote...

lastpawn wrote...

Likely developers will relegate a good number of ME2 characters to "minor" roles, such as what Liara and Wrex had in ME2. I suspect that a few of the most popular ones will be recruitable, and if they died in ME2, in ME3 there'll be a "new and slightly different version of that character."

For example: if Tali died in ME2, like say if you killed her when you so inconsiderately decided to sleep with her regardless of health consequences, her cousin will show up in ME3. Probably not that silly, but I'm expecting something along those lines. Think about Wrex and his brother.

Even though I'm a rabid, sicko, Tali fan, I heavily doubt Bioware will cater THAT much. If they bring back Tali, I am relatively certain they will do something similar for the majority as well.

Except for Jacob. I doubt the one or two people who like him, like him enough not to buy the game if Bioware doesn't write him in.

It's not a question of catering, it's good business. Think about Wrex's brother - he wasn't in the game to cater to Wrex fans who also happen to, um, kill Wrex in ME1. He's there because it is far more cost effective to design a game where dead Wrex and living Wrex affect the plot minimally.

Likewise, developers aren't going to design a significantly different game depending on whether Tali lives or dies. If she's a character with a meaningful role in ME3 (as in, she is needed for the plot), there'll be a Tali-doppelganger...

Edit: By the way, I like Jacob. He's my bro. But, yeah... you're right.

Modifié par lastpawn, 22 mars 2010 - 12:34 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

Right now there isn't enough info to make an educated judgement, for what it's worth I think you should keep expectations low, but don't lose all faith, it takes away all the fun.

[iNixiRir]

KainrycKarr wrote...
Even though I'm a rabid, sicko, Tali fan, I heavily doubt Bioware will cater THAT much. If they bring back Tali, I am relatively certain they will do something similar for the majority as well.

Except for Jacob. I doubt the one or two people who like him, like him enough not to buy the game if Bioware doesn't write him in.

Nop, if Tali is in, or Liara, or Thane, or Ashley - Jacob will be in it too. He's a LI after all. Either all the LIs are in, or they are all out like in ME2.

[Axterix]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

You know this reminds me of a similar change happening in tv shows. It used to be just about every tv show would end the episodes in pretty much the same way they began. Now we've got dozens of really successful high-profile shows that are parts of a continuing narrative. It's a risk--shows like that are harder for newcomers to just jump into--but the cult surrounding them is stronger and the stories are much more ambitious and memorable. Is Mass Effect willing to take that first step--be the first "Lost" or "The Wire" or "Mad Men" of video games? I guess we'll see.

There's a difference there though.  Shows like Babylon 5, various BBC shows, and the American shows that aren't designed to be syndicated is that they follow a set cast of characters down one path.  This differs from the ME line in that you aren't dealing with a single plot line, but rather with an ever widening cone of possibilities and, with ME 2 booting most of your squad to the side to introduce a horde of new characters, a much bigger cast.  Many of whom may have been killed.

If you have the budget for X area of content, well, a narrow line can go quite a distance.  But with the ever widening cone, you'll be able to go less distance from the starting point before you run out of budget.  And ultimately, pretty much every path that makes it into the start of ME 3 will have a viable path to the end, which means choices may have impact, but those choices will be mitigatable.  Part of why I wished ME 2 was less focused on pick up and romance and/or make loyal a horde of new people and had placed more focus on the story, with the squad mates from ME 1.

But too late now, ME 2 is out and we've got the horde, many of whom may or may not be dead.

Hopefully, they'll manage to have a good plot and villain next time around, very few if any new squad mates, just focus on the ones from ME 1 and 2.  And yeah, I'd like to see the choices we made have a big impact, from the genophage, the rachni, the council, and even the Geth (though I'd rather see them going back to being bad guys). 

Hopefully done with a decent character creation process this time around, one that lets us choose what we did in ME 1 and 2 without having to play through those games.  That way, well, if content is more broad than deep, we can experience and experiment without the need to play 2 other games before each playthrough.

[DarthCaine]

LPPrince wrote...

Faith.

Have it.

I'm an Atheist

[Ray Joel Oh]

Axterix wrote...
There's a difference there though.  Shows like Babylon 5, various BBC shows, and the American shows that aren't designed to be syndicated is that they follow a set cast of characters down one path.  This differs from the ME line in that you aren't dealing with a single plot line, but rather with an ever widening cone of possibilities and, with ME 2 booting most of your squad to the side to introduce a horde of new characters, a much bigger cast.  Many of whom may have been killed.

If you have the budget for X area of content, well, a narrow line can go quite a distance.  But with the ever widening cone, you'll be able to go less distance from the starting point before you run out of budget.  And ultimately, pretty much every path that makes it into the start of ME 3 will have a viable path to the end, which means choices may have impact, but those choices will be mitigatable.  Part of why I wished ME 2 was less focused on pick up and romance and/or make loyal a horde of new people and had placed more focus on the story, with the squad mates from ME 1.

But too late now, ME 2 is out and we've got the horde, many of whom may or may not be dead.

True, but it's encouraging that since it'll be the end of the trilogy, they won't need to extend the branches any further.  Hopefully they've planned and budgeted ahead so that they're not throwing all this potential for story out there just to have it be scrapped later.  I make the comparison to the tv shows just because that's another example of people putting story ahead of the simplest path to the bottom line.  It's a risk, but it can pay off in the form of a more dedicated and enthusiastic fanbase--a valuable thing to have when you're building a new IP.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 22 mars 2010 - 01:04 .

[Xaijin]

Qwepir wrote...

lastpawn wrote...

Likely developers will relegate a good number of ME2 characters to "minor" roles, such as what Liara and Wrex had in ME2. I suspect that a few of the most popular ones will be recruitable, and if they died in ME2, in ME3 there'll be a "new and slightly different version of that character."

Liara and Wrex were actually doing something in Mass 2. Tali and Garrus were squadmates because they weren't doing anything besides almost getting overrun by mercs/geth until you bust in and save their asses.

Wrex is completely superfluous to ME1. You can literally skip him.

[mopotter]

The Angry One wrote...

Eh you know what? Give me Ash/Kai, Liara and Wrex back and I'll be happy without the ME2 band of misfits, psychos, criminals and terrorists.
Plus the inevitable flood of tears from the Taliban will be epic. EPIC.

I'll be happy with Ash/Kaidan and Liara. I'd like some of the group back, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Thane, but I can go on without them.  The can be cameos like Wrex in ME2.  It will be interesting to see how the handle it.