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[Suron]

what i mean by "why" is.....why was it necessary to kill him then bring him back?

They could have just as easily broke the team up....perhaps the council denounced the reapers (like they do) and purposely broke shepards team up...the alliance split them...and maybe even shepard had his spectre status revoked because he wouldn't let the reaper thing go....despite the councils demands and denouncing them..

only real issue with old team mates with something similar to this is Liara...As Ash/Kaiden could easily be explained to have been sent away on the mission just like they already are...I mean they are alliance soldiers....

enter Cerberus..why was it necessary to kill shepard to shove him (yes he's shoved into it) into Cerberus's employ???  What's going on with the Collectors abducting human colonies has nothing to do with shepard living or dying...nor does the council saying it's an alliance problem for that matter..

So couldn't they just have Shepard of run into Miranda/Jacob or something and have them "recruit" him to look into the collectors....seeing as how we're shoe-horned into helping cerberus would it really have been different if we never died? no it wouldn't have been.

so enter running into ash/kaiden...they of course wouldn't have anything to say about your dying..since you didn't...but the END RESULT would have been the same being that they realize you are working for/with Cerberus....so they'd still be pissed and wouldn't join you...

Tali and Garrus would have no changes...Garrus went back to c-sec after your team was split and Tali went to the fleet....

Wrex goes to Tuchanka..

Liara would be the one needing the most work to alter WHY she's now after the shadow broker....

Personally I think the killing off Shepard and rebuilding him was a lame decision.....Just about everything that happens in ME2 could have been almost the same had shepard never died....you'd still have the team split...still have old members doin their own thing...still have a reason for Shepard to help Cerberus (which actually is no different then the reason already given with his death.)

His "death" just comes across as bad writing and unnecessary...and things coulda been relatively the same without pulling this cheap gimick.

Anyway agree? Disagree? other thoughts...?

personally I'm at LEAST hoping ME3 makes Shepard being rebuild something that has an impact on what's going on....I honestly hope there is more to it then a gimick to get him to join cerberus and split the teams....as it is I just feel there has to be a more long-term impact to him being rebuilt and partially cybernetic then ME2 shows....

thoughts?

[Kronner]

Maybe something to do with the Reapers and story overall. I mean Shepard is now basically a bridge between organic and synthetic life...

[Time Well Spent]

It's a simple way of bring Shepard's stats back down and enabling a rejig of his face/powers if you wanted, plus it made for a hell of an opening

[Raphael diSanto]

If Shepard never died, then new ME2 players would suffer class/cosmetic continuity issues. It's a mechanic to allow both completely 'new' Shepards and imported Shepards. It gives a new ME2 player an in-game reason to build their Shepard exactly how they want, looks, class, etc.

[Vamp44]

Plus it allows you to fix up your Shep if you didn't like what he looked like in the first.

[Suron]

Time Well Spent wrote...

It's a simple way of bring Shepard's stats back down and enabling a rejig of his face/powers if you wanted, plus it made for a hell of an opening

well.that's just it..they could have done the same openning...destroyed the Normandy...without killing shepard...

perhaps it's a hospital we wake up while it's being attacked instead of the cerberus lazerus base...etc.

just seems a stupid gimick with an outcome that could have been dealt with/explained much better with the relative same outcome

[BlackwindTheCommander]

We can rebuild him...



Make him stronger, better, faster, harder...



After he levels up to 30 again that is.

[Landline]

They needed to cut all immediate ties to the previous game.

[Vamp44]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

We can rebuild him...

Make him stronger, better, faster, harder...

After he levels up to 30 again that is.

...lol

I'm sorry....I..I just had to point it out.

Modifié par Vamp44, 21 mars 2010 - 11:21 .

[Suron]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

If Shepard never died, then new ME2 players would suffer class/cosmetic continuity issues. It's a mechanic to allow both completely 'new' Shepards and imported Shepards. It gives a new ME2 player an in-game reason to build their Shepard exactly how they want, looks, class, etc.

Vamp44 wrote...

Plus it allows you to fix up your Shep if you didn't like what he looked like in the first.

no..they STILL could have done this..without killing him.

the game makes it a POINT to state that YOU WERE BROUGHT BACK EXACTLY AS YOU WERE BEFORE YOU DIED....

it's just there for gameplay reasons...to allow players to try different classes with an import character....there is no "in game" relativity to it...you DON'T ACTUALLY CHANGE as far as the ME universe and people are concerned

If I was a soldier with a buzzcut and beard caucasian....and changed him to an engineer with bushy hair and no beard..guess what...AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE AND UNIVERSE/LORE IS CONCERNED YOU ALWAYS  WERE LIKE THAT.

sorry but no..that's no reasoning whatsoever...re-customizing your shepard is there for replayability reasons...nothing more..nothing less....your shepard was NOT CHANGED AT ALL as far as lore is concerned......and Jacob/Miranda go at LENGTHS to say exactly this...that you were brought back EXACTLY like you were before.

[trobbins777]

Because shepard it makes shepard look like space jesus that's why.:innocent:

[keegdarv1]

ummm cause if they didnt rebuild him it would have been a very short game



recue Joker, die, credits role, and your wondering why did i just pay 60 bucks for a 10 minute game

[Suron]

keegdarv1 wrote...

ummm cause if they didnt rebuild him it would have been a very short game

recue Joker, die, credits role, and your wondering why did i just pay 60 bucks for a 10 minute game

learn to read.

nothing else needs to be said.

[Qwepir]

keegdarv1 wrote...

ummm cause if they didnt rebuild him it would have been a very short game

recue Joker, die, credits role, and your wondering why did i just pay 60 bucks for a 10 minute game

+rep

[keegdarv1]

why its another boring ass thread of the same **** these type come out once a week dont think your special

[Ray Joel Oh]

I think the only logical explanation would be that Shepard has the prothean imprint. It's the only thing that really definitively makes Shepard special. But they didn't even touch on that in ME2 so I dunno.



I'm hoping the fact that you're a cyborg has some payoff. TIM said he needed you as an icon (wut?) but maybe he's going to be assuming direct control.

[The Enkindler]

I don't think the team would split up unless Shepard was dead - even if the Normandy blew up and the Council for some reason would revoke Spectre status. Knowing Shepard, they'd probably still follow him around as their own merc band.



Killing Shepard is a good story decision because it takes care of multiple things at once -

It makes the Collectors a threat - they are more powerful than you can handle and manage to blow up the Normandy and kill you. It also makes it personal. It also introduces the Collectors to new players.



As Cerberus is the one that manages to find you and bring you back, it gives you the scope to work with them. They are already an established organisation the player will recognise from ME1 and also has the kind of resources that can bring people back from the dead - weird tech that respectable organisations like the Alliance wouldn't deal with - I can't see the Alliance spending billions bringing back Shepard. They'd probably just pay for a funeral.



The two year gap, as well as representing real time between game releases, gives a chance for things in the ME galaxy to progress and give you new things to discover - the changes to the team members, e.g. like Tali finishing her pilgrimage and getting an adult name, Garrus quitting C-Sec, Wrex building a new Tuchanka - without the presence of Shepard you get more profound changes than I can forsee with Shepard being around during all that time.



It also gives Liara that cool spin-off comic series.



Plus Anderson explains that the Citadel isn't completely fixed yet either - being dead for a few years seems to have been worth it to skip seeing a ton of "under construction" signs while wondering around a ruined Citadel. You also want to see some of the changes like more humans in C-sec establishing themselves and the anti-geth customs checks.



Being bio-enhanced was also a good excuse to do new types of upgrades like the heavy skin weave for health points instead of having lots of armor types like in ME1 to buy. I don't know if a living Shepard would have agreed arbitrarily to get implants of stuff just for the sake of it. Being resurrected and having them already put in is a good way to just force it.



I think Doctor Chakwas says it best during her drunk speech that Shepard is the centre of the whole group and the only way they would have split up is his/her death.

[Suron]

keegdarv1 wrote...

why its another boring ass thread of the same **** these type come out once a week dont think your special

I'm on this board almost every day and don't really recall one like this...for one...for two..if you lack the intelligence to understand a topic don't bother replying..if it's done so often...don't click on it.

but can't resist trolling can ya?

and I never said or thought I was special..where do you even get that? oooh I get it...it's tied to the same lack of intelligence.

maybe when you post you think you're special...that doesn't mean anyone else does..

and still.

learn to read.

don't like the thread...skip it....or are you too dumb NOT to click on something you apparently read over and over again son?

[xDarkicex]

Because Bioware wanted to tie cerberus into the story in a way that forces you to work with them

[keegdarv1]

Suron wrote...

keegdarv1 wrote...

why its another boring ass thread of the same **** these type come out once a week dont think your special

I'm on this board almost every day and don't really recall one like this...for one...for two..if you lack the intelligence to understand a topic don't bother replying..if it's done so often...don't click on it.

but can't resist trolling can ya?

and I never said or thought I was special..where do you even get that? oooh I get it...it's tied to the same lack of intelligence.

maybe when you post you think you're special...that doesn't mean anyone else does..

and still.

learn to read.

don't like the thread...skip it....or are you too dumb NOT to click on something you apparently read over and over again son?

wow i knew you were easy to bug when got annoied at a joke grow up a touch their man, get a sense of humor in the first place or take your own advice and dont reply

not sure how a joke is a "troll" which be the way is a stupid term that doesnt make really make sense to me but i try not to spend alot of times on forums (no thats not a insult saying you do cause i dont "jump" to insults just cause someone said something i dont like normally)

come to think on what i just saidmy second post may have been a tad of a insult if you took as such i can be a man and say sorry

im pretty sure i know how to read since well im typing and taling back to what was said but hell maybe im wrong thank you for filling me in on that

cool down a touch a get a joke even if its just a small one

[Vaenier]

Bad writing. That is all.

[Time Well Spent]

we can rebuild him, we have the technology...

[Dualfinger]

Well, it did change one thing, having that posioned drink in Lower Afterlife would have killed you if you didn't have all the cybernetics.

[SovereignT]

trobbins777 wrote...

Because shepard it makes shepard look like space jesus that's why.:innocent:

Sadly there are such imbeciles who would make post like this all over and over again..

For starters the whole "resurrection" was based a supposed spirit soming back after 3 days as opposed to shep being made by a whole team of specialist that had to work restlessly for 2 years. not to mention that after he dies there is no "following" or cult of Shepard..

So remeber kids before making such comments, just remeber "drugs are bad mmk":innocent: