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[wrdnshprd]

what do you say to games that cost $50-$60 and are supposed to be full games and not expansions.. and are around 15-20 hours of gameplay (some games less than that).. if you do everything Awakening has,  that is about what it takes to complete; and to me this expansion was way worth the money..

yes, i completed it in a weekend (about 15-20 hours total), but ive completed other full games that cost $60 in the same amount of time and still felt like all those games were worth it..

also, please tell me an EXPANSION that was a good 30-50 hours of gameplay with this level of story telling, character voice over, and has compelling dialogue choice?  still thinking?  thought so.

[Ninomir]

Perheps u took too long... I finished it the same day i installed it, i had like maybe 10 play h. and got every achivment (not including 1 that are depending on choice u make). Finished every side Q i found. So yea I'd say it's a bit short, but still it was nice...not like Origins but it's defently not a waist, there is a tiwst to it, interesting story, so maybe a bit short but still worht it...

[wrdnshprd]

i get what you are saying, but i still argue there are a lot of games that are full price that are just as long and not nearly good (story wise and dialogue anyway).

[Yakkahboo]

Yes many games have a story with roughly the same play time for similar prices, but they often feature a multiplayer component too. Not saying that it the expac should have featured multiplayer and I'm not saying I'm not happy with what I got, I just feel a little short changed. £40 on release day for origins and I got 45 hours off one playthrough. £30 for awakening and got 13 hours...

[Ingrimm22]

clocking at 30 hours and still not finished. The only way to get a 8-10h playthrough is:

1. Ignore all character-customisation (i.e. auto-level), itemcrafting, optimising your equip.

2. play on "normal" or below.

3. Skipping dialogues and cutscenes.

4. not exploring maps, just running to questobjectives.



well yeah, but who the hell plays a game like Dragon Age like this?

[wrdnshprd]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

clocking at 30 hours and still not finished. The only way to get a 8-10h playthrough is:
1. Ignore all character-customisation (i.e. auto-level), itemcrafting, optimising your equip.
2. play on "normal" or below.
3. Skipping dialogues and cutscenes.
4. not exploring maps, just running to questobjectives.

well yeah, but who the hell plays a game like Dragon Age like this?

agreed.. though i play on normal setting and still had a good 15-20 hrs.  but agree with everything else.

[Noir201]

Well for the price i payed for awakening (£7 cause of a discount) i can't complain, however, while yes a expansion, and me being halfway in it, i do find that some quests and side quests could have been more defined, not as tight as quests/sidequests was in origins.

[guise709]

It ain't about the destination its the journey when it comes to these games. When I play Western rpgs like dragon age or elder scrolls I take my time and take in the scope of the game and try to suck out as much content as I can. I don't try to just "beat it" I try to enjoy the game.

Modifié par guise709, 22 mars 2010 - 01:50 .

[sylvanaerie]

I still haven't finished though I bought it on release day. Mostly this is because I am finding it has very little replayability unlike Origins from which I couldn't tear myself from the monitor screen. My feelings on the expansion so far are mild disappointment to mostly likeable. Certainly not the consuming passion that was Origins anyway.

[wrdnshprd]

guise709 wrote...

It ain't about the destination its the journey when it comes to these games. When I play American rpgs like dragon age or elder scrolls I take my time and take in the scope of the game and try to suck out as much content as I can. I don't try to just "beat it" I try to enjoy the game.

agreed, and i thought the 'journey' as u put it was just as compelling as the first game.. and to be honest, the plot point that comes up in the beginning might actually put it over the top of origins.

[fishx255]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

clocking at 30 hours and still not finished. The only way to get a 8-10h playthrough is:
1. Ignore all character-customisation (i.e. auto-level), itemcrafting, optimising your equip.
2. play on "normal" or below.
3. Skipping dialogues and cutscenes.
4. not exploring maps, just running to questobjectives.

well yeah, but who the hell plays a game like Dragon Age like this?

no, I did every sidequest, watched every cutscene, explored the map almost to much thinking I missed something and would recheck, made runes for my endgame party, and played on nightmare. I beat the game in around 14hours as a pc mage. I think it would have taken less time if I was a rogue or warrior. I have no idea what you are spending all that time on.

[Ninomir]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

clocking at 30 hours and still not finished. The only way to get a 8-10h playthrough is:
1. Ignore all character-customisation (i.e. auto-level), itemcrafting, optimising your equip.
2. play on "normal" or below.
3. Skipping dialogues and cutscenes.
4. not exploring maps, just running to questobjectives.

well yeah, but who the hell plays a game like Dragon Age like this?

Played on Nightmare, got all charachters over 80+ Liking, even did thoes Master Wade q's for crafting items, as for not exploring maps just doing most side quests u get to explore it. Only thing i did not do was read all of Codex, read only the once that seemed interesting to me...chould have been more then 10h but not over 15h...in beetwin...Still said it was worht it...there is some good and bad parts to it, but still it was enjoyable...

[Ninomir]

fishx255 wrote...

Ingrimm22 wrote...

clocking at 30 hours and still not finished. The only way to get a 8-10h playthrough is:
1. Ignore all character-customisation (i.e. auto-level), itemcrafting, optimising your equip.
2. play on "normal" or below.
3. Skipping dialogues and cutscenes.
4. not exploring maps, just running to questobjectives.

well yeah, but who the hell plays a game like Dragon Age like this?

no, I did every sidequest, watched every cutscene, explored the map almost to much thinking I missed something and would recheck, made runes for my endgame party, and played on nightmare. I beat the game in around 14hours as a pc mage. I think it would have taken less time if I was a rogue or warrior. I have no idea what you are spending all that time on.

Not Duel Wielding Rogues any1 else getting the impression they are underpowered now in days comparing to Archery and 2h warriors?

[chaosapiant]

I think the biggest issue is that expansion packs have always been in the 20-30 dollar range. I payed a full $40 for Awakening and got just under 16 hours from it. Was it worth it? Hell yes! But would have I liked more? Hell yes!

[wrdnshprd]

chaosapiant wrote...

I think the biggest issue is that expansion packs have always been in the 20-30 dollar range. I payed a full $40 for Awakening and got just under 16 hours from it. Was it worth it? Hell yes! But would have I liked more? Hell yes!

now this i can agree with to an extent.. obviously i would have liked more content (an origin story perhaps).. but overall i was happy.. to me it was well worth the price.

[Ninomir]

Well we always do want more. Maybe our expectation were too high? We're comparing Awakening to Origins, Origins which was devoleped over, and just guessing here, 2 to 3 years? And Awakening was realesed a year after Origins? Perhers it was the devolpers fault to realese it so soon? maybe should have waited a bit longer and realsed a more full expansion...But who knows, overall as I said im happy...

[mp84]

Ninomir wrote...

Awakening was realesed a year after Origins? Perhers it was the devolpers fault to realese it so soon? maybe should have waited a bit longer and realsed a more full expansion...But who knows, overall as I said im happy...

May need to correct you as Awakenings was released only 4 months after Origins was released. Which I must say is pretty unexpected, but as like you, I'm pretty happy with the experience so far, I guess we'll see how it goes as I continue to play.

Modifié par mp84, 22 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Name a GOOD RPG which is good and is as short as Awakening. This argument comes ALL the time. RPG's are supposed to be about epic story telling, great character development, tears being shed, and surprises up the ying yang. Have you finished ANY Final Fantasy game in the last 10 years as fast as you can Awakening? I doubt it, in fact, I'm pretty sure it's impossible. To compare RPG's to other game genre's is not a fair comparison by any stretch of the imagination. Because the mere notion of RPG is Role Playing. Meaning you fill the role, you build the character up, you build up the relations in the game, you make the choices. This isn't some gunning game where you have missions and what not, and the real time span for the game comes from Multi Player. So you can go and pick up 30 games right now that have come out this year and beat them all faster than DA:OA. Are any of them RPGs? I doubt it. Why don't you all just compare how little time you spent in Tekken 6 (a fighting game) to Awakening too. Another great "fair" comparison. If you people are so hell bent on defending Awakening then get some better material and stop comparing it to games that aren't designed the same or categorized the same in ANY way/shape/form. Or maybe just go back to comparing it to a movie. Another great and fair comparison. Then you can compare a book to a movie. Such great comparisons. Give me a break.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Suikoden was pretty short, and actually they both have some similar gameplay ideas

[WARDEN9652]

i dont understand how people are finishing this game in just 10 hours, im not a slow player by any means all of my playthroughs in origins lasted around 32-50 hours as a completionists, and out of all my playthroughs in awakening they've fallen between 18-20 hours

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Suikoden was pretty short, and actually they both have some similar gameplay ideas

There are 4 of them, are there not?  Which one do you speak of?  And I can't say I thought they were really any good.  And I'm not trying to put a "standard" on RPG's, but if you WANTED to, I would say you put your standard at something such as Final Fantasy.  Given that as a standard, DA:OA fails epically by comparison.  So by all means you nut huggers run on here and rail off the excuses about how it's "an expansion" and blah blah blah.  Okay, the day they stop selling it as a regularly priced game, then I will believe it's "an expansion".  Until then, it's an over priced RPG no where near worth the heft price tag.  Anyone on the fence about purchasing DA:OA, I would recommend to you, pony up a few more dollars and buy FFXIII, because I guarantee you, you'll get your money's worth and it will be a hell of a lot more hours than 10.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Eh, my playthrough of it was around 10 hours. Granted I restarted because I messed up so it might have been around 12 hours. DIdn't complete any of the fetch quests though and the console versions play quicker.

[Onyx Jaguar]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Suikoden was pretty short, and actually they both have some similar gameplay ideas

There are 4 of them, are there not?  Which one do you speak of?  And I can't say I thought they were really any good.  And I'm not trying to put a "standard" on RPG's, but if you WANTED to, I would say you put your standard at something such as Final Fantasy.  Given that as a standard, DA:OA fails epically by comparison.  So by all means you nut huggers run on here and rail off the excuses about how it's "an expansion" and blah blah blah.  Okay, the day they stop selling it as a regularly priced game, then I will believe it's "an expansion".  Until then, it's an over priced RPG no where near worth the heft price tag.  Anyone on the fence about purchasing DA:OA, I would recommend to you, pony up a few more dollars and buy FFXIII, because I guarantee you, you'll get your money's worth and it will be a hell of a lot more hours than 10.

The first Suikoden was around 12 hours.  Final Fantasy 4 was around 20 hours, I beat Final Fantasy 7 around 17 hours (left out a lot of sidequests).  I have no real standard on RPG's because I do not believe in the term.  But as a game I feel that Awakekings to me feels like Brutal Legend or the first God of War.  It just ends when it feels like its about to start, so in that sense I would consider it too short, possibly overpriced.

[Noir201]

@Jkjediknight : Shenmue and Sudeki just to name two that's as short as awakening.

[wrdnshprd]

to me, the story and gameplay take precedence over the length.. and i want to feel like i spent my $40 well (especially in todays' economy).. for awakening i definately felt i got my moneys worth..



the story was great (the beginning of the story still shocks me though lol..), the enemies were fun, and the bonus boss fight in this game is really well done.. imo that boss fight is the funnest encounter i have come across in a bioware game.. that is no joke..



therefore, even though it may have been a bit short, because it was a fun and enjoyable experience, and because the story was well done and had interesting choices, i overall felt satisfied with paying the expansion price.



i think i would have felt differently if it felt like a DLC add-on.. but i dont know of many DLC add-ons that are as compelling as awakening.