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[Corti78]

I always thought female wardens would not go to their Calling alone. Instead of killing them I figured the darkspawn would try to capture them and make them broodmothers. I seriously doubt Alistair would let his wife chance such a fate.

Anyway I doubt its the Calling, especially with the "People believe her tale is not yet over". Obviously if a warden has heard their calling their tale is complete.

Modifié par Corti78, 22 mars 2010 - 11:32 .

[7th_Phoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

7th_Phoenix wrote...
Did anyone actually have Alistair marry Anora? I let him rule alone and keep me as his lover for my default playthrough. Hm... now I really have to play my Queen/HNF to see this epilogue. :|

My Dalish elf did, keeping herself as his mistress.  There are good reasons for and against it.  If he has to be in a political marriage, at least Anora knows the drill, and keeping her on as queen heals the civil war in a way that locking her in the tower wouldn't.

If I remember correctly, in the post-coronation, when I spoke to Eamon, he said my warden stopped the civil war. Then, I didn't know how exactly since Anora was sent to the tower and apparently without her there could have been one. But now that I think on it, I had all the nobles' support aside that one who always supports Loghain no matter. Maybe that... I don't know.

Anyway, I just didn't want Alistair to be "another Cailan" as he put it and wanted him to take the throne so that he could prove he has what he takes to rule Fereldan on his own. I mean, if hardened, Alistair studies governance and is compassionate toward the people, and surprises many. The epilogue with him as the sole ruler or married to a HNF turned out a lot better to me. But this is how I feel.

[TheBlackBaron]

errant_knight wrote...

Auresta wrote...

jsdflasd. I hope they resolve this in an expansion or something..
Also hope it's not the Calling!

What's jsdflasd?

You don't have to worry about it being the taint. That's pretty much impossible, it wouldn't be secret, and Alistair would go too. Not only would they both start showing symtoms at about the same time, but he's that kind of guy. He's not going to let the woman he loves die alone in the deep roads. He'd go with her so they could die together.

Dang. I just made myself tear up....

Well, there is the whole duty thing I brough up earlier, which is a defining aspect of Alistair's character (as much as Sten's stoicism, Leliana's girlyness, and Morrigan's...witchiness). I remain highly doubtful it's the taint, but if the Warden started showing signs of the Calling prematurely and Alistair felt the country wasn't stable enough for him to leave...I could see him staying behind.

Kay, I'm done playing devil's advocate. *equips Drakeskin armor*

Fire resistance, right?

[7th_Phoenix]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Auresta wrote...

jsdflasd. I hope they resolve this in an expansion or something..
Also hope it's not the Calling!

What's jsdflasd?

You don't have to worry about it being the taint. That's pretty much impossible, it wouldn't be secret, and Alistair would go too. Not only would they both start showing symtoms at about the same time, but he's that kind of guy. He's not going to let the woman he loves die alone in the deep roads. He'd go with her so they could die together.

Dang. I just made myself tear up....

Well, there is the whole duty thing I brough up earlier, which is a defining aspect of Alistair's character (as much as Sten's stoicism, Leliana's girlyness, and Morrigan's...witchiness). I remain highly doubtful it's the taint, but if the Warden started showing signs of the Calling prematurely and Alistair felt the country wasn't stable enough for him to leave...I could see him staying behind.

Kay, I'm done playing devil's advocate. *equips Drakeskin armor*

Fire resistance, right?

I agree and I would respect Alistair for that greatly. I can understand sacrifices might be made if this were so...

Anyway, life goes on. Speaking of which, I should go find mine.

[errant_knight]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Auresta wrote...

jsdflasd. I hope they resolve this in an expansion or something..
Also hope it's not the Calling!

What's jsdflasd?

You don't have to worry about it being the taint. That's pretty much impossible, it wouldn't be secret, and Alistair would go too. Not only would they both start showing symtoms at about the same time, but he's that kind of guy. He's not going to let the woman he loves die alone in the deep roads. He'd go with her so they could die together.

Dang. I just made myself tear up....

Well, there is the whole duty thing I brough up earlier, which is a defining aspect of Alistair's character (as much as Sten's stoicism, Leliana's girlyness, and Morrigan's...witchiness). I remain highly doubtful it's the taint, but if the Warden started showing signs of the Calling prematurely and Alistair felt the country wasn't stable enough for him to leave...I could see him staying behind.

Kay, I'm done playing devil's advocate. *equips Drakeskin armor*

Fire resistance, right?

Heh, I'm not going to flame you, but I will disagree. All logic/duty says that the PC should take the final blow against the archdemon when Alistair has been made king, but he won't allow it if he's ever loved the PC. He will if he hasn't, so it's not about duty, it's about love.

And...he'd know it would be his time soon enough. He might not want to die alone either.

[rak72]

If their were no heir, Alistair would situate Fergus on the throne, and come with me to do GW business! Or maybe just sneak off to sunny Antiva to join the crows, and get away from Emon's nagging

[Auresta]

@errant_knight: Just a question, what happens in Origins if Alistair takes the final blow for the Warden if he was already King? Anora would become Queen then, correct?

And you make a GREAT point

[rak72]

I miss Alistair, I'm going back to playing origins.

[7th_Phoenix]

errant_knight wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Auresta wrote...

jsdflasd. I hope they resolve this in an expansion or something..
Also hope it's not the Calling!

What's jsdflasd?

You don't have to worry about it being the taint. That's pretty much impossible, it wouldn't be secret, and Alistair would go too. Not only would they both start showing symtoms at about the same time, but he's that kind of guy. He's not going to let the woman he loves die alone in the deep roads. He'd go with her so they could die together.

Dang. I just made myself tear up....

Well, there is the whole duty thing I brough up earlier, which is a defining aspect of Alistair's character (as much as Sten's stoicism, Leliana's girlyness, and Morrigan's...witchiness). I remain highly doubtful it's the taint, but if the Warden started showing signs of the Calling prematurely and Alistair felt the country wasn't stable enough for him to leave...I could see him staying behind.

Kay, I'm done playing devil's advocate. *equips Drakeskin armor*

Fire resistance, right?

Heh, I'm not going to flame you, but I will disagree. All logic/duty says that the PC should take the final blow against the archdemon when Alistair has been made king, but he won't allow it if he's ever loved the PC. He will if he hasn't, so it's not about duty, it's about love.

And...he'd know it would be his time soon enough. He might not want to die alone either.

I'm back...

I think Alistair is just as concerned about duty as he is love. If you make him king, without you being his queen, he confronts you about your relationship regarding where it's now heading and that his duty as king is important. If you hardened him, you can convince to continue the relationship but if left unhardened... the relationship ends, sadly.

He has heart to tell you he loves you but not the strength of his own to decide "to hell with this; I'm king and do whatever the crap I want!" The fact you have to harden and convince him in order to continue your romance says that he's obviously he has a bigger responsibility and is willing break it off although at his and your disappointment if you allow it.

Besides, if you really love 'em... you'd let them go.

There's my two cents.

[rak72]

Despite his sense of duty to Fereldan, and the GW's, I don't think he would ever allow any harm to come to his Love.

[7th_Phoenix]

rak72 wrote...

Despite his sense of duty to Fereldan, and the GW's, I don't think he would ever allow any harm to come to his Love.

Mm... true. Ah! Now, I can't make up my own mind! This is a quarrel between love and duty!

Damn.

[SurelyForth]

He has heart to tell you he loves you but not the strength of his own to decide "to hell with this; I'm king and do whatever the crap I want!" The fact you have to harden and convince him in order to continue your romance says that he's obviously he has a bigger responsibility and is willing break it off although at his and your disappointment if you allow it.

That situation is different, though. He's trying to protect you both in the long run, since he really can't run away from his responsibilities as king nor can he, until you give him the nudge, conceive of the possibility of compromising you by keeping you as his lover. And it's not life or death, it's just incredibly sad.

I cannot imagine Alistair letting his beloved go off to face her Calling without him- under any circumstances. It's too symbolic and, after decades together, he would probably be worthless without her.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 23 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[errant_knight]

Auresta wrote...

@errant_knight: Just a question, what happens in Origins if Alistair takes the final blow for the Warden if he was already King? Anora would become Queen then, correct?
And you make a GREAT point

Indeed she would, even when Alistair is hardened, wants to be king, and believes that Anora isn't an option.

[Bratt1204]

rak72 wrote...

I miss Alistair, I'm going back to playing origins.

I understand.

[Red Frostraven]

So. Can we get an ordered tally?

Who did the ritual with morrigan out of all of you who disappeared?

1: Romanced whom?
2: Went through the dark ritual or not?
3: Killed flemeth or not?
4: Made who king or queen?
5: Killed the Architect or not?
6: Which origin?

If one of these questions turn out to have the same answer for most of the players who have their warden disappear, it could mean something.

Modifié par Red Frostraven, 23 mars 2010 - 01:58 .

[LadyDamodred]

1) Alistair - Hardened.
2) Yes.
3) Yes.
4) Alistair and myself.
5) Yes.
6) HNF.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 23 mars 2010 - 02:32 .

[Moirin]

1: Romanced Alistair, became Queen.
2: Yes.
3: Nope, I left Flemeth alive.
4: Alistair is king.
5: I killed the Architect.
6: HNF.

Also I'm curious, is there anyone out there who hardened Alistair but married him and became Queen anyway? Did you still run off with-out him in the end? I'm wondering if it's a difference of him being hardened or not.

Modifié par Spiralbutterfly, 23 mars 2010 - 02:06 .

[rak72]

1) Al (hardened)
2) Ritual
3) Flemeth Dead
4) Al & Me king & queen
5) killed arch
6)HNF

I dissapeared by myself

Modifié par rak72, 23 mars 2010 - 02:09 .

[Auresta]

1: Alistair (I THINK he was hardened, but I'm not sure.)
2: Yes
3: No
4: Me and him
5: Yes and no;  disappear alone on both occasions. 
6: HNF

Modifié par Auresta, 23 mars 2010 - 02:17 .

[Raiil]

1: Romanced whom? Alistair, unhardened.
2: Went through the dark ritual or not? Yep.
3: Killed flemeth or not? Yes.
4: Made who king or queen? Anora.
5: Killed the Architect or not? Have done both with the same character. Disappeared regardless, but always with Alistair.
6: Which origin? Mage.

Modifié par Valentia X, 23 mars 2010 - 02:58 .

[Addai]

Bratt1204 wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I miss Alistair, I'm going back to playing origins.

I understand.

I had a happy thought the other day and went to look in my inventory to see if his rose was there.  It wasn't. 

[Auresta]

Does Zevran's earring disappear too then?

[Thor Rand Al]

rak72 wrote...

I miss Alistair, I'm going back to playing origins.

Lmao I did the same dang thing, even made a new character.

I think Bioware's got a challenge on their hands.  They made this game too good lol, too addicting.  Makes me wonder what the next one's gonna be.

[errant_knight]

It really would appear that the only defining thing in whether Alistair disappears to is the marriage. That makes no sense to me. It would make sense if he disappeared two if you were both still wardens, or if you were in any kind of relationship and he went after you, but I can't imagine any situation where he would leave with his lover but not his queen except to get married--and in that case, you wouldn't disappear alone as queen. Color me baffled.

[alexa_025]

errant_knight wrote...

It really would appear that the only defining thing in whether Alistair disappears to is the marriage. That makes no sense to me. It would make sense if he disappeared two if you were both still wardens, or if you were in any kind of relationship and he went after you, but I can't imagine any situation where he would leave with his lover but not his queen except to get married--and in that case, you wouldn't disappear alone as queen. Color me baffled.

QFT. I just chose to go 'lalala I can't hear you!' through that card. Really strange. 

Modifié par alexa_025, 23 mars 2010 - 03:20 .