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[Cenwyn]

Oh almost forgot, on our way to the Deep Roads, we made mad, passionate love at least twice a night in epic proportion that almost not humanly possible.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I ran the region a little while long hung out with anders proof read oghrens letters to his kid and ruled amaranthine with a kind heart helping solve problems between nobles but people started not to trust me and eventually i was called back to action back in orlais on my Orlesian accounts to fight another blight starting to unfold in orlais cant wait to go there in dao 2.

My dude charater went back to denerim and got lelianna and we traveled around.

And my other female charater some how even though i had her as queen vanished strange @<_@
but hey im not complaining alistar was asking for it for not helping me on awakening!

Personally i like both of my ending cards but....The Orlesian one is wayyy better i like feeling like a soldier and a military leader going where i got to go. Makes me feel way more like a true warden i tire of being called the hero of ferelden i wana be the hero or orlais

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 30 mars 2010 - 01:39 .

[MelRedux]

Lady Jess wrote...
I'm already mid-way through with a Dalish Elf+Alistair, now creating a new HNF to not harden Alistair and not choose the rebuild option. Though I am fairly sure my other HNF rogue chose to stay at court...but he was hardened so. Oh well I've never played an unhardened Alistair. It's something to do while the kids hog the xbox!

The more people speak up about their queen epilogie slide in Awakening, the more I'm thinking mine, with us running off together, was a bug.  A very beneficial bug for me, but a bug.

I will replay my HNF, keep Alistair unhardened, and shoose to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  I'll see if I get the same outcome.  If anyone else is trying it, let us know how it turns out!

Of course, there are so many variables that could determine the outcome, so who knows?

[LadyDamodred]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

As I recall, my first HNF had an unhardened Alistair and I don't recall it being any different from the hardened Alistair regarding the marriage thing. Perhaps I am remembering it wrong. IIRC, his ending slide was just different, and I do not like unhardened Alistair's ending slide. :/

If you don't mind me asking what was the ending card for that particular route.  I thought there was a page on the wiki that told you about the different possible outcomes but I can't seem to find it.

The ending card for Alistair was that he spends a lot of time away from court and not really ruling b/c he hated it.  I couldn't stand that.  It made me feel so bad.

[LadyDamodred]

Ceridraen wrote...

For me, HNF, (and this was my daughter's, too) Hardened Alistair makes himself king. (you have no say in it.) He then comes to the Group Room (where he yells at you, in some circumstances) Hardened, at love, he says he has to break up with you for heirs, etc, & you can convince him to keep you as a mistress. Ack - I never did hardened Alistair & 'I'll rule beside him.' That's probably what you're asking? I assume he just accepts?

Unhardened, he accepts this (marriage) and comes to the room, is very cute, mostly to see if you really want to marry him. I think he still putters on about heirs, you say, 'not for lack of trying,' & that's that. I was happy with it. Still not 'me' happy, but it was pretty adorable.

Hardened Alistair where you say you'll rule beside him says, "You will?  Really?  This is usually the part where I wake up.  Or everyone laughs because I've no clothes on."

Then when you head back in he says, "Funny story, tell me if you've heard this one.  A guy gets made king and engaged on all the same day."  You have a few responses and he says "I'm actually fine with becoming king.  I think there's even some good I can do.  But what I'm more interested in is the engagement part."

I seriously recommend doing a HNF with hardened Alistair and ruling by his side.  I find it is FTW.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...
You have a few responses and he says "I'm actually fine with becoming king.  I think there's even some good I can do.  But what I'm more interested in is the engagement part."

And he follows this with "Are you sure about this?"  At which point you can either tell him you want to be queen, or "Sure I want to marry you?  Yes."  Which is what I always choose, because it indicates you're marrying him and not just grasping for power.  Of course, if you're roleplaying grasping for power, that's a different story.

I don't quite know how to take his follow-up response.  He sounds relieved and says "Saves me having to ask you then... phew."  But is that actual relief or Alistair making the best of yet another decision made for him??  Anyone have VO notes that might add a clue?

I have to harden him if he's going to be king, myself.  Some people prefer their HNF characters being de facto ruler of the kingdom, but I figure your PC already has enough power.  And as I see it, Alistair was meant to be king and I want him to be the best one he can be.

[LadyDamodred]

I always take it the same way as after he takes you to bed and the whole "Have I told you I love? I did? Well, it won't kill you to hear it again." I think it's humor + 'yay I get to marry the woman I love and she really loves me too' type of deal.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
You have a few responses and he says "I'm actually fine with becoming king.  I think there's even some good I can do.  But what I'm more interested in is the engagement part."

And he follows this with "Are you sure about this?"  At which point you can either tell him you want to be queen, or "Sure I want to marry you?  Yes."  Which is what I always choose, because it indicates you're marrying him and not just grasping for power.  Of course, if you're roleplaying grasping for power, that's a different story.

I don't quite know how to take his follow-up response.  He sounds relieved and says "Saves me having to ask you then... phew."  But is that actual relief or Alistair making the best of yet another decision made for him??  Anyone have VO notes that might add a clue?

I have to harden him if he's going to be king, myself.  Some people prefer their HNF characters being de facto ruler of the kingdom, but I figure your PC already has enough power.  And as I see it, Alistair was meant to be king and I want him to be the best one he can be.

It says he's joking when he says that line. Other interesting notes from that conversation: he is relieved when the PC mentions that having an heir isn't necessary and he's not thrilled by the idea of a political match (he's very dubious either way until the PC spells it out for him). He's also a bit peeved when the friend PC says something about not having his heir.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 mars 2010 - 06:39 .

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...
It says he's joking when he says that line. Other interesting notes from that conversation: he is relieved when the PC mentions that having an heir isn't necessary

Aw, Alistair... he really takes his cues from you.  Any note on his response to the "not for lack of trying" response?  That's usually mine.    As I recall, he says "That's a very good point.  Good thing we got started when we did."  and seems happy...?

Eurk, why do I have so much of this game memorized... the troll is right, I am a loser.  LOL

I am not surprised that he would not be thrilled about a political marriage.  My husband and I were talking about ninja romances in the game and though Leliana is (in)famous for that, I can never seem to not turn Alistair's romance on, either, and had no idea he had so many romance starters.  It seems a nod to the characters, however, that both Leliana and Alistair really want to fall in love.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
It says he's joking when he says that line. Other interesting notes from that conversation: he is relieved when the PC mentions that having an heir isn't necessary

Aw, Alistair... he really takes his cues from you.  Any note on his response to the "not for lack of trying" response?  That's usually mine.    As I recall, he says "That's a very good point.  Good thing we got started when we did."  and seems happy...?

Eurk, why do I have so much of this game memorized... the troll is right, I am a loser.  LOL

I am not surprised that he would not be thrilled about a political marriage.  My husband and I were talking about ninja romances in the game and though Leliana is (in)famous for that, I can never seem to not turn Alistair's romance on, either, and had no idea he had so many romance starters.  It seems a nod to the characters, however, that both Leliana and Alistair really want to fall in love.

I think the "That's a very good point.." is joking again (or humorous) and the other version, "That is me blushing." pretty much says what Alistair does when he says that line (looking around and a bit flustered).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 mars 2010 - 06:55 .

[Addai]

Aha, so there is acknowledgement in the notes that this is all being done in public??



Not sure how to take the fact that he says all that jokingly. I guess I'm reading too much into it, but that may also be because my first impression of those scenes was that Alistair was halfway pleased and halfway peeved at having a marriage decided for him by someone else, even if it is the woman he loves.

[MelRedux]

Addai67 wrote...

Aha, so there is acknowledgement in the notes that this is all being done in public??

Not sure how to take the fact that he says all that jokingly. I guess I'm reading too much into it, but that may also be because my first impression of those scenes was that Alistair was halfway pleased and halfway peeved at having a marriage decided for him by someone else, even if it is the woman he loves.

I got nothing from that scene other than Alistair being his goofy self.  I think he is happy, but per usual, jokes about everything with sarcasm.  I picture him saying all that waggling his eyebrows and goosing me or something...lol.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

Aha, so there is acknowledgement in the notes that this is all being done in public??

Not sure how to take the fact that he says all that jokingly. I guess I'm reading too much into it, but that may also be because my first impression of those scenes was that Alistair was halfway pleased and halfway peeved at having a marriage decided for him by someone else, even if it is the woman he loves.

Since the HNF at 100 Love doesn't need the persuade check at the Landsmeet (it's there, but it can't be failed) I would say he is totally ok with that marriage. However there's a line that I have no idea how to trigger at the Post-Coronation. In response to "We'll be married soon" instead of saying "I get to marry the woman I love" he could say "If I could have chosen anyone, I would have been you. So I'm ok with it." That line seems to be a nod at the fact that he had little say in the whole sitation, but I can't tell what the approval parameters are there.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 mars 2010 - 07:14 .

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Aha, so there is acknowledgement in the notes that this is all being done in public??

Not sure how to take the fact that he says all that jokingly. I guess I'm reading too much into it, but that may also be because my first impression of those scenes was that Alistair was halfway pleased and halfway peeved at having a marriage decided for him by someone else, even if it is the woman he loves.

Since the HNF at 100 Love doesn't need the persuade check at the Landsmeet (it's there, but it can't be failed) I would say he is totally ok with that marriage. However there's a line that I have no idea how to trigger at the Post-Coronation. In response to "We'll be married soon" instead of saying "I get to marry the woman I love" he could say "If I could have chosen anyone, I would have been you. So I'm ok with it." That line seems to be a nod at the fact that he had little say in the whole sitation, but I can't tell what the approval parameters are there.

What triggers it is if he's romanced but not in love.

[SurelyForth]

ejoslin wrote...

What triggers it is if he's romanced but not in love.

That's one scenario I can never manage to test out because it would require much mico-managing of approval and/or foregoing his personal quest. Thanks!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 mars 2010 - 07:26 .

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

And he follows this with "Are you sure about this?"  At which point you can either tell him you want to be queen, or "Sure I want to marry you?  Yes."  Which is what I always choose, because it indicates you're marrying him and not just grasping for power.  Of course, if you're roleplaying grasping for power, that's a different story.

I don't quite know how to take his follow-up response.  He sounds relieved and says "Saves me having to ask you then... phew."  But is that actual relief or Alistair making the best of yet another decision made for him??  Anyone have VO notes that might add a clue?

I have to harden him if he's going to be king, myself.  Some people prefer their HNF characters being de facto ruler of the kingdom, but I figure your PC already has enough power.  And as I see it, Alistair was meant to be king and I want him to be the best one he can be.

Another way to look at it, is Anora can't be trusted to rule (in my opinion), the Theirin blood line should hold the throne, but Alistair really really doesn't want to rule. The perfect answer to this, is marry the man your character loves, and do the ruling. Eamon shuts the hell up, because Theirin blood is King, Alistair doesn't have the pressure, and your HNF marries the love of her life.

[Lady Jess]

I'm resurrecting my sacrificed warden pre landsmeet, trying a console command to unharden him, and replaying the ending. If it works, I'll take her through awakenings and see what happens.

[rak72]

I always took the "phew" conversation as, he's been trying to muster the courage to ask me for a while, but hasn't done so yet. Now, I just beat him to the punch and he is relieved

[SurelyForth]

rak72 wrote...

I always took the "phew" conversation as, he's been trying to muster the courage to ask me for a while, but hasn't done so yet. Now, I just beat him to the punch and he is relieved

I always took it as him very heroically playing his dubiousness down and not freaking right the eff out. Through humor, of course. If I were in his position, madly in love or not, I would be going a little nutso. As he says in conversation if you make him king as a friend, it's a lot to process.

[MelRedux]

rak72 wrote...

I always took the "phew" conversation as, he's been trying to muster the courage to ask me for a while, but hasn't done so yet. Now, I just beat him to the punch and he is relieved

^^This

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

I always took it as him very heroically playing his dubiousness down and not freaking right the eff out. Through humor, of course. If I were in his position, madly in love or not, I would be going a little nutso. As he says in conversation if you make him king as a friend, it's a lot to process.

Right, give the fact that Alistair uses humor to deflect nervousness, it doesn't surprise me that he starts joking.  However it is hard to know what's going on underneath.  Then again, Alistair talking to you about marriage would be a nerve-wracking thing for him no matter what the circumstances (I'm picturing his cute hand motions when he's trying to work up the courage to ask you if you have feelings for him), but here he has the whole kingship finally decided.  And, he  just escaped execution.  And, he's facing a Blight as the new ruler.  As he says, no pressure or anything!

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Another way to look at it, is Anora can't be trusted to rule (in my opinion), the Theirin blood line should hold the throne, but Alistair really really doesn't want to rule. The perfect answer to this, is marry the man your character loves, and do the ruling. Eamon shuts the hell up, because Theirin blood is King, Alistair doesn't have the pressure, and your HNF marries the love of her life.

Well, it's a bit of a circular argument, but when hardened he really does want to rule.  At least, he's not content to be shoved aside.  He will still give a great deal of deference to the PC, however.  I was surprised that for my current elven character (Zevran romance), the epilogue for when she asked for the chancellorship said that he deferred a great deal to her.

[SurelyForth]

I think one of the best parts of Alistair as ruler is his willingness to take advice from others. He has a good head on his shoulders and is amenable to wisdom. He doesn't have to have an idea for it to be a good one, so it doesn't surprise me that he defers to his advisors. When he has a definite opinion on something, everyone will know.



This ties in loosely with the topic, since we're discussing the future of Alistair and the PC, but I wonder if Warden Alistair would ever propose? For some reason, I don't think he would. It seems like just being committed and carrying on Wardening and/or Adventuring would mean more to him than something Chantry-sanctioned.

[rak72]

Warden Alistair would defiantly propose!!! Especially when he sees me flirting with the new Wardens (ie Anders). If he's going to start with his "its him or me" convo, he's going to know "its a ring or Anders"

[Addai]

I have to say I think Warden Alistair would propose, too. We had this discussion about Zevran, i.e. whether or not there would be a wedding, but that centered a lot around whether either Zevran or your PC would want something Chantry-approved. That's not an issue for Alistair. But, since I haven't done this ending since my very first disaster of a character, I haven't thought about it a lot.