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[screwoffreg]

Well, E3 is only three months away and there seems to be some interesting ME 2 stuff to hold us over for awhile. So far it seems May and June will be quiet until the big event...here's hoping!!!

[Efesell]

Eh, these epilogues seem to have too many sequel hooks to write this off as the Wardens last story.

[TheBlackBaron]

screwoffreg wrote...

There there is this, from awhile ago though:

http://www.thatvideo...r-dragon-age-2/

http://www.1up.com/d...ory?cId=3178311

I'm going to have to assume the journalism industry knows something I don't (which they probably do), since February 2011 is less than two years after Origins PC was completed. Just doesn't fit the timeframe for a full-blown sequel of the length and caliber of the original, in my mind.

[Booglarize]

TheBlackBaron wrote...


They could also just reset the levels with no explanation. Some might cry, but most people I've talked to seem to recognize that levels are nothing more than an abstraction. Gear is another issue, but for that we have the Magic Bag of Spilling.

Hah, I wouldn't mind that at all myself - after all, "levels" and "experience points" are hardly essential to the "role-playing" aspect of a good RPG.

All in all, this thread has calmed my nerves a bit. It seems that there's no shortage of ways to keep the story going even without an epilogue save. I guess all that matters now is to wait for some official word - hopefully E3 will have something for us. 

[screwoffreg]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

There there is this, from awhile ago though:

http://www.thatvideo...r-dragon-age-2/

http://www.1up.com/d...ory?cId=3178311

I'm going to have to assume the journalism industry knows something I don't (which they probably do), since February 2011 is less than two years after Origins PC was completed. Just doesn't fit the timeframe for a full-blown sequel of the length and caliber of the original, in my mind.

Well, Dragon Age was originally meant to be released last Spring, from what the reports say.  If it was truly done, or near done, at that time, by Feb 2011 they would have been working on DA 2 for nearly a year and a half or more.

[TheBlackBaron]

screwoffreg wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
I'm going to have to assume the journalism industry knows something I don't (which they probably do), since February 2011 is less than two years after Origins PC was completed. Just doesn't fit the timeframe for a full-blown sequel of the length and caliber of the original, in my mind.

Well, Dragon Age was originally meant to be released last Spring, from what the reports say.  If it was truly done, or near done, at that time, by Feb 2011 they would have been working on DA 2 for nearly a year and a half or more.

I've seen what happens to games that only get a year or year and a half of development time - KotOR II was about half cut content and there was also Call of Duty 3, and I don't even think either of those games are particularly bad (hell, I like KotOR II more than the original), but there's just so much lost potential in both of them.

Well, maybe not CoD3...but KotOR II is pretty much the patron saint of great games doomed by executive-imposed early release dates.

[errant_knight]

You can only carry over levels and gear so long before it becomes ridiculous. In Awakening, I ended up with so much cash and valuable loot, money all but lost meaning. If it was carried over into a new game, inflation would be staggering.

[Tattercloak]

I'm not about to say that it's the end of road as far as the story of the Origins Grey Warden/Awakening Grey Warden Commander goes but there is at least some precedent for it happening in the case of Neverwinter Nights. The character in Hordes of the Underdark was actually supposed to be the same protagonist from Shadows of Undrentide so that did kind of leave the NWN OC protagonist in limbo.



I'd like to believe that things are a bit different this time around though as a lot of campaign variables are being stored based on the decisions of the Origins/Awakening protagonist. I guess it'll just be a matter of waiting until Feb 2011 draws a bit closer (or maybe even later) to see what happens.

[screwoffreg]

Im sure we will hear some details leaked out in June about Dragon Age IF it is a sequel. You have build SOME anticipation for it if it is coming so soon.

[Booglarize]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Well, maybe not CoD3...but KotOR II is pretty much the patron saint of great games doomed by executive-imposed early release dates.

Have to agree with you on that one - I mean, I saw some of the cut content, it was really quite brilliant (the droid factory part in particular), and I have no idea who in their right minds would want to shove a game out the door at the expense of things like that. I shudder at the thought that BioWare might fall victims to something like this - they've held out pretty well for quite a while, but after looking at Awakening I think the first cracks are starting to appear. 

[screwoffreg]

I hope EA realizes they can rush Madden games because no one expects great plots but rushing STORY based games with loyal followings is really a bad idea. People may complain about ME 2, but it was hardly rushed. The plot choices seemed to be intentional, not as a result of CRAP OUT OF TIME.

[Brockololly]

If Bioware wants to carry over the Warden I have faith in them that they could either come up with a way to keep the Warden appropriately powered or a way to "re-start" the Warden at level 1. I mean sure the ol' amnesia gag gets old, but BG2 and ME2 had decent explanations for starting the PC back at level 1 and if the sequel calls for that I'm sure Bioware can come up with a reasonable solution.

As for development time on a sequel; I think the thing to keep in mind is that not only was the meat and potatoes of Origins done back around March of last year, but the reason Origins took so long was that they had to build up the whole lore of the world and build the engine. They've got the lore down and they can just keep tweaking the engine.

The important part is they've got the foundation laid and they hopefully have a better idea of what worked and didn't work with Origins (although with their changes to the dialogue system in Awakening, well that gives me pause...)
And like others have said, especially if you start off in some place outside Ferelden, the only big decision that may have an impact would be the fate of the Architect, which could be resolved in several ways.

And as for E3 and such- If you figure that ME2 had its first teaser trailer out in around February 09 and the game was released almost around the same time the 2/1/2011 DA title is set, I would expect some info to get out at least by E3. I would hope that we'd get some info even before then, what with teasing with the card in Awakening and all.

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 mars 2010 - 05:23 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Brockololly wrote...
And like others have said, especially if you start off in some place outside Ferelden, the only big decision that may have an impact would be the fate of the Architect, which could be resolved in several ways.

Well, there's also the Morrigan thing (and I hate to keep bringing her up, because it makes me look obsessed, and I already have to try and distance myself from those Tali fans), but that could be handled via the soft canon route I mentioned earlier.

Not much else I can think of that would have a huge impact on the outside world - maybe the Sacred Ashes decision? Who's ruling Ferelden could also play a small role if politcial shenanigans are part of the sequel.

[Booglarize]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Well, there's also the Morrigan thing (and I hate to keep bringing her up, because it makes me look obsessed, and I already have to try and distance myself from those Tali fans), but that could be handled via the soft canon route I mentioned earlier.

I should hope they do that... I mean, it would be beyond disappointing if one of my Warden's relationships essentially vanishes into thin air because of a bug that demoted an NPC from "love" to "friendly".

And don't worry - I don't think you'd have to worry too much about us Morrigan fans becoming anything like the Tali folk. For one, judging from the past few threads on the topic, there's maybe seventeen or so of us on the whole site, as opposed to the tens of thousands currently in that single Tali thread. I doubt anyone even knows we're here. 

[Thalorin1919]

What exactly is there to save? It saves right before the fight with the Mother, and after you decide what to do with the Architect. After that you kill the mother no-matter what. The information is still in the last save on all the stuff you done.



So yes, it actually could be importational. And no, there journeys arent over. Its painfully obvious when the epilogue says "But nobody assumes the Wardens adventures are far from over...."

[TheBlackBaron]

Booglarize wrote...
I should hope they do that... I mean, it would be beyond disappointing if one of my Warden's relationships essentially vanishes into thin air because of a bug that demoted an NPC from "love" to "friendly".

I'm not worried about that (I have that particular base well covered) so much as the entire Dark Ritual thread in general being tossed out the window because some people were in love with the idea of a heroic sacrifice.

Although those people are dead anyways, so it's not like they could come back and have an effect on "next Dragon Age title".

[fanman72]

If there is no import option, I'm still hoping we continue our warden's story through the use of in game dialogue Q&A to determine what happened in the previous game. When it boils down to it, the only real major choices were:



-Landsmeet/

-Morrigan's baby

-If you saved the City or Vigils Keep

-If you killed the architect

-Any romances you may have had



But honestly, even many of those choices could be ignored if the plot were to take place in a land far away

[fanman72]

If there is no import option, I'm still hoping we continue our warden's story through the use of in game dialogue Q&A to determine what happened in the previous game. When it boils down to it, the only real major choices were:



-Landsmeet/

-Morrigan's baby

-If you saved the City or Vigils Keep

-If you killed the architect

-Any romances you may have had



But honestly, even many of those choices could be ignored if the plot were to take place in a land far away

[Senalda]

I think it's pretty obvious that the story of the warden is over and DA2 will start with completely different character and possibly in quite different time. Since the end texts in Awakening talk about a long time period after the end game, tens of years or even more. That doesn't really leave much room for interpretation.

Modifié par Senalda, 22 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[CybAnt1]

Just a thought, but it could be possible a future expac/sequel simply gives you the choice to import any save at any point - just like you can now with Awak. although obviously it first "prefers" the epilogue save. There might be people who have never saved their game at any point anywhere near the ending, although I think there would be autosaves.



As I understand it, the only reason Origin *has* an epilogue save is to allow you to finish up things after the ending (not that there's much you can do, but anyway). There seems to be no point to doing anything in Awak. after the ending, so it has no epilogue save. I'm just saying you can't rule out a continuation of the char by the lack of an epilogue save.

[dan107]

Exactly. Why would you need a special epilogue save when you can use any regular save for the import?

[Thalorin1919]

Senalda wrote...

I think it's pretty obvious that the story of the warden is over and DA2 will start with completely different character and possibly in quite different time. Since the end texts in Awakening talk about a long time period after the end game, tens of years or even more. That doesn't really leave much room for interpretation.

That doesnt really make sense. Some of the epilogue cards in Origins took several years to take place. King Bhelen didnt change Orzammar overnight, i'm sure that took a long time to do his reforms. It took awhile for the Chantry to find Andraste's Ashes also.

I wouldnt rule out the time factor in epilogues. I think they do that to just show what happens in the future cause we wont experience it in game. Such as rebuilding Amaranthine and Vigils Keeps, what the companions do, etc.

The Wardens story isnt over yet. >.>

[DJ0000]

I got the feeling that the whole my charecter and Leliana humping on a beach for the rest of their lives(that's how I like to imagine it : ) ) epilogue suggested that my charecter simply went and lived her life as she wished and was never in the limelight again.



The epilogue even suggested that she left her legendary blade behind, making me think that she was done with fighting.

[AuraofMana]

Games have always said something along the lines of "the story is far from over". That really doesn't suggest anything anymore.

I don't know if the new Dragon Age is a sequel (as in, Dragon Age 2). I think it would be an expansion pack, now whether that is a sequel or not is unknown. Bioware has been known in the past to do expansion packs that have practically nothing to do with the original story (may reference it, but that's about it). i.e. Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2. Also, Bioware has done sequel-esque expansions, i.e. Baldur's Gate 2.

I was really hoping they would continue the Origins + Awakening story with imports, but you can already reach level 35 in Awakening. I have a feeling Bioware is not going to add more to the level cap, and may just do a new story as an expansion. I am not sure if I would like it now. Obviously there are goods and bads to both, but I think mostly everyone agrees that the Origins story was done well and continuation of it would be interesting.

[screwoffreg]

Well, we should at least keep our savegames until June when hopefully something is announced!