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[Fiery Phoenix]

I personally think Bring Down the Sky alone is enough to prove the negativity of the batarians toward humanity. You guys realize Balak was trying to destroy one of the most successful and densely populated human colonies in the galaxy, don't you? It's bad enough they aren't even welcome in Citadel space.

[TheCrakFox]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I personally think Bring Down the Sky alone is enough to prove the negativity of the batarians toward humanity. You guys realize Balak was trying to destroy one of the most successful and densely populated human colonies in the galaxy, don't you? It's bad enough they aren't even welcome in Citadel space.

You realize Balak is one batarian, don't you?

Some of his men didn't even want to do it.

[Collider]

If they didn't want to do it, why did they come along with him? They may not have known all of the details, but it's not as if taking innocent people as slaves is a spotless endeavor either.

[Fiery Phoenix]

TheCrakFox wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I personally think Bring Down the Sky alone is enough to prove the negativity of the batarians toward humanity. You guys realize Balak was trying to destroy one of the most successful and densely populated human colonies in the galaxy, don't you? It's bad enough they aren't even welcome in Citadel space.

You realize Balak is one batarian, don't you?

Some of his men didn't even want to do it.

Of course, but it doesn't change the fact that the batarians are universally viewed negatively.

[casedawgz]

Yeah, his men didn't want to blow up Terra Nova. They thought they were just there for "a quick slave grab." That's right. A quick slave grab. Charn says that, I choose the renegade option, Shepard tells him that's more that enough reason for him to get shot. And he gets shot.

[TheCrakFox]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

TheCrakFox wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I personally think Bring Down the Sky alone is enough to prove the negativity of the batarians toward humanity. You guys realize Balak was trying to destroy one of the most successful and densely populated human colonies in the galaxy, don't you? It's bad enough they aren't even welcome in Citadel space.

You realize Balak is one batarian, don't you?

Some of his men didn't even want to do it.

Of course, but it doesn't change the fact that the batarians are universally viewed negatively.

So are the Quarians, but they're not all evil.

[Collider]

The point is Fox, no other sapient race other than the Vorcha are portrayed as universally negative.

[GodWood]

Collider wrote...
See, Bioware has the complete ability to have some Batarians being portrayed as nothing from a-e. But so far they haven't. This is not a real species we are talking about, GodWood. Bioware seems adamant on making all Batarians experienced in game as being nasty. In that light, are we unjustified in being wary of the idea of a Batarian squad mate?

Hating/distrusting/wanting to kill someone based on their race/species is stupid.
No matter how much you keep trying to justify it, it is just stupid.

[Collider]

GodWood wrote...

Collider wrote...
See, Bioware has the complete ability to have some Batarians being portrayed as nothing from a-e. But so far they haven't. This is not a real species we are talking about, GodWood. Bioware seems adamant on making all Batarians experienced in game as being nasty. In that light, are we unjustified in being wary of the idea of a Batarian squad mate?

Hating/distrusting/wanting to kill someone based on their race/species is stupid.

The funny thing is that almost all Batarians are portraying as just that - hating/distrusting/wanting to kill someone based on their race/species.

No matter how much you keep trying to justify it, it is just stupid.

We aren't talking about real aliens here. It's fictional, and it's very possible for Bioware make all Batarians as pretty nasty. They already have so far, I think that is enough to be wary.

[Fiery Phoenix]

TheCrakFox wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

TheCrakFox wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I personally think Bring Down the Sky alone is enough to prove the negativity of the batarians toward humanity. You guys realize Balak was trying to destroy one of the most successful and densely populated human colonies in the galaxy, don't you? It's bad enough they aren't even welcome in Citadel space.

You realize Balak is one batarian, don't you?

Some of his men didn't even want to do it.

Of course, but it doesn't change the fact that the batarians are universally viewed negatively.

So are the Quarians, but they're not all evil.

The quarians are hated because of the geth; they made a mistake, and they never intended for it to end the way it did. They even had an embassy on the Citadel. But after the geth envasion, they were utterly screwed up. It's only natural for the galaxy to change its view of them after such an event.

[GodWood]

Collider wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Collider wrote...
See, Bioware has the complete ability to have some Batarians being portrayed as nothing from a-e. But so far they haven't. This is not a real species we are talking about, GodWood. Bioware seems adamant on making all Batarians experienced in game as being nasty. In that light, are we unjustified in being wary of the idea of a Batarian squad mate?

Hating/distrusting/wanting to kill someone based on their race/species is stupid.

The funny thing is that almost all Batarians are portraying as just that - hating/distrusting/wanting to kill someone based on their race/species.

-sigh-
Its like you ignore the fact that we've only met a small handful of batarians and you just keep assuming the thoughts of billions of other batarians are the same.
Besides plenty of batarians seem to work quite civily with humans in groups such as the Blue Suns.

GodWood wrote...

No matter how much you keep trying to justify it, it is just stupid.

We aren't talking about real aliens here. It's fictional, and it's very possible for Bioware make all Batarians as pretty nasty. They already have so far, I think that is enough to be wary.

I doubt Bioware are stupid enough to make an entire sophisticated species so two-dimensional.

Modifié par GodWood, 10 avril 2010 - 07:42 .

[Collider]

GodWood wrote...
-sigh-
Its like you ignore the fact that we've only met a small handful of batarians and you just keep assuming the thoughts of billions of other batarians are the same.
Besides plenty of batarians seem to work quite civily with humans in groups such as the Blue Suns.

Uh, I'm not, I just said specifically that almost all of the Batarians we meet are like that. I'm fully aware that we have no indication that all Batarians are like this, just that of the ones we've seen, most are like that. the Blue Suns is a mercenary organization, working together there is nothing extraordinary in the least. Being able to work together without tearing eachother apart is also does not rule out in any way feelings of racial distrust and hatred.

I doubt Bioware are stupid enough to make an entire sophisticated species so two-dimensional.

It's a common thing in fantasy. To separate the fantasy races from the humans, they give them these sweeping traits that often makes the race seem one dimensional. So far, this is basically true of the Batarians. Seems to me the Batarians are there to give the impression that not all races are fine or okay with humans, the impression that not all of the races in the galaxy are holding hands. Unfortunately, this seems to have resulted in a race thus far adhering to a-e as aforementioned.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Come on guys, what's so bad about batarians? They're not all the same and I'm sure, Bioware will give us some examples of "good" batarians in the future, in ME2 Garrus even mentions this one guy from his old team.



But of course they could keep this "All batarians are bad guys" image in ME3 and then make an other game in ME-Universe in which you play a batarian and see a completely new side of their race... would be interesting ^^

[Fiery Phoenix]

Just to clarify: I'm not saying I REFUSE to have a batarian squad mate; no, actually, it would probably be a nice addition. I just think it's unlikely to happen given what has been revealed about the species and their relationship with humanity as of now. And quite frankly, I don't think we're missing anything by not having a batarian ally anyway.

[Collider]

Poison93 wrote...

Come on guys, what's so bad about batarians?

Their government endorses slavery. I am not about to say that all batarians are bad, but really, slavery?

They're not all the same and I'm sure, Bioware will give us some examples of "good" batarians in the future, in ME2 Garrus even mentions this one guy from his old team.

He's still a mercenary. Mercenaries don't have the best of reputations.

But of course they could keep this "All batarians are bad guys" image in ME3 and then make an other game in ME-Universe in which you play a batarian and see a completely new side of their race... would be interesting ^^

So far they've kept the Batarians are bad guys image. Whether they'll continue doing that, don't know. But I am hardly interested in playing as a race that for the most part seems to be portrayed as ignorant bigots.

Modifié par Collider, 10 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[GodWood]

Ok I'm really not in the mood to argue the obvious.
My point simply is, posts like this:

rabidhanar wrote...

Sorry, no Batarians here. My parents were killed by them, any batarian I see will kiss a bullet. You can't trust them.

Are simply stupid, I don't care what bullshit you can weave together, assuming that a possible 10 billion + batarians (men, women, children) all share the same morals, thoughts, ideals, feelings and beliefs is just stupid.

[Skilled Seeker]

Its situations like these that show us truly how bigoted the human race is. The vast majority of people say they would kill batarians on sight. No wonder it was so easy for Hitler to make all Jews seem evil.

[Collider]

Calling the human race bigots is bigoted.

[Eag07]

If we get a batarian squadmate I will certainly give him a chance, treat him as any other squadmember. It could give us a chance to learn more about Batarians, I don't think they should be all judged based on the few bad examples we've met so far. However the whole thing with slavery being an integral part of their culture doesn't exactly leave the best first impression. I'd certainly tread carefully...

[casedawgz]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Its situations like these that show us truly how bigoted the human race is. The vast majority of people say they would kill batarians on sight. No wonder it was so easy for Hitler to make all Jews seem evil.

I'd like to point out that roleplaying a Renegade Shepard who hates batarians because of Mindoir is a perfectly viable and acceptable path of roleplaying. It doesn't necessarily make you a bigoted sociopath in reality; all it guarentees is that you are roleplaying a Renegade Shepard who hates batarians because of Mindoir.

[kyle-mac]

nope. batarians suck. only good batarian is a dead one.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Eag07 wrote...

If we get a batarian squadmate I will certainly give him a chance, treat him as any other squadmember. It could give us a chance to learn more about Batarians, I don't think they should be all judged based on the few bad examples we've met so far. However the whole thing with slavery being an integral part of their culture doesn't exactly leave the best first impression. I'd certainly tread carefully...

Don't forget that slavery has been an integral part of human culture for most of our history. It seems that batarians were never able to break out of their caste system like we have (or are in the process of) since slavery seems sooooo important to them. Think of it like humans with 22nd century technology but still working off of 5th century morality.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 10 avril 2010 - 08:37 .

[RT0wn]

RT0wns are all racist towards batarians. We only care about killing them.

[Collider]

We have never had a world government, Homey, neither have all instances of slavery been integral to the corresponding culture. The Batarian government however is, referred to as "the" Batarian government, implying that the Batarians have world government. There have been plenty of cultures that did not develop slavery or have it in any significant way.

[Skilled Seeker]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Eag07 wrote...

If we get a batarian squadmate I will certainly give him a chance, treat him as any other squadmember. It could give us a chance to learn more about Batarians, I don't think they should be all judged based on the few bad examples we've met so far. However the whole thing with slavery being an integral part of their culture doesn't exactly leave the best first impression. I'd certainly tread carefully...

Don't forget that slavery has been an integral part of human culture for most of our history. It seems that batarians were never able to break out of their caste system like we have (or are in the process of) since slavery seems sooooo important to them. Think of it like humans with 22nd century technology but still working off of 5th century morality.

5th century? I think you mean 19th century. Humans are quick to cover up their dark history. Bunch of hypocrites.