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[RamsenC]

Sabresandiego wrote...

In the Jack Recruitment video I strip defenses constantly and have my squad freeze my enemies instead of wasting time trying to kill people. This video is filmed on level 30 NG+ insanity and is one of the first missions, meaning that enemies are fully upgraded and I have 1 shotgun upgrade and 1 damage protection. This is why it takes forever for me to kill things, I dont think evi or even clay would 1 shot these guys but they might. The difference in difficulty for this mission on regular insanity compared to level 30 NG+ Insanity is substantial and the video is of a casual playthrough, nothing fancy, but it demonstrates how good the scimitar is for stripping defenses from multiple targets. Of particular note is that after my overloads there is usually a sliver of shield left, and a potshot from my scimitar removes it and allows the enemy to be frozen. With a claymore or evi you would hesistate in firing those stripping shots because its a waste of ammo and gun time. I also strip the dogs of armor, then run around to let them freeze so I can conserve ammo (shotgun ammo is really limited in early game on insanity+ where it takes multiple shots to kill everything and you dont have the ammo upgrade).

With the Scimitar specifically you only strip multiple defenses at the end, before that you take enemies one by one except the enemy you did not completely die after the charge, but either way not worth arguing. I have a new argument

Since you often take shots outside melee range and prefer stripping defenses to one shot killing I submit that you would be better with a Vindicator. I made a video using the Vindicator on NG+ insanity in the same area with defense stripping in mind. I also fired outside of melee range when I could. All those pot shots at range will be much better with the Vindicator especially when you have AR accuracy. You can strafe and land headshots on a target outside of melee range. Vindicator also gets the 25% short range bonus further out than an shotgun. This is more specialized than the Scimitar of course, but it will be better at defense stripping at range and is probably safer. 

I do not suggest doing this for all Vanguards, just for this specific playstyle. 

Modifié par RamsenC, 24 mars 2010 - 12:14 .

[Sabresandiego]

The vindicator is one of the best weapons in the entire game. We are comparing shotguns though, not all weapons. Scimitar is the best of the shotguns at stripping defenses and cleaning up after biotics. Overall the vindicator is not as good as scimitar for a vanguard because its not as good in ultra close range, which is my most common position. I also dont like the sound effects of the vindicator or the feeling of it, it just doesnt feel powerful. I prefer my viper sniper rifle for long range, and a shotgun for everything else. Just because I occasionally fire the scimitar from medium range wont make me switch to an AR since 80% of my shots are from short range or melee range.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 24 mars 2010 - 12:41 .

[RamsenC]

Fair enough, was just pointing out how good the Vindicator is for that strategy. I was surprised at how easily I destroyed that area with the Vindicator though. I'm assuming this is supposed to be more difficult since it was early NG+ insanity and things only get easier as you progress, but it was no problem. I still wouldn't go anywhere without my Evi though, will definitely use my Evi+Viper file for my NG+ run.

[Sabresandiego]

RamsenC wrote...

Fair enough, was just pointing out how good the Vindicator is for that strategy. I was surprised at how easily I destroyed that area with the Vindicator though. I'm assuming this is supposed to be more difficult since it was early NG+ insanity and things only get easier as you progress, but it was no problem. I still wouldn't go anywhere without my Evi though, will definitely use my Evi+Viper file for my NG+ run.

Vindicator is definitely one of the overall best weapons in the entire game. You can use just the vindicator and kick ass even as a vanguard. It doesnt have the burst fire of the shotguns at close range however. With the scimitar I can charge, fire 1 scimitar shot at close range completely stripping defenses, then combo into a warp explosion or some other biotic effect. The vindicator isnt as good as a shotgun in close range and not as good as the viper at long range. So I'd definitely go with the shotgun/viper combo for maximum effectiveness, although you can basically use the vindicator for almost everything and do 80% as well.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 24 mars 2010 - 12:58 .

[RamsenC]

I made another video showing the Evi since this is a shotgun thread. Shows the power of the Evi pot shot, especially at the end. This is also with Evi at its weakest since it does not have shield piercing yet. Once you get that upgrade (sometime in that mission actually) the Evi is unstoppable. 

[Sabresandiego]

Good video, evi has better accuracy and range then the scim, but less clip size, lower fire rate, and less rounds.