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[Trintrin86]

...if the writers can actually answer this.

Can Anora have children?

I know its not super important overall but its important to me so I know if my character's noble intentions were for nothing. Basically I had my personal "canon" character (HFN) have Alistair marry Anora because:

1. I tried to play the character as politically saavy.  It just seemed to me that having 2 Grey Wardens on the throne would only lend credence to the ideas that the Grey Wardens had some sort of conspiracy brewing (ie Grey Wardens conscript the illigitimate son of Maric AND the only other daughter of a Teryn, murders the King and deposes the Queen in order to put their own on the throne. Anyone else smell rebellion?). Marrying Anora weakens conspiracy theories considerably.

2. Because of how I played my character, my HFN never actually saw the more devious side of Anora and has no reason to dislike her. Anora also didn't seem overly disturbed by the notion that Alistair would have a mistress so why not let the lady have what she wants?

3. My HFN loves Ferelden more than anything, and she's cognizant of Alistair's fears about Grey Wardens having children together.  Her father fought to bring the line of Calenhad back to the throne and she'll be damned if the line dies out because of her own selfishness.

I'm just interested to know if reason #3 is invalidated because Anora can't have kids.  I wouldn't change a thing about how I played my game, but it does make the whole situation a shade more heroically tragic.

[NugWrangler]

It's been said on other forums that two grey wardens cannot have children (naturally at least), but a grey warden and a normal person could. It's a very low chance, but not impossible.



I married my HNF to Alistair because I wanted to be queen. To me it makes more sense to make Fergus Cousland heir to the throne. Al and I will be dead soon and we can't have an heir, also the Couslands were the second most powerful family in Fereldan. Making Fergus the next king seems reasonable.

[Trintrin86]

It's been said on other forums that two grey wardens cannot have children (naturally at least), but a grey warden and a normal person could. It's a very low chance, but not impossible.

Yeah I had seen this too, which actually made me feel a lot better about my choice to marry Alistair and Anora. Small chance is better than no chance!

To me it makes more sense to make Fergus Cousland heir to the throne. Al and I will be dead soon and we can't have an heir, also the Couslands were the second most powerful family in Fereldan. Making Fergus the next king seems reasonable.

Totally valid way to play the character, and I do have a HFN Queen! I've played through the game 5 times now! Obsssessed! 

But in the end it bugged me that the Theirin line would die out, and I tried for an "everyone at least kind of gets what they want" ending. But after playing through RtO and reading the letters I just find it deliciously ironic that my character may have given up on being queen and instead married the love of her life off to someone who can't have kids either.

[SurelyForth]

In RTO, there is a letter from Eamon where he is nudging Cailan to set Anora aside because they've been married for five years and have had no child (and she is nearing 30). I'm not quite sure why such a thing would be included unless:

1. They are trying to stress how important Eamon feels having an heir of the Theirn bloodline is.
2. Make Eamon look like an over-involved ass.
3. Set up a situation where no combination of rulers, except solo Alistair, are likely to produce an heir (and even solo Alistair is tainted so he might not be able to even with a perfectly healthy woman).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 22 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[Gill Kaiser]

We all know a way to ensure that Alistair produces an heir. If you were truly politically savvy, you'd take that option, like I did

[SurelyForth]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

We all know a way to ensure that Alistair produces an heir. If you were truly politically savvy, you'd take that option, like I did

Heh, that is true. There might be some hereditary issues on the mother's side that might not go over so well with the Chantry, but there can be an heir.

[Xandurpein]

SurelyForth wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

We all know a way to ensure that Alistair produces an heir. If you were truly politically savvy, you'd take that option, like I did

Heh, that is true. There might be some hereditary issues on the mother's side that might not go over so well with the Chantry, but there can be an heir.

It might not be easy to get a mageborn bastard accepted as a legitimate heir, even if Alistair was willing to aknowledge it...

[Venatio]

You are wondering if Anora is infertile, a valid assumption all things considered. Well in fiction atleast there was King Arthurs mother who had been previously married to some old guy, never had a child but then hooked up with Arthurs dad and poof, we have a King. Now that could be because the old guy was, well, old.

Lets see.... King Cailan may have been infertile himself. Its possible you know, men suffer from that as well as women. Small uretha, low semen volume, even strenous riding like on horses could have contributed to the late Kings.... lack of effect.

Otherwise Anora's apparent lack of fertility can be seen as a literary device, used to make it apparent that the right King isnt on the throne.

Modifié par Venatio, 22 mars 2010 - 01:48 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Still, Calenhad's bloodline would continue, and that's the most important thing to me. Even if the child wasn't acknowledged as the heir, there's a chance that his/her child would seek to reclaim their birthright, or maybe a descendent generations later.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 22 mars 2010 - 01:47 .

[SurelyForth]

Venatio wrote...

You are wondering if Anora is infertile, a valid assumption all things considered. Well in fiction atleast there was King Arthurs mother who had been previously married to some old guy, never had a child but then hooked up with Arthurs dad and poof, we have a King. Now that could be because the old guy was, well, old.

Lets see.... King Cailan may have been infertile himself. Its possible you know, men suffer from that as well as women. Small uretha, low semen volume, even strenous riding like on horses could have contributed to the late Kings.... lack of effect.

This is all quite true. However, neither Alistair nor the MHN are prime candidates for conception themselves (magical ritual aside) and neither marriage is for love. Efforts might be thwarted by lack of interest depending on how affectionately Anora comes to feel about her spouse (I'd set the low end benchmark as unhardened Alistair/hardened Alistair with Loghain alive and the high end as the MHN). Since she apparently doesn't care if she has an heir (as she never remarries if you place her on the throne by herself) I don't think she's going to be pushing the issue if she doesn't want to.

[Venatio]

It's not like being related to Calenhad meant you would be a good King. King Arland was somehow related to the line and came to power, and he was a right bastard at that. We almost got a Dryden on the throne, the charismatic Arlessa, Sophia Dryden. She didnt do it, but Arland is an example of how blood isnt everything.

[nranola]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Still, Calenhad's bloodline would continue, and that's the most important thing to me. Even if the child wasn't acknowledged as the heir, there's a chance that his/her child would seek to reclaim their birthright, or maybe a descendent generations later.

Took the words right out of my mouth.  Of course, that's assuming the heir would live long enough to make little Theirins of his/her own. I guess that's one good thing that comes out of that particular incident; makes me feel a little better about going through with it. xD

[Xandurpein]

In the real world most 'sacred' bloodlines lasted for a fewer generations then you might think. I doubt that there isn't a royal house in Europe that contains direct decendants of whoever ruled 1000 years ago.

[Venatio]

Birth isnt everything, Loghain says so himself. We can say to him that Allistair was just as deserving of the throne as Anora because she was the son of a farmer (Loghain) and He'll respond.

"I was Teryn by then. I found out that you can gain power in one of two ways, by birth and by blood. I had the respect of the nobility for my victories on the battlefield." Or something of the sort.

SurelyForth wrote...


This is all quite true. However, neither Alistair nor the MHN are prime candidates for conception themselves (magical ritual aside)...

Not so, if we refuse the magical ritual but bed Morrigan atleast once she will still be with child when she leaves, thus we know it is possible. 


What does it matter that Calenhads line dies? Hail the Couslands, saviors of Ferelden, bringers of a Golden Age!

Modifié par Venatio, 22 mars 2010 - 02:03 .

[SurelyForth]

Venatio wrote...

What does it matter that Calenhads line dies? Hail the Couslands, saviors of Ferelden, bringers of a Golden Age!

Well, hail the Couslands if they are, in fact, the Hero of Ferelden. If not, it's just Fergus who isn't terribly heroic (just stupidly lucky, discounting the whole "family killed in their sleep" thing).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 22 mars 2010 - 02:06 .

[Venatio]

SurelyForth wrote...

Venatio wrote...

What does it matter that Calenhads line dies? Hail the Couslands, saviors of Ferelden, bringers of a Golden Age!

Well, hail the Couslands if they are, in fact, the Hero of Ferelden. If not, it's just Fergus who isn't terribly heroic (just stupidly lucky, discounting the whole "family killed in their sleep" thing).

Details, details.

[Gill Kaiser]

I agree that blood isn't everything. It's just a shame to let the Theirin bloodline die when it's endured for so long.

[Venatio]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I agree that blood isn't everything. It's just a shame to let the Theirin bloodline die when it's endured for so long.

I can say the same about I a tree I cut down and made into a chair, doesnt mean I still wont sit in it.

[Gill Kaiser]

Well, why would you cut down a tree when there's a tree felled by a storm right next to it?

[SurelyForth]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I agree that blood isn't everything. It's just a shame to let the Theirin bloodline die when it's endured for so long.

Yeah, but at what point does one stop and ask themselves "Am I doing this for a good reason, or am I doing it just to do it?"

And we don't even know for certain that Calenhad's line has remained unbroken all these long years. Who is to say that somewhere along the way, some queen didn't dally with a knight, or a merchant and just pass said child off as the heir? From what we know of them, it seems that Brandel, Maric, Cailan and Alistair could all easily be swayed, knowingly or unknowingly, into acknowledging a child that wasn't theirs.

[Trintrin86]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

We all know a way to ensure that Alistair produces an heir. If you were truly politically savvy, you'd take that option, like I did

Well of course I took that option! Since everyone (well except Lohgain) is alive at the end!

But the ritual child isn't really the best candidate for an heir is s/he? Yes the bloodline would continue in theory, but we're not even sure what this "child" is even mortal/human, whatever!

[Venatio]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Well, why would you cut down a tree when there's a tree felled by a storm right next to it?

Because a healthy tree makes a better chair and is easier to salvage, while a felled tree left to rot might be worse off and requires more manpower to move. Besides, better to take fate into your hands than wait for it to strike on your behalf.

Thats how wars are won and furniture made.

Modifié par Venatio, 22 mars 2010 - 02:22 .

[Buddhess75]

Well if you talk to Anora in DAO she does say that Cailan had his women, so the guy could have had several mistresses or lovers around ferelden/outside it...and there is no talk of any bastard kid, so it could be him the infertile one and not her.



im hoping for the sake of my cousland that it was him ;P

[Behindyounow]

*Sniff* That was a beautiful metaphor!

[Venatio]

Behindyounow wrote...

*Sniff* That was a beautiful metaphor!

Thank you *hands over a tissue*

Modifié par Venatio, 22 mars 2010 - 02:40 .