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[Thalorin1919]

I put Alistiar on the throne always. The Theirin bloodline makes me of more reason to do it. Why? Several reasons.



The theirin bloodline UNITED Ferelden, and Ferelden has always been lead by a King or Queen of the Theirin bloodline. I just view that as a important factor, especially since Fereldens are proud of the fact that they have had an enduring royal bloodline.



But even that, I still believe Alistair makes a better King anyways. He proves to be very popular, and he listens to the people - including the elves. In my playthroughs Anora was always devious and traitoruous. She was willing to slander her father to gain the throne, or betray the Warden who saved her to get the throne.



Just like Alistair has said "She is her fathers daughter, they think they are the only people that can fix things. And whats stopping her from betraying us if she takes the throne?"

[Tinnic]

Anora didn't love Cailan and apparently Cailan wasn't all that faithful to her. So their lack of heir might be due to the fact that they weren't having sex enough. Indeed, Anora strikes me as someone with a very low sex drive or rather, I think she has other priorities in life then sex. Plus her daddy complex is a bit of a worry.

I mean, if she is made Queen on her own, she never marries because she can never find a man equal to her father. She clearly thought Cailan was a fool, maybe her opinion of him was low enough that she never let her touch him. Would she have a higher opinion of Alistair? Hard to say. Hardened and un-hardened, Alistair is much, much, much, much, much superior to Cailan. Anora is pretty much blinded by her daddy and Alistair's hate for Loghain will not exactly disappear.

So you know, it's might not be a fertility problem but a simple lack of sex problem.

Modifié par Tinnic, 22 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[Zy-El]

That's why I had my HNM marry Anora and became prince/consort; I had Alistair execute Loghain. I left Alistair "softened" - I just could not take away that puppy-dog attitude of his. He and my HNM were the best of fighting buddies - he'd aggro and I'd do the stab in the back; we worked great as a team! And I wanted to keep him around to rebuild the GW's.

As a strong King-figure, Anora have more respect for me than either Alistair or Cailan.  If my HNM can get Anora to conceive, we have a Cousland on the throne. Alistair never wanted the throne and he's happy not being in charge; however, that does not prevent his heirs from claiming the throne and continuing the Theirin bloodline. Despite Alistair denying all claims to the throne for him and his heirs, that can change after Anora's gone - by old age, of course. If Anora cannot conceive, the Mac Tir line dies out.

Modifié par Zy-El, 22 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[AuraofMana]

God I hate Anora, she's devious and annoying. When I see her, I just want to shove a sword in her face. I never even ask for her support so she can betray me during Landsmeet. Then I get to kill Loghain, who is a dick, and see her eyes just losing focus when he is struck down.

As HNF, I just married a hardened Allistair with the DR ending. Everyone already knows the girl is the one wearing the pants in the relationship with Allistair, so being Queen really helps Allistair, the Couslands, and Ferelden as a whole.

[nranola]

Tinnic wrote...

Anora didn't love Cailan and apparently Cailan wasn't all that faithful to her.

Anora does state that she loved Cailan if you ask her, although she doesn't say it with a lot of feeling. Make of that what you will.

Modifié par nranola, 22 mars 2010 - 03:50 .

[SurelyForth]

nranola wrote...

Tinnic wrote...

Anora didn't love Cailan and apparently Cailan wasn't all that faithful to her.

Anora does state that she loved Cailan if you ask her, although she doesn't say it with a lot of feeling. Make of that what you will.

If notes in the toolset are anything to go by, she really didn't care much for Cailan.

[Tinnic]

nranola wrote...

Tinnic wrote...

Anora didn't love Cailan and apparently Cailan wasn't all that faithful to her.

Anora does state that she loved Cailan if you ask her, although she doesn't say it with a lot of feeling. Make of that what you will.

What I gathered from that was more, Anora loved Cailan as her childhood friend and playmate. I mean, once I reloaded and old save and spared Loghain in order to get the Xbox achievement and while I had him, I took him to Ostagar for all the additional interaction he and Wynn have while you go through the place. So I also chatted to him a bit and found out essentially that Anora never had a friend in her life until she moved to Denerim and into the Royal Palace and even then Cailan was basically it. So I am sure Anora loved Cailan as a friend and maybe had some sort of an affection for him as her husband. But I think it was all in the lukewarm territory. 

[Gill Kaiser]

Yes, Anora loved Cailan as a friend and as a nice guy, but I don't think she respected him. A big part of real love is mutual respect.

[odiedragon]

Venatio wrote...
Lets see.... King Cailan may have been infertile himself. Its possible you know, men suffer from that as well as women. Small uretha, low semen volume, even strenous riding like on horses could have contributed to the late Kings.... lack of effect.
 

Well thank the Maker this is Ferelden then. 

[Vicious]

No proof if she is infertile or not. Loghain indicates she is is fertile[Awakenings] and that Anora is simply not particularly sexual, since when he asked her about heirs she gave him what he said a 'horrified look' and that despite this, the PC may not want to 'wait much longer.' [foreshadowing their disappearance? hm]





Anyway, it's a medieval setting, so of course her womb is FILLED WITH SEA SERPENTS! It's never the guy's fault.

[Fault Girl]

No matter what playthrough that i do i just can never let Anora be queen. I just think she's evil. haha

[Selej]

As some people have pointed out, I think it was cailan that was infertitle iknsted of Anora.

[Behindyounow]

Why does everyone assume Cailan is the infertile one?

[Buddhess75]

because hes the big kid in their relationship ?

[Trintrin86]

Oh, I totally understand that it could have been that Cailan's little swimmers weren't up to the task and Anora's just fine. I'm just trying to put my character's full story together in my head. She hates the idea of sharing Alistair with Anora at all, and she's a little afraid that maybe something *will* blossom between the two of them. But at the same time she loves him too much to let him go completely. I'd just like to know from a meta-standpoint if her angst is worthwhile.

[SurelyForth]

Trintrin86 wrote...

Oh, I totally understand that it could have been that Cailan's little swimmers weren't up to the task and Anora's just fine. I'm just trying to put my character's full story together in my head. She hates the idea of sharing Alistair with Anora at all, and she's a little afraid that maybe something *will* blossom between the two of them. But at the same time she loves him too much to let him go completely. I'd just like to know from a meta-standpoint if her angst is worthwhile.

Well, if you take Eamon's letter into consideration you could roleplay that effectively into a decision to NOT put Anora on the throne, just in case. In medieval times a lack of heir would be blamed on the wife and, if there is any doubt that Anora could produce an heir (especially given Alistair's pre-existing issues), a person in that situation could very well decide on their own that it isn't worth the risk (especially since neither one of them are terribly keen on each other while you're wheeling and dealing).

[Trintrin86]

SurelyForth wrote...

Trintrin86 wrote...

Oh, I totally understand that it could have been that Cailan's little swimmers weren't up to the task and Anora's just fine. I'm just trying to put my character's full story together in my head. She hates the idea of sharing Alistair with Anora at all, and she's a little afraid that maybe something *will* blossom between the two of them. But at the same time she loves him too much to let him go completely. I'd just like to know from a meta-standpoint if her angst is worthwhile.

Well, if you take Eamon's letter into consideration you could roleplay that effectively into a decision to NOT put Anora on the throne, just in case. In medieval times a lack of heir would be blamed on the wife and, if there is any doubt that Anora could produce an heir (especially given Alistair's pre-existing issues), a person in that situation could very well decide on their own that it isn't worth the risk (especially since neither one of them are terribly keen on each other while you're wheeling and dealing).

Very true, but on the same token at least Anora is the "devil we know." And for political manuvering having the beloved Queen of Ferelden marry a man her father claims is an enemy kind of lends a little more weight to the idea that maybe her father *did* betray her husband at Ostegar...Eh...just musings. I went back and forth a number of times on the "Alistair Rules Alone" and "Alistair Rules with Anora" Fortunately I have a save right before the Landsmeet if I ultimately change my mind.

[Urazz]

I prefer Alistair to marry Anora. We don't know for sure if it's Anora that's barren and not Cailan. After all, he was the one that fooled around with alot of girls in the first place. Or maybe they never had sex or had sex not very often.



Not only that but Anora and Alistair make quite the effective pair if Alistair is hardened and both end up well loved by the people.

[Janni-in-VA]

Anora's fertility or lack thereof is something I've wondered about also. I've only played two endings so far, both with the Dark Ritual. In one, my DNF had Alistair and Anora marry. She saw it as the best solution for the problem in that there would be a Theirin on the throne and Anora (who was rightfully queen) would keep her throne. In the other ending, my EMF left Anora on the throne alone while she and Alistair went off to rebuild the Gray Wardens. Alistair is concerned about being able to have children because of the taint. It isn't unheard of for two Gray Wardens to have a child, it's just astonishingly rare. Odds are better with an untainted mother, but still pretty small. I'm sure the developers are trying to keep options open, but I'd love to know if Anora can have children.

[Xandurpein]

My HNF married Anora and while I had no illusions about this being more than a business relationship, She is still a good Queen and a beautiful woman. The whole idea of 'melting the ice queen' is one of the oldest archetypes in romantic fiction after all. Just because you don't get to see it in the game, doesn't mean it'll never happen.

While I think Alistair is wonderful guy, I doubt he has it in him to actually get through Anora's emotional armor. Alistair and Anora complement each other as rulers, but I don't think they can give each other what the other one needs emotionally, so it would probably end up a very cold marriage. On the whole I think a HNM who is serious about doing his best, both as King and husband could end up being better for her, and the same for HNF and Alistair. While there is no romance at all with Anora, there is a few hints that Anora isn't completely unmoved by him either.

I liked the HNM as KIng ending of Awakening when Anora welcomes him back, but I was a bit put off by the panel where it says the Hero disappeared from the court a few years later , as I certainly have no intention of doing so. I'd rather retire that character and imagine staying as King, than sneak off to play a sequel really.

As for Anora having children. I don't know the answer either, but I sure intend to try my best to find out...

Modifié par Xandurpein, 23 mars 2010 - 11:44 .

[Nobody Important]

Loghain makes it very clear his daughter can have children by his cameo in awakening.

[Xandurpein]

Nobody Important wrote...

Loghain makes it very clear his daughter can have children by his cameo in awakening.

Given the medical science at the time I doubt his opinion can count as proof of very much except that she isn't beyond childbearing age.

[M-Taylor]

Xandurpein wrote...


I liked the HNM as KIng ending of Awakening when Anora welcomes him back, but I was a bit put off by the panel where it says the Hero disappeared from the court a few years later , as I certainly have no intention of doing so. I'd rather retire that character and imagine staying as King, than sneak off to play a sequel really.

The same sort of ending for my Human Female Noble ending, and to be quite honest, I wasn't amused at alllll. I based her loosely on Anne Boleyn, she tried everything to get the throne, and when she eventually got it with an unhardened Alistair, she 'disappears'? IC, she really would not do that. She got her dream deal, and was basically a sole ruler with a weak husband. /sigh

Sorry, off-topic I know. On topic, I don't understand why people are so set that two grey wardens cannot have children. Yes, the writers said they can't have children the natural way, and I fully understand/accept that, how ever, this is a realm of magic and dragons. Hell, one grey warden will have difficulty with fertility, yet the ritual with Morrigan produces a child on the first go. Just use your imagination.. for example, you turned to the forbidden arts of Blood Magic, and used it to produce a child, but the cost of it is dying in child birth. I mean, it's not very good, and not very imaginitive, but it's something, so until the writers say two grey wardens can never have children, no matter what they do, I will continue believing that they can have children through magic. (Note, the writers did say 'naturally', so it even might be some kind of story-line were you use magic to produce a child? /shrug)

[Alcanazar]

Anora is older than Cailan. I get the impression that she hands him coloring books to keep him out of her way. She doesn't respect him. When she asks Loghain if he killed Cailan, her response seems to be more of a 'do I have to do everything myself' than a 'you evil bastard'. The marriage was a political one. We're told it becomes 'something more'. The kneejerk response is that she fell for the big lug,  but let's face it, she's not the romantic--Cailan is.  She's the only one who says he had affairs; and outside of those very interesting letters in Ostagar there isn't any proof of affairs.  Anora is icy as hell, and I doubt Alistair or anyone else can get through that. It's possible that she hated sex, or hated it with men.  That she compares every man to Daddy is more than a little bit creepy.

[Thalorin1919]

Xandurpein wrote...

My HNF married Anora and while I had no illusions about this being more than a business relationship, She is still a good Queen and a beautiful woman. The whole idea of 'melting the ice queen' is one of the oldest archetypes in romantic fiction after all. Just because you don't get to see it in the game, doesn't mean it'll never happen.

While I think Alistair is wonderful guy, I doubt he has it in him to actually get through Anora's emotional armor. Alistair and Anora complement each other as rulers, but I don't think they can give each other what the other one needs emotionally, so it would probably end up a very cold marriage. On the whole I think a HNM who is serious about doing his best, both as King and husband could end up being better for her, and the same for HNF and Alistair. While there is no romance at all with Anora, there is a few hints that Anora isn't completely unmoved by him either.

I liked the HNM as KIng ending of Awakening when Anora welcomes him back, but I was a bit put off by the panel where it says the Hero disappeared from the court a few years later , as I certainly have no intention of doing so. I'd rather retire that character and imagine staying as King, than sneak off to play a sequel really.

As for Anora having children. I don't know the answer either, but I sure intend to try my best to find out...

Your noble probably left due to his misery. Yeah, he could've tried with Anora. But she married you so she could get the throne. She could probably care less about anything else other then ruling.

Plus I dont even think her and Cailan had sex more then 5 times. You can tell she is icy, and I doubt she likes the feeling of being dominated in bed as she would be uncontrolling of that feeling.