I just finished the Hades' Dogs assignment in Mass Effect, my second playthrough and the first in which I'll do all the sidequests. I recall that in Mass Effect 2, during the intro talk with Jacob/betrayer guy, Shepard can choose and option in which she knows who the Illusive Man is from her Spectre days. I also think she says "finally" before meeting Illusive Man, implying that she had known of him for a long time. But I never heard any mention of Illusive Man during the quests, and I don't think Kohaku mentioned him. I havn't done the Noveria sample quests and the Toombs sidequest, is he introduced there?
Illusive Man in Mass Effect (1)?
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 07:08
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She was simply saying "finally" at finally being able to meet the Cerberus leader.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 07:37
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There was extremely little information on Cerberus in the first game. We only know what you can gather from Kahoku before he dies (Pro-human elite black ops, top level clearance, gone rogue) and from what you see during one other sidequest where you learn of them infecting a research team on an uncharted world, can't remember the name. We also gather that they have agents placed high-up in the Systems Alliance, as Kahoku's death is labeled "natural causes" in the news report.
Other than that, you don't meet the Illusive Man nor have the chance to talk to any agent of Cerberus in ME1.
Other than that, you don't meet the Illusive Man nor have the chance to talk to any agent of Cerberus in ME1.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 08:40
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Ah, ok. Also, one more thing. Kohaku mentions that Cerberus only went rogue a few months previous to ME1 events. But Jack for example was obviously abused by Cerberus at least two decades or more before, and that Cerberus was obviously rogue and corrupt.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 08:44
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gauntz wrote...
Ah, ok. Also, one more thing. Kohaku mentions that Cerberus only went rogue a few months previous to ME1 events. But Jack for example was obviously abused by Cerberus at least two decades or more before, and that Cerberus was obviously rogue and corrupt.
ME2 Spoilers: The Telton facility went rogue more or less on it's own for all we know it was supposed to be a legit human Biotic school like the one the alliance had. I don't know if there is any hard and fast info on what 'going rogue' means in ME terminology.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 08:47
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Hmm... good point. I think the devs never intended to explore Cerberus in such a major manner, so you could expect a few discrepancies between ME1 and ME2. However, there are some explanations:
1) Kohaku doesn't have all the information. Which is quite likely.
2) The Cerberus from ME1 are a division by themselves. EDI mentions that Cerberus is structured into many such divisions that operate independently. So he might refer to that in "gone rogue", not to the whole organization.
3) Kohaku's exact words were "they've gone completely rogue", now the use of "completely" might be out of desperation, or it might have a more subtle layer. He could have meant that Cerberus did operate illegally and corruptly in the past, but not to this degree (e.g. openly attacking Alliance troops and performing experiments on moons). This one is less likely but it's a possibility.
Or maybe BioWare hasn't really thought about this, and considering the little ammount we know of Cerberus in ME1, they didn't need to.
1) Kohaku doesn't have all the information. Which is quite likely.
2) The Cerberus from ME1 are a division by themselves. EDI mentions that Cerberus is structured into many such divisions that operate independently. So he might refer to that in "gone rogue", not to the whole organization.
3) Kohaku's exact words were "they've gone completely rogue", now the use of "completely" might be out of desperation, or it might have a more subtle layer. He could have meant that Cerberus did operate illegally and corruptly in the past, but not to this degree (e.g. openly attacking Alliance troops and performing experiments on moons). This one is less likely but it's a possibility.
Or maybe BioWare hasn't really thought about this, and considering the little ammount we know of Cerberus in ME1, they didn't need to.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 08:50
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I have played ME1 through multiple times, and don't recall Cerberus being a very big part - more of side lore. However, the Illusive Man doesn't seem too illusive in ME2, considering everyone seems to know about him. The Shadow Broker is who I want to meet. I'm betting it is Harbinger.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 09:02
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gauntz wrote...
I just finished the Hades' Dogs assignment in Mass Effect, my second playthrough and the first in which I'll do all the sidequests. I recall that in Mass Effect 2, during the intro talk with Jacob/betrayer guy, Shepard can choose and option in which she knows who the Illusive Man is from her Spectre days. I also think she says "finally" before meeting Illusive Man, implying that she had known of him for a long time. But I never heard any mention of Illusive Man during the quests, and I don't think Kohaku mentioned him. I havn't done the Noveria sample quests and the Toombs sidequest, is he introduced there?
You have the option of knowing who Cerebus is while talking to Jacob in the begining. Not Illusive Man.
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Posté 22 mars 2010 - 09:58
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DMTyrisis wrote...
I have played ME1 through multiple times, and don't recall Cerberus being a very big part - more of side lore. However, the Illusive Man doesn't seem too illusive in ME2, considering everyone seems to know about him. The Shadow Broker is who I want to meet. I'm betting it is Harbinger.
That would be hilarious if Harbinger was the Shadow Broker considering the Shadow Broker wasn't keen on what Sovereign's puppet Saren was doing throughout ME1.
I keep telling people, Harbinger and Sovereign hated each other.
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Posté 25 mars 2010 - 03:10
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There was a time when I thought the Illusive Man was the guy who speaks to you about the files when you finish the Hades Dog assignment.
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Posté 25 mars 2010 - 06:29
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Interesting that that never comes up in ME2.FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
There was a time when I thought the Illusive Man was the guy who speaks to you about the files when you finish the Hades Dog assignment.
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Posté 25 mars 2010 - 07:14
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Note:
TIM hates the Shadow Broker, and vica versa.
TIM hates the Reapers, and maybe the same applies vica versa
The Shadow Broker doesn't like the Reapers, and perhaps that feeling is mutual
TIM hates the Shadow Broker, and vica versa.
TIM hates the Reapers, and maybe the same applies vica versa
The Shadow Broker doesn't like the Reapers, and perhaps that feeling is mutual
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Posté 25 mars 2010 - 08:39
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If you read Redemption you will see that Liara is working with Cerberus to get Shepards body back from the Shadowbroker so he or they can't sell his body to the Collector's who are tools for the reapers.So my Idea for who the Shadow broker is really Miranda's Father who is the richest man in the Galaxy.And has all this power at his command.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 02:48
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Its been said that the shadow broker has been around since the time of steam engines though. But I think we are digressing just a tad, I'll have to reply ME1 to hear about that dialog that FieryPhoenix7 was talking about.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:10
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Just a heads up, guys: I'm posting in this section for a reason; I haven't played ME2 yet (in a few weeks, though). Normally, I would discuss these things in the ME2 section. So anything about the Man/Cerberus or the Shadow Broker that was never mentioned in ME1 or ME Ascension and is mentioned in ME2 is definitely unknown to me.
My theory on that one Shadow Broker agent being the Illusive Man is entirely speculative; just something I came up with after reading Ascension and replaying ME1. But I no longer really believe it's even possible.
And BellatrixLugosi, the dialog is automatically initiated after you finish the Hades' Dog assignment(s) and open the Galaxy Map while back onboard the Normandy. It's a pretty vague conversation over all, but it also makes you think about the true identity of the Shadow Broker and their -- if any -- relationship with Cerberus. Not to mention the guy speaking refuses to even tell you his name -- "Who I am is inconsequential."
My theory on that one Shadow Broker agent being the Illusive Man is entirely speculative; just something I came up with after reading Ascension and replaying ME1. But I no longer really believe it's even possible.
And BellatrixLugosi, the dialog is automatically initiated after you finish the Hades' Dog assignment(s) and open the Galaxy Map while back onboard the Normandy. It's a pretty vague conversation over all, but it also makes you think about the true identity of the Shadow Broker and their -- if any -- relationship with Cerberus. Not to mention the guy speaking refuses to even tell you his name -- "Who I am is inconsequential."
