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[Cyberpunk]

In the beginning when Anora asks if you want to add anything to save Anders, you can refuse.

Does that mean he dies?

I am playing a very lawful person (by that I mean lawful to the letter not according to what is actually right).

[Champion1]

It means he disappears and you never see him again. Templars probably kill him, but I don't think you're told.

[Cyberpunk]

great thanks for the reply. Apostates....

[SurelyForth]

Do you think he killed the templars in the Keep? If not, then why not choose the neutral option ("He helped") which means he would probably just be sent back to the Tower and imprisoned again, which is fitting the crime of escaping.



If you think he did kill the templars, just let Rylock have him with no endorsement. He will probably be executed.

[Gilsa]

He's accused of being a murderer, both in front of the King and Queen, and when you do his personal quest. The templar goes as far as to say she'll see him hanged. It is likely you send him to his death, but you won't really know. Epilogue isn't going to mention him.

[trigger2kill1]

As I recall durring the game you come into where Anders is at and he is casting a spell of fire something-or-other and then he looks up and says "wasn't me...I didn't do anything" or something equally Bart Simpson-esque. I figured that he was guilty as all hell so I conscripted him. That is the point right aquire able bodies and kill things. Well anybody that can single handedly kill 6 or so templars fits quite nicely into the able body sort....right?
Hell I'm all for capital punishment. But if the point is to get some sort of amends then what better way of getting amends than public service the ultimate kind where you kill or are killed.

Modifié par trigger2kill1, 22 mars 2010 - 08:52 .

[Sarah1281]

I am playing a very lawful person (by that I mean lawful to the letter not according to what is actually right).

And legally you have every right to conscript him, no matter what the deluded Templar you have to kill in his quest says. I know she says the Chantry's authority supercedes that of the Crown, but while Alistair might conceivably overstep his authority since he's new, Anora also allows it and we can be reasonably sure that she knows what is and is not within her power by now.

[Vicious]

she says the Chantry's authority supercedes that of the Crown, but while Alistair might conceivably overstep his authority since he's new, Anora also allows it and we can be reasonably sure that she knows what is and is not within her power by now.

Well put.

[Urazz]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I am playing a very lawful person (by that I mean lawful to the letter not according to what is actually right).

And legally you have every right to conscript him, no matter what the deluded Templar you have to kill in his quest says. I know she says the Chantry's authority supercedes that of the Crown, but while Alistair might conceivably overstep his authority since he's new, Anora also allows it and we can be reasonably sure that she knows what is and is not within her power by now.

The Chantry likes to think their authority is supreme and so everyone has to follow it much like the Catholic Church in the past.  Unless the ruler does something big enough for the people to really stand against him/her, then the Chantry really has no power in the matter even if they have a small army of templar at their command.

If they try to use those templars for something like that, then the Chantry ends up looking bad and the people will end up fighting against them and there will be a possible split in the relgion much like what happened to Christianity again.

[MutantSpleen]

A Grey Warden's Right of Conscription supersedes everyone though. They can conscript anyone from a beggar to a king himself with the Right of Conscription.  You didn't need Alistair's approval, that ticked me off a little.

"I will allow it"  <_<

I don't need you to allow it Alistair.  You can say that to make the Templar back down before I have to melt her face off but I don't need your approval.

The Chantry can't override a Conscription because of Grey Warden authority not the Crown, she also pissed me off.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 23 mars 2010 - 10:31 .

[Efesell]

Well, you may not NEED his approval, but it goes a long way. Especially when the right has the potential to get the Wardens into trouble politically.

Chantry is certainly prickly enough for it.

[sylvanaerie]

And considering Alistair thought he and Duncan were going to get arrested when Duncan conscripted him from the Chantry I saw it as Al just "backing me up" against the templar ****.

[MutantSpleen]

I took it as him just backing me up to quite the Templar too but then again he seemed a little smug when he said it.



I think they would be pretty foolish to screw with the Wardens again after seeing how the last time they booted them from Ferelden it crippled their ability to face the Blight when it appeared there.

[Efesell]

Maybe that's just his "Oops, time to act like a King" voice.

[Xandurpein]

My HNM is Prince of Fereldan as well as Warden Commander and I sure as hell don't bow to the Chantry. If Anders did something that was thoroughly reprehensible I might have him beheaded myself, but that Templar hag doesn't touch him...

[KnightofPhoenix]

If you want to be lawful to the letter, then you have every right to conscript him. However, you do not have the right to destroy his philactery.

[Xandurpein]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If you want to be lawful to the letter, then you have every right to conscript him. However, you do not have the right to destroy his philactery.

True, but I never was quite that lawful to the letter...

[SurelyForth]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If you want to be lawful to the letter, then you have every right to conscript him. However, you do not have the right to destroy his philactery.

But it's worth doing so you can mentally mock Rylock later. Obviously, she needed to have a good, long conversation with Sgt. Kylon about the foolhardiness of challenging the Warden.

[Nioxide]

During the early conscription point with the Alistair / Anora, you can turn him over and he'll die/jailed. However, during his personal quest, you can again decide to turn him over to the Templars.

At this stage you can see what Anders is really about. He was bought into the Circle while he was a teenager. So he does have a point of comparision and understands what life outside the Circle actually means, unlike Wynne or Irvin. This is why he craves freedom more than anything.

He doesn't like following the Chantry line, and disapproves of hunting apostates or maleficarum, but if you have him in the group and talk to Wynne in Amaranthine, you can see that even he is against the Circle completley branching out from the Chantry. So he does undertsand the powerplay and the point of having some policing for mages. When talking to him near the tree outside Ameranthine, one of the lines is "With great power comes great responsibility".

So, you can have him killed/jailed at two points in the game, but to be honest hes one of the better characters, so I normally keep him . Unlike Veleanna who is complete and utter moody b*tch.

Modifié par Nioxide, 23 mars 2010 - 12:06 .

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If you want to be lawful to the letter, then you have every right to conscript him. However, you do not have the right to destroy his philactery.

But it's worth doing so you can mentally mock Rylock later. Obviously, she needed to have a good, long conversation with Sgt. Kylon about the foolhardiness of challenging the Warden.

OMG I SO wanted Kylon with me through this expansion.  Those idiots in Amaranthine could take a lesson or two from the Most Practical Man in Denerim!

[MutantSpleen]

Nioxide wrote...

He doesn't like following the Chantry line, and disapproves of hunting apostates or maleficarum, but if you have him in the group and talk to Wynne in Amaranthine, you can see that even he is against the Circle completley branching out from the Chantry. So he does undertsand the powerplay and the point of having some policing for mages. When talking to him near the tree outside Ameranthine, one of the lines is "With great power comes great responsibility".

Well this annoyed me to no end becasue I was supposed to have freed the Tower as my boon but that was never spoke of.  I argued with Wynne during that scene, my character does not like the Chantry or Templars. I am a Libertarian though so I have always disagreed with Wynne on that.

[Bitterfoam]

A Grey Warden's Right of Conscription does not supercede everyone. If it did, they'd have never been banished from Ferelden, and then have to rely on Maric to let them back in to join the club.



Conscription can get them in trouble. If it was all cherry pie and daisies, Duncan wouldn't voice any concern over using it, or over Alistair causing problems between the Mages and Chantry. The truth of the situation is that Grey Wardens don't always have the best reputation, and their power is not supreme. Their power is based on the sovereign of the nation they're acting in granting them the free movement required to do their part.



If their Right of Conscription and their power superceded even a sovereign's authority, any time they got in trouble, they'd just conscript the problematic elements. Problem solved! But no, that's not how it works.

[Nioxide]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Well this annoyed me to no end becasue I was supposed to have freed the Tower as my boon but that was never spoke of.  I argued with Wynne during that scene, my character does not like the Chantry or Templars. I am a Libertarian though so I have always disagreed with Wynne on that.

Yes, I asked for that boon as well. I was rather surprised to see a Templar with King Alistair at the very beginning of the game spouting off like that. Having said that if Awakenings only commenced a couple of months after Origins, maybe the requested change has not yet occured?

[e4zy]

he reminded me of alistair so i took him with me,first i thought he was gay but he flirted with velanna all the time so i changed my mind xD

[FigureThree]

Nioxide wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Well this annoyed me to no end becasue I was supposed to have freed the Tower as my boon but that was never spoke of.  I argued with Wynne during that scene, my character does not like the Chantry or Templars. I am a Libertarian though so I have always disagreed with Wynne on that.

Yes, I asked for that boon as well. I was rather surprised to see a Templar with King Alistair at the very beginning of the game spouting off like that. Having said that if Awakenings only commenced a couple of months after Origins, maybe the requested change has not yet occured?

Don't forget that the epilogue save you import technically takes place "before the epic climax" of the Origins game, as the flavor text reads when you load it up.  It's saved before you commence the final battle so that you can play DLC, but the boons don't come into play when you import it because of that.

Edit:  I don't think the boons come into play even if you load a post-coronation save, either.  I think it was just pushing a bit of lore on Bioware's part, for the world state 

Modifié par FigureThree, 23 mars 2010 - 02:21 .