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[Efesell]

The Ferelden nobility, by and large, will probably only continue to consider you a hero until you become a nuisance.



That's a very important thing to realize.

[MutantSpleen]

Efesell wrote...

Having larger ambitions for the Wardens is precisely why they would probably respect the King's wishes over yours. You don't get on a nations good graces by trying to bully them.

As I see it, Weisshaupt is no longer interested in getting by on a countries charity. They have played that way for too long and their order has been weakening. Riordan spoke of how the Wardens of Anderfel were a cold bunch unlike Wardens of other countries. They are also deeply embroiled in the politics of that country.

[Axekix]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Oh I could report back to Weisshaupt that Ferelden isn't upholding the oaths made to the Wardens
and I feel that we should withdraw our support.  How well would
Amaranthine have faired without us there to stop the Architect and the
Mother?

Maybe the Templars can come save them.

Hah, how heroic!  Condemn an entire country over a petty squable?  Very noble.

Glad I don't depend on your warden for protection.

[MutantSpleen]

Axekix wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Oh I could report back to Weisshaupt that Ferelden isn't upholding the oaths made to the Wardens
and I feel that we should withdraw our support.  How well would
Amaranthine have faired without us there to stop the Architect and the
Mother?

Maybe the Templars can come save them.

Hah, how heroic!  Condemn an entire country over a petty squable?  Very noble.

Glad I don't depend on your warden for protection.

It wouldn't go that far but you have to know how to play the game. Politics is dirty business.

Its also not a petty squabble it sets a bad precedent.  If the Crown won't back me up on that the other nobles won't either if its inconvienient for them, then the whole Right of Conscription goes out the Window.  You have to make a stand.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 24 mars 2010 - 12:57 .

[Efesell]

But the thing is, that it's such a complete non-issue. If you go whining to the Wardens over being denied one apostate they will probably very sternly tell you to come back when you actually have important business to discuss.



Now if, say, Ferelden tries to completely do away with the Right entirely.. then we have a fiasco you can raise some stink about.

[MutantSpleen]

Efesell wrote...

But the thing is, that it's such a complete non-issue. If you go whining to the Wardens over being denied one apostate they will probably very sternly tell you to come back when you actually have important business to discuss.

Now if, say, Ferelden tries to completely do away with the Right entirely.. then we have a fiasco you can raise some stink about.

Exactly my point, its slippery slope. If it starts at the top then it will trickle down. What I am saying is I would not just sit by ideally if I was challenged on the Right of Conscription, even by the Crown.  It would not be the first time I spoke my mind to Alistair about something we disagreed on.

[Golgoth]

And we havn't mentioned the issue of me just deciding to kill the Ryloth then and there, im pretty sure the niether the crown nor the chantry would do a bloody thing for fear of the common people rioting at there hero being named a crimanal. And what about the dwarves, they sure wouldn't be happy if the chantry tryed to kill me.

[SurelyForth]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Efesell wrote...

But the thing is, that it's such a complete non-issue. If you go whining to the Wardens over being denied one apostate they will probably very sternly tell you to come back when you actually have important business to discuss.

Now if, say, Ferelden tries to completely do away with the Right entirely.. then we have a fiasco you can raise some stink about.

Exactly my point, its slippery slope. If it starts at the top then it will trickle down. What I am saying is I would not just sit by ideally if I was challenged on the Right of Conscription, even by the Crown.  It would not be the first time I spoke my mind to Alistair about something we disagreed on.

So what's your issue? Alistair/Anora lead you right to conscripting Anders and when the say they will allow it, it's a statement along the lines of "This is the right of the Wardens and I, as King/Queen, am supporting it". The end. There is no hint that they wouldn't allow it and they have no involvement in Rylock's hissyfit later.

Would you really write to the First Warden and be like "They totally supported my decision to conscript this apostate, but they didn't let me do it as unilaterally as I would have liked!" The First Warden wants the experiment in Amaranthine to be a success and probably would be put off by such petty complaints.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 mars 2010 - 01:20 .

[Hostetler]

quite frankly - Having the crown to back me up is a good thing - the second time they attempted to kill him while i was retrieving his phylacti...thingy Anders was a full fledged Grey Warden, It was no longer an apostate they were going after but one of my brothers, totally different set of rules apply. If they had succeeded in killing anders while I still lived, I would make it my business to kill Templars, Impregnate revered mothers, and perhaps burn a chantry or two just to get thier attention. OH - and  to mention to the people of ferelden that the chantry killed a grey warden, you know , grey wardens, ended the blight, saved redcliffe, retrieved the Sacred Ashes, etc etc. (P.S. I had Allistair killed) and if Anora attemted to intervene, well, she can always join her father.

Modifié par Hostetler, 24 mars 2010 - 01:27 .

[Sarah1281]

But the thing is, that it's such a complete non-issue. If you go whining to the Wardens over being denied one apostate they will probably very sternly tell you to come back when you actually have important business to discuss.



Now if, say, Ferelden tries to completely do away with the Right entirely.. then we have a fiasco you can raise some stink about.

If they say 'no you can't conscript this apostate' then it's not really Right of Conscription, is it? It sets a precedent for other authorities turning down attempted recruitments. It would be like if in Origins you were playing as a DC, CE, or Mage and Duncan tried to step in to save you and get a promising recruit and the Proving Master, the captain of the guard, or Gregoire said that that was quite impossible because you were an evil criminal who needed to die (or be sent off to mage prison forever as the case may be). Ferelden is therefore screwed in approximately half of the possible universes out there.

[Efesell]

I kind of doubt it would be the first time someone had flat out refused.



All this being said though, it would be very silly to adamantly refuse to turn Anders over, since he is just a plain ol' runaway.. not even a Maleficarum.

[FKSSR]

I wish I could have examined the bodies of the Templar soldiers that were laying at Anders feet (when you first meet him). You might be able to tell based on the kinds of wounds they had whether or not Anders killed them or darkspawn did. If they had serious wounds from swords/daggers, then it's pretty good evidence that Anders didn't kill them.

[DJ0000]

Golgoth wrote...

And we havn't mentioned the issue of me just deciding to kill the Ryloth then and there, im pretty sure the niether the crown nor the chantry would do a bloody thing for fear of the common people rioting at there hero being named a crimanal. And what about the dwarves, they sure wouldn't be happy if the chantry tryed to kill me.

Well at the end of my mage run I was branded a maleficar, quite rightly, and people speculated that I was a pawn of demons looking to steal all the children or something. So I don't think there's much of a problem with the Hero becoming a villain.

[Sarah1281]

I wish I could have examined the bodies of the Templar soldiers that were laying at Anders feet (when you first meet him). You might be able to tell based on the kinds of wounds they had whether or not Anders killed them or darkspawn did. If they had serious wounds from swords/daggers, then it's pretty good evidence that Anders didn't kill them.

I don't think Anders killed them if only because he was still killing darkspawn when you arrived and it would make more sense to let the Templars help and then kill them when they were finishing up. Besides, he was still hanging around even when more people were showing up and the smart thing to do would be to get the hell out of Dodge.

[Thor Rand Al]

MutantSpleen wrote...
Weisshaupt is wanting to flex it's political muscle too, they want Wardens to have
much more influence on politics. We are a test as we learned in
Awakenings. They are planning something.

This isn't directed at you Spleen, I'm just using the quote lol.  I would actually like to see something like this in an expansion/game.  This is where I'd actually like to be able to play our Origin's PC especially if you did the HN origin and married into the crown.  What way would you go, would you side with the Warden's if they decided to take over Ferelden or would you stand beside Fereldan?  That would be interesting to see.

[scxenophobe]

DJ0000 wrote...

Golgoth wrote...

And we havn't mentioned the issue of me just deciding to kill the Ryloth then and there, im pretty sure the niether the crown nor the chantry would do a bloody thing for fear of the common people rioting at there hero being named a crimanal. And what about the dwarves, they sure wouldn't be happy if the chantry tryed to kill me.

Well at the end of my mage run I was branded a maleficar, quite rightly, and people speculated that I was a pawn of demons looking to steal all the children or something. So I don't think there's much of a problem with the Hero becoming a villain.

Wait... People can actually call you that?

[Raiil]

scxenophobe wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

Golgoth wrote...

And we havn't mentioned the issue of me just deciding to kill the Ryloth then and there, im pretty sure the niether the crown nor the chantry would do a bloody thing for fear of the common people rioting at there hero being named a crimanal. And what about the dwarves, they sure wouldn't be happy if the chantry tryed to kill me.

Well at the end of my mage run I was branded a maleficar, quite rightly, and people speculated that I was a pawn of demons looking to steal all the children or something. So I don't think there's much of a problem with the Hero becoming a villain.

Wait... People can actually call you that?

If you choose the Keep over Amaranthine, yes. I felt like a right bastard when I got that epilogue card.

[Thor Rand Al]

Lol glad I choose to save Amaranthine. For my pc it was the right thing to do. Why build up the Keep if I didn't think it would stand without me there. My Warden's duty was to the people and for her that was the city because it was the right thing to do. But then she can tend to be too much of a doo-gooder lol.



But then again the reason your where you are in Awakening's is to fortify the Wardens and them coming back into Fereldan again. So whatever your decision's are will have an outcome for the future of the Warden's and Ferelden, (if there is 1 lol).