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[Highdragonslayer]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

To clear up the 2001 stuff, I feel that it was'nt recognized as it should have been. Yes it won a Oscar and his highly regaurded among movies critics. But I feel it should be more well know and praised by the gerneral public.


Shallow89, you are jokeing on battlefield earth right?

How dare you dis battlefield earth because WHILE YOU STILL LEARNING TO SPELL YOUR NAME, the director of that movie was learning to CONQUER GALAXIES!

[Mr.Skar]

Underrated: Let The Right On In, 2007-ish I think. I know the critics loved it, but I'm doing this by how much Joe Public knows about this film, which in my experience is jack sh!t. I was tempted to put Park Chan Wook's Thirst up here, but I think LTROI fits better, as Park is a succesful director.



Overrated: Burn After Reading. Personal taste here really, but I did not dig this film at all. The Coen Brothers didn't seem to really care at all about the characters in this film, and I have a hard time understanding why everyone liked it.



These are all my opinion, since that seems to be what we eventually go on in these threads .

[Darth-Mandalore]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Underrated: Battlefield Earth

I must admit I did enjoy the scene where they test a theory that humans can fly.

[MerinTB]

Mr.Skar wrote...
Underrated: Let The Right On In, 2007-ish I think. I know the critics loved it, but I'm doing this by how much Joe Public knows about this film, which in my experience is jack sh!t.

It may be more under the radar than underrated, but I guess that can amount to the same thing (I know Nothing qualifies in the same way.)

Let The Right One In was a very, very good movie.  It may annoy you to learn Hollywood is doing a remake.

[Loerwyn]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Shallow89, you are jokeing on battlefield earth right?

No, I enjoyed it.

[jimmyjoefro]

Overrated: 300 (it's a good action film, but it's not worthy of all the orgasmic hype it gets).



Underrated: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (more like unfairly panned by the book lovers, even though it's not originally a book series).

[Loerwyn]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Underrated: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (more like unfairly panned by the book lovers, even though it's not originally a book series).

Oh! Oh!
I loved the film

[A Killing Sound]

Too many to post, here's some off the top of my head.

Overrated: The Dark Knight (I don't get the hype behind this one)
 The Godfather series (aside from the music)
Scarface (cool movie, but not legendary)
Inglorious Bastards (Again, Idon't get the hype.  It wasn't that good)

Underrated: Highlander (neat lowbudget scifi) 
The Blue Max (great ww1 dogfighting flick with George Peppard aka. Hannibal Smith)
Big Trouble in Little China  (hillarious and great)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull  (good old fashioned fun.  Gets to much hate)
Gandhi(sure, it won oscars, but no one I know has seen it)
Mississippi Burning (discusses a very touchy subject with class)

Modifié par A Killing Sound, 23 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[Darth-Mandalore]

A Killing Sound wrote...

Too many to post, here's some off the top of my head.

Overrated: The Dark Knight (I don't get the hype behind this one)

I guess most of it is from the fact that one of its stars died before the movie was released, whenever a star dies heaps of people jump on the "I love <insert dead person here>" bandwagon no matter what they thought of their previous performances, just look at Micheal Jackson, he managed to make a bigger comeback than he ever could have managed when he was alive.

A Killing Sound wrote...

Inglorious Bastards (Again, Idon't get the hype.  It wasn't that good)

I have to say I actually loved that movie, plus I diddnt think it really generated much hype?

[MerinTB]

Speaking of movies that have stars die before release -



add to underrated The Crow.



And yes, I think Inglorious Basterds got a lot of hype. A lot. There were many predicting it would win Best Picture.



Ooo, and Hitchhikker's Guide. I love all versions of it, including the most recent movie. Adams always changed the story for different mediums - "fans" of the book series who don't know that probably think Hollywood changed the story for the film when it was Adams who actually did.

[Seagloom]

The Crow has a cult following though. I almost chose that over Dark City, but ruled it out based on that. Heh, then it turns out that movie has a following too. It was a good movie. One that I try to pretend had no sequels...

[Darth-Mandalore]

MerinTB wrote...

Speaking of movies that have stars die before release -

add to underrated The Crow.

And yes, I think Inglorious Basterds got a lot of hype. A lot. There were many predicting it would win Best Picture.

Ooo, and Hitchhikker's Guide. I love all versions of it, including the most recent movie. Adams always changed the story for different mediums - "fans" of the book series who don't know that probably think Hollywood changed the story for the film when it was Adams who actually did.

Huh, I never actually heard the hype, but what actually did get best picture this year? Wasnt it Hurt Locker? There is no way the academy would ever give a Tarantino film best picture even though Basterds was a better film than Hurt Locker.

Also you are wrong about Adams changing the script. You see Douglas Adams died in 2001 leaving an unfinished screenplay, that screenplay then fell into the hands and was completed by Garth Jennings and Karey Kirkpatrick (two Americans I am assuming). Sure Adams might have made a few changes to the script to better suit it to the big screen but it was the two men I just mentioned who released the final draft.

While I cant find a start date for when they started shooting I am assuming that it was after Adams died as they finished shooting in august 2004, this gave the producers free rein to massacre Douglas Adams vision and turn it into the dumbed down americanized version you see today. 

[7th_Phoenix]

I'm going to jump on the wagon and agree

Overrated: Avatar



I can't think of any underrated movies at the moment

[HTTP 404]

I thought avatar was good but i think it is overrated. The most underrated movie I think, is lock, stock, and two smoking barrels.

[Moodath]

Overrated - Napoleon Dynamite... One of the worst, and most unfunny movies i've seen.



Underrated - Downfall... This is the movie that spawned the Hitler Rants on youtube, and its awesome. Well...as awesome as a movie about hitler can be

[Mr.Skar]

MerinTB wrote...

Mr.Skar wrote...
Underrated: Let The Right On In, 2007-ish I think. I know the critics loved it, but I'm doing this by how much Joe Public knows about this film, which in my experience is jack sh!t.

It may be more under the radar than underrated, but I guess that can amount to the same thing (I know Nothing qualifies in the same way.)

Let The Right One In was a very, very good movie.  It may annoy you to learn Hollywood is doing a remake.

Oh it does annoy me, and has for some time. I was hoping this particular remake would go the way of the rumored Oldboy remake that Nic Cage wanted done, but no, Hollywood decided to keep on with it. It seems awfully arrogant to think that an excellent foreign film HAS to be remade or American audiences "won't get it". Just read the subtitles kids it ain't that hard.

[ImperialOperative]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Underrated: Battlefield Earth, Judge Dredd (as much as I think Stallone isn't a good actor, he's perfect as Dredd).

Can't think of any overrated ones, really.

Battlefield Earth: A Saga of the Year 3000 UNDER-rated?

LOL that is literally one of the bottom 10 worst movies of all time.

Dutch angles, slow motion, ancient jet fighters oh my!

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 23 mars 2010 - 07:09 .

[MerinTB]

Darth-Mandalore wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Ooo, and Hitchhikker's Guide. I love all versions of it, including the most recent movie. Adams always changed the story for different mediums - "fans" of the book series who don't know that probably think Hollywood changed the story for the film when it was Adams who actually did.

Also you are wrong about Adams changing the script. You see Douglas Adams died in 2001 leaving an unfinished screenplay, that screenplay then fell into the hands and was completed by Garth Jennings and Karey Kirkpatrick (two Americans I am assuming). Sure Adams might have made a few changes to the script to better suit it to the big screen but it was the two men I just mentioned who released the final draft.

Well, yes, after he died any changes to the script had to go on without his input or approval.  That's not like people who make Alan Moore's stuff into films though, now is it?  Douglas Adams changed the story subtly each time it was presented - and it was presented in many mediums.

There was the radio play, the audio book, the LP, the books, the comics, the tv series, the video game and the most recent movie.

I'm not wrong about him changing the script at all nor about Hollywood influences, unless people involved (including Adams himself) are LYING:

Wikipedia -

In a Slashdot interview, Robbie Stamp, one of the film's executive producers, noted the following about the cast of
the film:[1]

The hardest character to cast was "the voice of the Guide itself and in the end came back to somebody who was one of the people Douglas himself had wanted, namely Stephen Fry."

"Douglas himself is on record as saying that as far as he was concerned the only character who had to be British, indeed English, was Arthur Dent."

Stamp also commented on how much role the studio and screenwriters other than Adams played in making the film:

"I think that a lot of fans would be surprised to know just how much of a free hand we have been given in the making of this movie. I know how easy it is to see every decision to cut a scene as 'studio' pressure but it was always much more to do with pacing and rhythm in the film itself."

"The script we shot was very much based on the last draft that Douglas wrote....All the substantive new ideas in the movie...are brand new Douglas ideas written especially for the movie by him....Douglas was always up for reinventing HHGG in each of its different incarnations and he knew that working harder on some character development and some of the key relationships was an integral part of turning HHGG into a movie."

and

http://www.douglasadams.se/movie/

About a year before he died, Douglas completed his last draft of the screenplay. The script had taken many steps forward, containing some brand new characters and plot elements. As we all know Douglas was always ready to reinvent H2G2 through its various incarnations, and although everybody loved the new elements, some of the structural challenges remained to be solved. Things therefore ground to a halt again, to the natural frustration of Douglas, and months passed.
After Douglas passing the script was handed to Karey Kirkpatrick, a screen writer whose claim to fame involves James and the Giant Peach as well as Chicken Run. Karey revised the script, working very closely with Jay Roach and Robbie Stamp, and just before Christmas 2002, there emerged something that has since been regarded as the ultimate H2G2 script.

It was handed off because he DIED and it wasn't finished even in Douglas Adams' eyes.  The major story changes are almost exclusively all his - what the rewrites were dealt mostly with pacing, cutting of scenes for length and such.

Honestly, Douglas Adams is one of my absolute favorite authors (and skeptics) so I do think I know a little bit of what I'm talking about when it comes to him.

Modifié par MerinTB, 23 mars 2010 - 07:32 .

[wrexingcrew]

Mr.Skar wrote...
It seems awfully arrogant to think that an excellent foreign film HAS to be remade or American audiences "won't get it".

From time to time we've gotten some pretty good films out of that Hollywood impulse to remake, though. Nolan's Insomnia stood quite well on its own. I'm not the world's biggest fan of The Departed (and I certainly prefer Infernal Affairs) but it was adapted reasonably well to its new setting and Scorsese's aesthetic. Going the other direction, 12 was a really interesting take on 12 Angry Men. In the 40s and 50s, Hollywood remade its own films constantly, often no more than a decade apart. I think the problem is more that the execution seems worse lately - not that remakes are inherently bad. Certainly I'd prefer to see Hollywood green-light more original scripts/projects but good source material is good source material.

[Beerfish]

AshedMan wrote...

2001: A Space Odyssey is underrated? It won an Oscar for effects and is well known among anyone who values quality cinema.

I actually thought 2001 is overated and 2010 is underated.

[Burdokva]

Underrated: "Иди и смотри" (1986) , a Soviet war movie that's pretty much the only war movie I've seen that manages to portray war realistically without any glorification. Actually, it's one of the deepest, most disturbing, utterly brutal war stories ever and seen through the eyes of a child. I felt sick after watching it and didn't want to talk to anyone for hours after that. Sure almost everyone here hasn't heard of it, but it's definitely one of the 'must see' movie of your life.



Overrated: James Bond movies... seriously? Jason Bourne all the way, at least it's a believable action-flick. Or Austin Powers, at least it doesn't take itself seriously.

[Darth-Mandalore]

MerinTB wrote...
Honestly, Douglas Adams is one of my absolute favorite authors (and skeptics) so I do think I know a little bit of what I'm talking about when it comes to him.

Sorry but you will have to clear up what you mean by "Skeptic". Are you of religious origin and call him a "Skeptic" because he is an athiest or do you mean "Skeptic" in the greek philosopher sense?

Also yeah you are right that Adams would have changed the script to better suit the big screen there are just a lot of things in the movie that have a real American influence, Aurthur Dent for example even though he was still played by an english actor he was changed a lot to suit Amercan audiences.

Even the "think like me gun" seemed like a loud and dumbed down American interpretation of one of Douglas Adams clever gags.

While the script used was similar to the one Adams wrote a lot of it got Americanized to apeal more to American audiences and lost a lot of Douglas Adams clever wit.

[MerinTB]

Darth-Mandalore wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Honestly, Douglas Adams is one of my absolute favorite authors (and skeptics) so I do think I know a little bit of what I'm talking about when it comes to him.

Sorry but you will have to clear up what you mean by "Skeptic". Are you of religious origin and call him a "Skeptic" because he is an athiest or do you mean "Skeptic" in the greek philosopher sense?

Douglas Adams was a skeptic, in the scientific sense. I'm not sure what you mean by the "religious" sense, as there are skeptics who are religious of varying faiths - it's not a faith, or a sign of faith or lack of faith in any religion.  Skepticism, as a movement, believes in science and critical thinking.

Adams and Dawkins were best friends, and Adams was indeed an atheist, but that wasn't specifically what I was referring to.  Adams would be one of my favorite atheists, too, but I wasn't really going there until you brought up religion.

Also yeah you are right that Adams would have changed the script to better suit the big screen there are just a lot of things in the movie that have a real American influence, Aurthur Dent for example even though he was still played by an english actor he was changed a lot to suit Amercan audiences.

Even the "think like me gun" seemed like a loud and dumbed down American interpretation of one of Douglas Adams clever gags.

While the script used was similar to the one Adams wrote a lot of it got Americanized to apeal more to American audiences and lost a lot of Douglas Adams clever wit.

That's fine that it "feels" "dumbed down" for "American audiences" to you - it was produced by a UK film company (Hammer & Tongs), it was directed by a British director (Garth Jenning), and it was filmed in the UK.  The second major scriptwriter who finished the structural work on Adams' script after he died was an American, Karey Kirkpatrick, who almost solely writes children / family movies - so, if anything, it was made more family friendly.

Oddly enough, Darth-Mandalore, if you did five seconds of research you would learn that British audiences enjoyed the film (according to polling) more than American audiences.

Modifié par MerinTB, 24 mars 2010 - 03:20 .