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#26
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i don't understand why people assume that if a next expansion or game were able to access an awakening save, it would automatically mean that people without awakening couldn't play it... The solution is so obvious... if an origins save is loaded, it'll use that and a default story for awakening. if an awakening save is loaded, it'll use all the data included from both origins and awakening.
at least it would make sense, and i don't think it'd be that hard to implement (except of course more alternate dialogue to write and record).

Modifié par Crrash, 24 mars 2010 - 12:39 .


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wrdnshprd

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i finished the game, and can confirm that there is at least a mention of your romance

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Enchantment?

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th3 D4rk

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Yeaah the epilogue that says you continue your search of morrigan

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Yea it does but I bet our character never finds her and in D.A 2 we will just be a different character. otherwise why is there no end game save? it makes no sense.

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Why does there 'have' to be an epilogue save in order to contine? Thye could use any save, they all the same format and contain all the same information strings...

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They made one for dragon age but not awakening? that seems like to me that this is the last time we will be using our character = no continued romances. they lied.

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Alderis....get over yourself. The origins one was done for a reason....it was the 'epilogue' told you what happened, there does mot need to be one for any future dlc/expansion...its simply not needed.



They can simply do it so it imports your 'last' save, as i said, all the saves contain the same information strings, so an 'epilogue' save is irrelevent.



I think your getting caught up in the word 'epilogue', when in reality, it means nothing, its still just a 'save' :)

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Thanks for the free bump.

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To put this into context for you, at the end of ME1, there is an 'end game' save to import....nothing else imports ok.



At the end of ME2, there is NO 'end game' save, just a normal save, and we already know we can import said 'save' into ME3 (when it comes out)....so again, get over yourself, and just accept that a 'new epilogue' save simply is not required.



Or are you a better coder/progamer than Bioware? Trust they know what what they are doing yeah?

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Maviarab, Do you work as a cleaner at E.A? they will prob give you a rise for that statement gj. Mass effect have a system in place that is brilliant to show your past choices, Dragon age so far has made a very poor attempt at making choices meaningful. So its doubtful we will see our character in the future unless its another expansion.

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epilogue said its doubtful we wont here again about our character so i guess itll come back and do something else :)

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I'm seriously doubting that Awakening will be "required" gameplay for DA2. Most likely you'll be able to import your save from Origins OR Awakening. For any given expansion, only a percentage of the original buyers will also puchase it, so it makes sense that they wouldn't want to diminish the player base for DA2. It WILL NOT require an end-game save from Awakening.

Which means that if you import your save from ANY point during Awakening then your romance option is still going to be part of the code.

EDIT: Should have read Crrash's post at the top of the page before posting this, it basically says the same thing I'm thinking.

Modifié par Ovidi, 24 mars 2010 - 12:19 .


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Awakenings allowed you to import ANY save not just the Epilogue save. Which meant you could import at ANY point in your game. All it imports is your save, your Avatar, your stuff NOT your game. That it recognizes who you made ruler and if you had a love interest is good too but thats all it imported that I could tell. It didn't import any of your other decisions in game.



I think DA2 will be the same, you can import ANY save in any of the two games, so if you don't want your Awakenings save to be a part of your "canon" story don't import it. Sheesh I was content with what I got of my scene with Alistair but I can see other people's disappointment considering what they got. Bioware said the romance would be acknowledged in Awakenings. As thats ALL I recall reading, they DIDN"T lie. I don't recall reading that it will go on forever and ever in their games. Or even that the Origins PC would go on and on forever and ever.



Could you perhaps post a link to this statement? otherwise please don't accuse others of lying if you can't back it up in words.

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DA2 is going to be a clean slate, I wager.

There may be a continuation of the Grey Warden's story in a further expansion to Origins, which I doubt would require Awakening, though I'd expect it'd allow the import of an Awakening character, even an Orlesian.

Any continuation that were to offer continuation of the romances would require that all four voice actors be brought back, or the forums will be ablaze with the flames of fanrage.

Just because Mass Effect does something one way doesn't mean that all other Bioware games need follow lock and step.

Bioware has "lied" in the past.  Remember the loading screen in Baldur's Gate II that promised that we'd be able to import our BG2 characters into Neverwinter Nights? :innocent:  (I'm pretty sure some were raging about it back in 2002, perhaps quietly, biding their time until those dastards at Bioware iced the cake by failing to have a post-epilogue-save in an expansion.)

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DA2 will probably just ignore events in the Awakenings expansion.  My only complaint is the cap in number of characters that your are allowed to keep on XBOX 360.  If you make room for Awakenings characters by burning all your DA:O characters... what will be left to import to DA2?

Modifié par KentGoldings, 24 mars 2010 - 12:42 .


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For all we know the expansion(s) for DA:O will be as far as your character will go. There is no confirmation on whether or not you will get to play as your character in DA2.

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Again, I will point out, don't read too much into the lack of an epilogue save. *There is nothing to do in A once you've finished* so there's no point in playing past the epilogue, unlike O. (Not there was much to do in O past the epilogue either, but anyway.)



It's clear you can import any save - it's just that A looked at the epilogue save as default.



It may be the case that you have no manual saves in the endgame, but if you'll notice, you should have several auto-saves from the final zone.




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Interesting...outside another expansion, would it make sense to import your character to a sequel? Considering Awakening is aimed at higher levels already, I'm not sure I would want to start the "next chapter" of the story with level 30+ character. That is one of the pitfalls of RPGs, you reach a certain point in your progression were having crushed all resistance in your plane of existence (or universe)....where is the challenge?

EDIT:   As an additional thought, it would be interesting to see a "sequel" to a RPG game where you don't necessarly "import" the character (as in ME2) but you could import the choices/decisions your character made and then have the sequel respond to those choices in a significant way.  ME2 did that to limited point, but take it one step further and make consequences a little deeper. 

Modifié par jshunt01, 24 mars 2010 - 05:04 .


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Totally agree. When I imported my character for Awakening, I was able to use any save. Aldaris, what makes you think the situation is any different here? Why do you think you need some sort of special save to import? I see no reason to think that at all.

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jshunt01 wrote...

Interesting...outside another expansion, would it make sense to import your character to a sequel? Considering Awakening is aimed at higher levels already, I'm not sure I would want to start the "next chapter" of the story with level 30+ character. That is one of the pitfalls of RPGs, you reach a certain point in your progression were having crushed all resistance in your plane of existence (or universe)....where is the challenge?


Didn't everything level up with the PC though?  Maybe the enemies in the sequel would be much stronger.

I also think whether or not you have Awakenings it's not going to effect a possible sequel.  It's just like the DLC not transferring over.  I didn't have it.  I certainly didn't miss it.  And it had no impact on the game whatsoever.     

Modifié par Evewyn, 24 mars 2010 - 04:49 .


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Evewyn wrote...

jshunt01 wrote...

Interesting...outside another expansion, would it make sense to import your character to a sequel? Considering Awakening is aimed at higher levels already, I'm not sure I would want to start the "next chapter" of the story with level 30+ character. That is one of the pitfalls of RPGs, you reach a certain point in your progression were having crushed all resistance in your plane of existence (or universe)....where is the challenge?


Didn't everything level up with the PC though?  Maybe the enemies in the sequel would be much stronger.

I also think whether or not you have Awakenings it's not going to effect a possible sequel.  It's just like the DLC not transferring over.  I didn't have it.  I certainly didn't miss it.  And it had no impact on the game whatsoever.     


I think it would be more likely that it will simply smack you back down to level 1 to accomodate any changes to the battle system as well as any differences in the levels of imported characters.

And no, that doesn't require a storyline explanation, as much as some people will insist that it does.

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Has Bioware lied to us?

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As "The Sten" would say:

No

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Evewyn wrote...

jshunt01 wrote...

Interesting...outside another expansion, would it make sense to import your character to a sequel? Considering Awakening is aimed at higher levels already, I'm not sure I would want to start the "next chapter" of the story with level 30+ character. That is one of the pitfalls of RPGs, you reach a certain point in your progression were having crushed all resistance in your plane of existence (or universe)....where is the challenge?


Didn't everything level up with the PC though?  Maybe the enemies in the sequel would be much stronger.

I also think whether or not you have Awakenings it's not going to effect a possible sequel.  It's just like the DLC not transferring over.  I didn't have it.  I certainly didn't miss it.  And it had no impact on the game whatsoever.     


From what I could tell, I would say they do level up with you. I agree that Awakening probably will not be required to play any sequel.   Your suggestion would be reasonable and workable, just continue as is and notch up the encounters/rewards/etc appropriately.  I feel though you lose something in the process by doing that...a sense of closure and your accomplishments really don't amount to much.  Eventually though, you will arrive at a point you realize your character's adventures/quests are nothing more than a simple rehash of previous quests...so instead fighting of lvl 1 critters they are lvl 30 critters (Elder Scrolls 4 and Fall Out 3 suffered through something similar.)  Now KotOR2 handled this by starting your character as low level, but further "along" in your path than KotOR.

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Hopefully in the next game the old characters return and are romancable so you can kind of pick up from there maybe?

That is if our characters story end in Awakening