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[MassAffected]

I found myself saying to to hacket a lot unless it was extremely serious...here I am trying to stop a massive invasion and end up being some errand boy for the Alliance...no not gonna happen with my Spacer/Ruthless Shep. Duty comes first.

[Daralii]

MassAffected wrote...

Daralii wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

After initial awe, it makes sense that people would start picking apart the more negative aspects, either because they have nothing else to do or because they actually want to be productive and give feedback to BW.

There are very few threads that seem to be constructive with their negative feedback. A lot of them just say that the game is trash and BioWare has "kicked them in the face" with this joke of a sequel. I also see a lot of potential for improvement with the third and final installment of Shepard's story, my problem is the extreme its taken to on these boards. You have the haters that trash anything and everything in this game and pass off their opinion as everyone else's and then you have the zealots that tend to turn every thread into a flame war trying to scream louder than the other group. I'm all for constructive feedback, but its such a rarity on these boards that it almost seems non-existant.

And this can be attributed to the fact that it's the internet.

[Qwepir]

 I love the gameplay improvements. Hell, I even like planet scanning. It just doesn't feel like Mass Effect to me. I mean, the Collectors literally appear out of nowhere, with no mention in Mass Effect 1. At least Cerberus had a few missions centered around it. And on top of that, despite being the "main bad guys", you fight the Collectors on about 3 missions in the whole game, whereas in Mass 1, you fought geth at least once on each story mission. And while this is just nitpicking, the music is not as fitting. I loved the music in Mass 1. Ilos, The Presidium, Saren's Theme (aka the music that plays when you die), they all stood out to me. In Mass 2, none of the tracks really stood out for me. Or maybe I just miss the Virmire mission. Good god I think that is my favorite RPG mission of all time.

[MassAffected]

Daralii wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Daralii wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

After initial awe, it makes sense that people would start picking apart the more negative aspects, either because they have nothing else to do or because they actually want to be productive and give feedback to BW.

There are very few threads that seem to be constructive with their negative feedback. A lot of them just say that the game is trash and BioWare has "kicked them in the face" with this joke of a sequel. I also see a lot of potential for improvement with the third and final installment of Shepard's story, my problem is the extreme its taken to on these boards. You have the haters that trash anything and everything in this game and pass off their opinion as everyone else's and then you have the zealots that tend to turn every thread into a flame war trying to scream louder than the other group. I'm all for constructive feedback, but its such a rarity on these boards that it almost seems non-existant.

And this can be attributed to the fact that it's the internet.

Sorry, I've long since stopped using that as an excuse. The internet creates a security shell around everyone, but we are still interacting with living, breathing people. Taking things too far is still taking things too far.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...


see here we go again.
the self rpoclaimed "real gamer" sure buddy.
"real gamers" play ad&d rpg's? so rts people are nerds? fps/tps are airheads?
i liked that ME2 became a tactical shooter with the gameplay and still kept the story with npc interactions.
its not a shooter shooter game cause there too many people that you need to talk too. trust me my shooter shooter fans hate ME2 cause of all the crap you have to do beside of it.

its not hard to believe that the so called hardcore fans are disapointed.
its just a matter of taste, i like to believe that i have a verry broad vieuw on things, im a man who likes alot of difrent cup of tea's and not just stick to one genere like your "real gamers" .
do you have any idea how many crappy titels are out there with all scores higher then a 9? its redicilous so the mass media reviews i always look at those with a pinch of salt.

You completely missed the point, so you might want to try and nail that before going off on a limb. In your final post, you outlined exactly what I was getting at by the "real gamer" comment. I dont consider reviewers opinions to be that of "real gamers", be they shooter fans or RPGs.

Try reading harder next time.

I have no problem with shooter elements in Mass Effect, be it 1 or 2. I have a problem that in ME2 is pervades the entire game, takes precedence above all else, and utterly ruins the experience. The shooter element in ME1 did probably need upping to balance things better. Now, in ME3, the RPG elements need massively upping to try and once again reach a balance.

People whined that ME1 wasnt a good enough shooter. Now Im doing the same about the RPG elements, its a travesty? Tough Im afraid. I thought ME2 failed in a huge number of respects, and I am completely dissatisfied with it. So are others. You can scratch your head, dismiss it as a "vocal minority", but the very fact that its a problem speaks volumes. Regardless youre going to have to deal with it.

[MassAffected]

Qwepir wrote...

 I love the gameplay improvements. Hell, I even like planet scanning. It just doesn't feel like Mass Effect to me. I mean, the Collectors literally appear out of nowhere, with no mention in Mass Effect 1. At least Cerberus had a few missions centered around it. And on top of that, despite being the "main bad guys", you fight the Collectors on about 3 missions in the whole game, whereas in Mass 1, you fought geth at least once on each story mission. And while this is just nitpicking, the music is not as fitting. I loved the music in Mass 1. Ilos, The Presidium, Saren's Theme (aka the music that plays when you die), they all stood out to me. In Mass 2, none of the tracks really stood out for me. Or maybe I just miss the Virmire mission. Good god I think that is my favorite RPG mission of all time.

You're still ultimately fighting against the Reapers and the Collectors were mentioned in ME1, just not by that specific name. Shepard needed proof of the threat, and at the end of ME2 he had a lot of information that was taken from the Collector base. I'm eagerly awaiting the "final" game.

[pacer90]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

A lot of people werent impressed by ME2. That so hard to believe?

Bioware went overboard in many areas, and the game itself is above all else tailored towards shooter fans as an out and out shooter game.

Plus some people were less than impressed by the story and characters and oft touted "impressive carryover" that fell totally flat.

Just because it scored numerous biased and ridiculous 10/10 doesnt mean the game doesnt majorly suck in many respects. It just takes real gamers to pick up on it, not folks whose paychecks are riding on their views.

I admire your continued zeal against the tyranny that is bioware's improved shooter combat and non-cookie cutter mechanics.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

MassAffected wrote...

I found myself saying to to hacket a lot unless it was extremely serious...here I am trying to stop a massive invasion and end up being some errand boy for the Alliance...no not gonna happen with my Spacer/Ruthless Shep. Duty comes first.

haha as a aliance brass soldier duty is first too the alliance in ME1 then too the council my pro-human spacer/war hero was the fright of every alien and the joy too all humans 2/3 paragorn for just helping humans full rengade for getting all the aliens killed 

it fitted into it too my feeling.

the side missions now just seem random.
cant wait for me3 and see how things form me1 and 2 got integrated.

the responce of the people here gave me a good feelign that atleast im not alone

[MassAffected]

justinnstuff wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
Sorry, I've long since stopped using that as an excuse. The internet creates a security shell around everyone, but we are still interacting with living, breathing people. Taking things too far is still taking things too far.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Anonymity brings out the worst in people. It's stupid. I'd love to see half of what people say on the internet to someone else's face.

 I don't think anyone deserves some of the things said on the internet to be said to their face...

[NvVanity]

I don't think ME2 was bad. Bioware wanted to fix what was wrong with ME1. Clunky inventory, repetitive combat, mako, etc. They simplified the game and improved the shooting mechanics which I greatly appreciate. Though if they had added more skills (combat and attribute ones) and had delve into the Collector story a bit more I would of been more satisfied. As well as more armor and weapons for Shep and crew. I thought it was weird how Shepard was the only one able to change armor.

[MassAffected]

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I found myself saying to to hacket a lot unless it was extremely serious...here I am trying to stop a massive invasion and end up being some errand boy for the Alliance...no not gonna happen with my Spacer/Ruthless Shep. Duty comes first.

haha as a aliance brass soldier duty is first too the alliance in ME1 then too the council my pro-human spacer/war hero was the fright of every alien and the joy too all humans 2/3 paragorn for just helping humans full rengade for getting all the aliens killed 

it fitted into it too my feeling.

the side missions now just seem random.
cant wait for me3 and see how things form me1 and 2 got integrated.

the responce of the people here gave me a good feelign that atleast im not alone

Heh, noticed my typo just now.  No, you're not alone...I wonder if there is a "BioWare did a good job" group yet? If not we should start one.

[Qwepir]

People are just ungrateful. Look at all the rage over the Hammerhead, which isn't even released yet.

[Badpie]

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

No game is perfect.  It's not trash talking to point out the aspects of something that you would like to see improved (given that its a trilogy) or that you felt were not imporoved from the first game or that were stripped from the first game.  I thoroughly enjoyed ME2, but I find it hard to believe that there is absolutely nothing you thought wasn't as great as you hoped.

Being critical doesn't necessarily mean you hate something.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

pacer90 wrote...


I admire your continued zeal against the tyranny that is bioware's improved shooter combat and non-cookie cutter mechanics.

I admire your dedication to illiteracy. I told you, I dont care if they improve the cover aspect, add locational damage, and try and improve the weapons. I do care when these improvements are the backbone of the entire game. Prime example is how the pathetic amount of cover litters the ENTIRE FRIGGING GAME.

What did I get as a biotics player who can handle insanity before even finishing the first playthrough? Oh thats right, nullified bioitics, and no out of combat talents. Just to name a few things.

ME2 didnt care about balancing the "genres". Its been admitted already. It cared above all else about being a good shooter for shooter fans.

I thought this ruined the game.

[MassAffected]

Badpie wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

No game is perfect.  It's not trash talking to point out the aspects of something that you would like to see improved (given that its a trilogy) or that you felt were not imporoved from the first game or that were stripped from the first game.  I thoroughly enjoyed ME2, but I find it hard to believe that there is absolutely nothing you thought wasn't as great as you hoped.

Being critical doesn't necessarily mean you hate something.

I already addressed this in a later post, I very much agree with you about me wishing certain things were better.  Rather my reason for getting annoyed or upset, is the way these wanted improvements are delivered to the rest of the community.

[DrunkenGoon]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
You can scratch your head, dismiss it as a "vocal minority", but the very fact that its a problem speaks volumes. Regardless youre going to have to deal with it.

Fact? No I think its an opinion.. This is why people like me hate it when people who don't like the game try to pass off their opinion as fact. I understand you don't like the game and you are entitled to that.. But don't pass it off like its fact.

[Badpie]

MassAffected wrote...

Badpie wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

No game is perfect.  It's not trash talking to point out the aspects of something that you would like to see improved (given that its a trilogy) or that you felt were not imporoved from the first game or that were stripped from the first game.  I thoroughly enjoyed ME2, but I find it hard to believe that there is absolutely nothing you thought wasn't as great as you hoped.

Being critical doesn't necessarily mean you hate something.

I already addressed this in a later post, I very much agree with you about me wishing certain things were better.  Rather my reason for getting annoyed or upset, is the way these wanted improvements are delivered to the rest of the community.

I just went back and saw your earlier post.  Jumped the gun.    Well said.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

DrunkenGoon wrote...

Fact? No I think its an opinion.. This is why people like me hate it when people who don't like the game try to pass off their opinion as fact. I understand you don't like the game and you are entitled to that.. But don't pass it off like its fact.

I agree. So many people remember ME1 like it was God's gift to RPGs. When that launched, there were just as many haters saying how it ruined the "purpose of RPGs". It was already a hybrid. But now because we have ME2 suddenly
 we remember ME1 as a "true RPG".

[Druss99]

MassAffected wrote...

Daralii wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

After initial awe, it makes sense that people would start picking apart the more negative aspects, either because they have nothing else to do or because they actually want to be productive and give feedback to BW.

There are very few threads that seem to be constructive with their negative feedback. A lot of them just say that the game is trash and BioWare has "kicked them in the face" with this joke of a sequel. I also see a lot of potential for improvement with the third and final installment of Shepard's story, my problem is the extreme its taken to on these boards. You have the haters that trash anything and everything in this game and pass off their opinion as everyone else's and then you have the zealots that tend to turn every thread into a flame war trying to scream louder than the other group. I'm all for constructive feedback, but its such a rarity on these boards that it almost seems non-existant.

The constructive threads have been done before. Its a great game but it does have faults, well known faults. The problem is some people dont find constructive criticism enough they feel they wont be listened to or heard without constant whining and trying to enforce the notion that their opinion is the majority.

[MassAffected]

Druss99 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Daralii wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

After initial awe, it makes sense that people would start picking apart the more negative aspects, either because they have nothing else to do or because they actually want to be productive and give feedback to BW.

There are very few threads that seem to be constructive with their negative feedback. A lot of them just say that the game is trash and BioWare has "kicked them in the face" with this joke of a sequel. I also see a lot of potential for improvement with the third and final installment of Shepard's story, my problem is the extreme its taken to on these boards. You have the haters that trash anything and everything in this game and pass off their opinion as everyone else's and then you have the zealots that tend to turn every thread into a flame war trying to scream louder than the other group. I'm all for constructive feedback, but its such a rarity on these boards that it almost seems non-existant.

The constructive threads have been done before. Its a great game but it does have faults, well known faults. The problem is some people dont find constructive criticism enough they feel they wont be listened to or heard without constant whining and trying to enforce the notion that their opinion is the majority.

Believe me I know, but I'm done fighting or trying to prove to them that other people have a VERY different opinion on the subject. I just wish that the "whine" threads didn't clutter the front page and drown out the interesting and innovative threads with their tears of anger and anguish.

[Druss99]

MassAffected wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Daralii wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I also don't understand the huge influx of negativity that I'm seeing. Then again, I'm left to assume that those that like the game are still playing it like me. I only come here every one in a while to see if any news on DLC has come up. The people that are super upset by this game have nothing better to do than come here to trash it playing off their own opinions as gospel for everyone else to follow. Eh, back to ME2.

After initial awe, it makes sense that people would start picking apart the more negative aspects, either because they have nothing else to do or because they actually want to be productive and give feedback to BW.

There are very few threads that seem to be constructive with their negative feedback. A lot of them just say that the game is trash and BioWare has "kicked them in the face" with this joke of a sequel. I also see a lot of potential for improvement with the third and final installment of Shepard's story, my problem is the extreme its taken to on these boards. You have the haters that trash anything and everything in this game and pass off their opinion as everyone else's and then you have the zealots that tend to turn every thread into a flame war trying to scream louder than the other group. I'm all for constructive feedback, but its such a rarity on these boards that it almost seems non-existant.

The constructive threads have been done before. Its a great game but it does have faults, well known faults. The problem is some people dont find constructive criticism enough they feel they wont be listened to or heard without constant whining and trying to enforce the notion that their opinion is the majority.

Believe me I know, but I'm done fighting or trying to prove to them that other people have a VERY different opinion on the subject. I just wish that the "whine" threads didn't clutter the front page and drown out the interesting and innovative threads with their tears of anger and anguish.

I know the feeling, Ive mostly given up on the main forum lately and just stick to groups that arent filled with pointless whining. Even if someone makes a thread with constructive criticism it will just be hijacked like an invite to moaning.

[Jax Sparrow]

I think ME2 needed more primary planet missions like Feros, Noveria, Virmire, and Ilos. Comparing size alone, Horizon was like Virmire, Collector-ship and the Dead Reaper was like Noveria. That leaves us with half the game ME1 was at best, and a third at worse. The loyalty missions were great and added a great deal to the game but it is far from an suitable replacement for half of ME1. Plus for some reason we are restricted to the Councilor's quarters on the Presidium even if we are reinstated as Spectre's?



Please understand that I am happy with Mass Effect 2. I just like Mass Effect 1 more and its 2 years old. Part of the reason is the absent LIs in ME2 as well. I understand why they can't be permanent squidies but all three LI's from ME1 seemed to get the shaft hard, without lubricant.

[Qwepir]

Qwepir wrote...
Despite being the "main bad guys", you fight the Collectors on about 3 missions in the whole game, whereas in Mass 1, you fought geth at least once on each story mission.