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[InvaderErl]

The Governator wrote...

I have NEVER liked shooters.  I think they are crap.  Boring; just the same old same old.  Whatever

Bit of genre snobbery.

The RPG genre is capable of the same stupidity of the shooter genre, just as the shooter genre is capable of the excellence that RPG's are capable of.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

InvaderErl wrote...

The Governator wrote...

I have NEVER liked shooters.  I think they are crap.  Boring; just the same old same old.  Whatever

Bit of genre snobbery.

The RPG genre is capable of the same stupidity of the shooter genre, just as the shooter genre is capable of the excellence that RPG's are capable of.

atleast the person liked it because of bioware.

erl's vieuw on shooters is verry biased and doesnt make much sense.
there great tactical shooters out there.
so its not his cup of tea his obvious hate is kinda ungrounded

[InvaderErl]

???

[The Governator]

Fair enough, Invader, but I was not trying to be snooty. I guess I could try to open my mind, but it is not easy.

[Karstedt]

InvaderErl wrote...

The Governator wrote...

I have NEVER liked shooters.  I think they are crap.  Boring; just the same old same old.  Whatever

Bit of genre snobbery.

That's ridiculous. How do you get genre snobbery out of that?

Snob –noun
1. a person who imitates, cultivates, or slavishly admires social superiors
and is condescending or overbearing to others.
2. a person who believes himself or herself an expert or connoisseur in a
given field and is condescending toward or disdainful of those who hold
other opinions or have different tastes regarding this field: a musical snob.

The statement you got a whif of snob from did not imply expertise, nor did it express disdain toward people who play shooters (merely a disliking of the genre).

Modifié par Karstedt, 23 mars 2010 - 02:18 .

[Taimae]

Opinions are opinions. Some people will hate the game, others will love it, and then there's the middle group as well (It was pretty good I guess). You can never, ever make everyone happy.

[InvaderErl]

The Governator wrote...

Fair enough, Invader, but I was not trying to be snooty. I guess I could try to open my mind, but it is not easy.

I will help you. We'll get through this... together.

*Holds Governator.

Karstedt wrote...

That's ridiculous. How do you get genre snobbery out of that?

Snob –noun
1. a person who imitates, cultivates, or slavishly admires social superiors
and is condescending or overbearing to others.
2. a person who believes himself or herself an expert or connoisseur in a
given field and is condescending toward or disdainful of those who hold
other opinions or have different tastes regarding this field: a musical snob.

The statement you got a whif of snob from did not imply expertise, nor did it express disdain toward people who play shooters (merely a disliking of the genre).

From Merriam-Webster online


3 a[/b] :[/b] one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior b[/b] :[/b] one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 mars 2010 - 02:24 .

[Karstedt]

InvaderErl wrote...

From Merriam-Webster online

3 a[/b] :[/b] one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior b[/b] :[/b] one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste

And you felt that this:

"I have NEVER liked shooters.  I think
they are crap.  Boring; just the same old same old.  Whatever"

Was what? Saying that people who like shooters are inferior? Offensively declaring that one's personal taste is superior to others?

I have NEVER liked yellow mustard. I think it is crap. Sour yet bland, no hint of spice. Blech.

I suppose I'm a mustard snob now because I just said that anyone who likes yellow mustard is a complete and utter retard, and a waste of space.

I also don't like Coke, light colored curtains, and hubcaps. I'm an offending machine!

[InvaderErl]

If it was just, I don't like shooters, then that's fine with me. I don't expect everyone to like everything. To say ALL SHOOTERS are crap is going beyond personal taste and is putting down the entire genre simply because you don't like it.



To be honest though you're the one who seems to be offended here.

[Karstedt]

I'm just sick and tired of people breezing in and making comments about things that were never actually said or implied (usually as a means to demerit something, though I didn't get that as your intent). And I'm a TROLL!



I think they are crap, does not equal, ALL SHOOTERS are crap. One is an opinion without implication as to the opinions of others; the other is a declaration that implies that anyone who thinks otherwise must be wrong.

[Badpie]

If you don't like shooters, you're allowed to say you think they're crap. It's not a personal slam on anyone playing shooters. It's a personal preference for games. No one should be offended here by that comment.



I personally have never been a fan of shooters. I used to hate them and was terrible at them. One day I decided I was gonna gentlly make my way into the shooter world. And the first Mass Effect game seemed perfect for that because it was a third person shooter (sort of) and also and rpg, which I love. Granted, the combat in ME1 wasn't perfect, but it was the stepping stone I needed to get a little more confident playing shooters. And then when ME2 came out I was really excited about the shooter aspect of it.



But still. Not everyone is gonna like shooters. Just chill and don't let someone's hate of a kind of game mean more to you than what it should.

[InvaderErl]

I think you need to look at what I said. My reaction was hardly over the top.

[ODST 3]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

A lot of people werent impressed by ME2. That so hard to believe?

Bioware went overboard in many areas, and the game itself is above all else tailored towards shooter fans as an out and out shooter game.

Plus some people were less than impressed by the story and characters and oft touted "impressive carryover" that fell totally flat.

Just because it scored numerous biased and ridiculous 10/10 doesnt mean the game doesnt majorly suck in many respects. It just takes real gamers to pick up on it, not folks whose paychecks are riding on their views.

ORRR... some REAL gamers will like it and some won't. Silly haters always have to rationalize the high scores a game receives because if they didn't like it, they must be "RIGHT."

[InvaderErl]

SILENCE. STOP TRYING TO BRING LOGIC INTO THIS THREAD.

[bjdbwea]

I would like to point out that popularity is no indicator for quality. (Just have a look at politics for prove.) Just because a thousand people like something that I don't, doesn't mean I have to change my opinion.

The changes in ME 2 were made on the assumption that they would bring in more casual gamers and shooter fans. That has obviously succeeded, but it is also no indicator for the actual quality (though it is of course in the eyes of BioWare/EA).

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 mars 2010 - 05:00 .

[Ahglock]

While I like ME 2 I can see RPG fans being upset. It is a lot less RPG than ME1. For a distinct core RPG element as an example combat is mostly player skill based and not based on the character. I don't think that is going to change, so they will continue to be disappointed. On the other side IU think any 10/10 reviewer needs a boot to the head. Scanning alone knocks it down so I could never give it a 10/10. Scanning sucks big fat sweaty monkey balls and it takes up about 1/10th the game.



1. Its a 3rd person shooter, virtually identical to gears of war 2, but with magic powers. Gameplay wise is that a 10?? Was gears of war 2 a 10, and even if ti was do you give a 10 to the guy who copied it. I give it an 8.



2. A great story maybe even a 10 story.



3. Dialogue, I can see a 10 for some people but really its very superficial in that your choices always lead to the same results. You get the info and now you can go to the place where you can shoot more people. But since the lines are awesome sometimes 9ish for me.



4. Graphics and sound 9 there good but so is virtually every other game on a next gen console or computer.



5. Replayability: 8 shooter aspect totally repalyable, it is a really fun 3rd person shooter just like gears of war 2 was, Story he only somewhat for me. It is interesting to see the other lines, but again the effects are virtually always the same so it snot that replayable.



Overall 8.5 trending towards 9. Why because I rate gameplay higher than anything else especially for a game that is mostly a shooter.



Is that a Bad review, I don't know but its how I feel. Now some of the bad reviews I see are things like I'm giving it a 4 because of all the 10s that are just really dumb, and I'm trying to counter that, but I'd normally give it a 7.

[Ecael]

bjdbwea wrote...

I would like to point out that popularity is no indicator for quality. (Just have a look at politics for prove.) Just because a thousand people like something that I don't, doesn't mean I have to change my opinion.

The changes in ME 2 were made on the assumption that they would bring in more casual gamers and shooter fans. That has obviously succeeded, but it is also no indicator for the actual quality (though it is of course in the eyes of BioWare/EA).

However, just because there's a thousand people that don't like something about ME2, doesn't mean BioWare is going to change anything specific.

I posted this on another thread - it sums up why the change between ME1 and ME2 was so drastic:

1. BioWare was originally developing Mass Effect 1 for the PC, and all its gameplay/menu options/key shortcuts were tailored for it.
2. Microsoft, their former publisher, paid them to gain exclusivity for the XBox 360 instead of the PC.
3. Mass Effect 1 is released for XBox 360 in 2007 exclusively at first, but plays like a PC RPG game.
4. Electronic Arts buys BioWare in 2008 and has Demiurge Studios develop Mass Effect for the PC (finally).
5. Mass Effect 2 is released for both XBox and PC, but plays like an XBox 360 shooter game.
6. All gaming companies, including EA, already believe in marketing for console games due to the prevalent piracy issues on PC (in comparison to consoles).
7. Therefore, Mass Effect 3 will be focused on catering to the simplicity of the XBox 360 controller.

Thus, Mass Effect 3 will be much more like the streamlined shooter Mass Effect 2 (XBox 360 version) regardless of what you or I say, because Microsoft and Electronic Arts said so.

[bjdbwea]

Know that, can't stand it, but I know we can't change it. But did not Fallout 3 prove that even on a console, you can combine shooting and RPG elements without dumbing everything down? And I might add, that game allows PC users to change everything like they want to, to overcome any restrictions the console platform may have imposed on the gameplay.

Apart from that, the control issues don't matter at all as far as story and what we call "depth" are concerned. Those aspects, too, were a huge step back in comparison to ME 1.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 mars 2010 - 07:43 .

[Ecael]

bjdbwea wrote...

Know that, can't stand it, but I know we can't change it. But did not Fallout 3 prove that even on a console, you can combine shooting and RPG elements without dumbing everything down? And I might add, that game allows PC users to change everything like they want to, to overcome any restrictions the console platform may have imposed on the gameplay.

Apart from that, the control issues don't matter at all as far as story and what we call "depth" are concerned. Those aspects, too, were a huge step back in comparison to ME 1.

Games like Fallout 3 and Dragon Age: Origins are successors to certain PC RPGs before them. They've always been designed for the keyboard and mouse, and those who didn't find it control friendly on consoles were out of luck. That's also why both games can also be modified so much.

Mass Effect became a shooter the moment Microsoft gained temporary exclusivity for the XBox 360, and got "dumbed down" for use with the XBox 360 controller. However, that change was so late that the RPG elements that made the game easier to play on the PC were left intact, making the experience much better for a PC gamer (despite the fact that it was released later than the console). BioWare wouldn't have changed the formula that made ME1 a hybrid-RPG shooter if Mass Effect were developed exclusively for the PC (or developed for the PC and ported to the XBox).

FPS/TPS games and RPGs are not mutually exclusive, but BioWare's going to keep Mass Effect (TPS) and Dragon Age (RPG) gameplay the way they are now. I don't think many game developers even dare treading on RPG-shooter territory like BioWare once did.

[bjdbwea]

Yes, I don't disagree with you. And I could live with the dumbed down gameplay and shooting. My main complaint with the game is the bad story, lack of depth and lack of choices (plus the removal of the ME 1 companions). These things don' t have anything to do with the platform.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 mars 2010 - 08:09 .

[Ecael]

bjdbwea wrote...

Yes, I don't disagree with you. And I could live with the dumbed down gameplay and shooting. My main complaint with the game is the bad story, lack of depth and lack of choices (plus the removal of the ME 1 companions). These things don' t have anything to do with the platform.

Well, ME3 could make up for all that - the choices and story, that is.

To me, the story of ME2 will only feel downright useless if all the squadmates we've met so far didn't play a major role (as a squadmate or other) in ME3.

[Minaach]

Ecael wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Yes, I don't disagree with you. And I could live with the dumbed down gameplay and shooting. My main complaint with the game is the bad story, lack of depth and lack of choices (plus the removal of the ME 1 companions). These things don' t have anything to do with the platform.

Well, ME3 could make up for all that - the choices and story, that is.

To me, the story of ME2 will only feel downright useless if all the squadmates we've met so far didn't play a major role (as a squadmate or other) in ME3.

This. I'm not making my run through insanity and have everyone live to NOT have a squad member appear in ME3.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Karstedt wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

From Merriam-Webster online

3 a[/b] :[/b] one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior b[/b] :[/b] one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste

And you felt that this:

"I have NEVER liked shooters.  I think
they are crap.  Boring; just the same old same old.  Whatever"

Was what? Saying that people who like shooters are inferior? Offensively declaring that one's personal taste is superior to others?

I have NEVER liked yellow mustard. I think it is crap. Sour yet bland, no hint of spice. Blech.

I suppose I'm a mustard snob now because I just said that anyone who likes yellow mustard is a complete and utter retard, and a waste of space.

I also don't like Coke, light colored curtains, and hubcaps. I'm an offending machine!

This is absolutely correct. Yellow mustard offends the taste buds. Mayo is much better.

[AdamBoozer]

If you don't like the game don't play it and stfu. Don't **** about it for 6 pages on a forum. Yes you are a minority if you do not like this game. Why is that? Because the entire media and public loves this game.



Don'y bealive me?



From IGN the press avg is 9.5 out of 108.



It is ranked #4 out of 2332 xbox games on IGN.



1up gave it an A- "1UP rates games on a scale of A+ through F. Anything we score in the A+ through A- range is considered excellent, B+ through B- is good, C+ through C- is average, D+ through D- is bad, and F is terrible. "



Game stop customer review. 8.0 overall. Challenge

8.0

Character Customization

8.0

Controls

8.0

Graphics/Animation

9.0

Interface

9.0

Length

9.0

Sound

9.0

Storyline

9.0



Offical Xbox Magazine 9.5 for gods sake.



These are some of the most well known names in game media and you're name means nothing compared to them. The sooner you learn that the better. Now stop ****ing and go somewhere else and do it because no one here wants to hear you're crap or you're stupid pictures.