What makes you think there was ever any "love" ? They've moved on with their livesratzerman wrote...
Badpie wrote...
Hey Ash. Good to see you.
That's IT?! (I'm with you, Ash)
"I'll talk to you later, Liara."
WHUH? Where's the love?
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
Fortune, I get what you're saying, but I defer back to my previous point: all your squad mates having long conversations with you in the first place already breaks it. Why do Garrus and Wrex feel the need to explain their lives to me? Same with Kaidan, whom I've already worked with quite a bit- why do we not already know each other? We all happen to be a couple of guys who have a common interest. This is already forced.
Dragon Age tried to account for this with Sten- but he didn't come off as someone who didn't have anything to say, more like someone you just had to work with alot longer so he would say it.
DarthCaine wrote...
What makes you think there was ever any "love" ? They've moved on with their lives
The ME1 thing was just a fling and your LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die
jlb524 wrote...
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Well, you forget about them. I don't
Why shouldn't I? During my first ME2 playthrough, at one point I realized that I haven't spoken with Miranda or Jack in 25 gameplay hours (I did their loyalty missions first). It's not b/c I didn't want to....they just kept saying the same crap over and over 'I'm busy Commander'...'****** off! I'm done with you!'. I eventually gave up and 25 hrs later I have to check to make sure they're still on the ship.
My point, though ME1 and ME2 squad mates may have the same amount of dialog, the ME1 dialogs are spread out and integrated within the game. This gives it a more organic feel and it seems to lend some more depth to each character. In ME2, the dialog revolves mostly around an individuals one mission. When this mission is over, they no longer speak to you.
Still the same old DarthCaine. Good to see you, buddy. How've you been?DarthCaine wrote...
What makes you think there was ever any "love" ? They've moved on with their livesratzerman wrote...
Badpie wrote...
Hey Ash. Good to see you.
That's IT?! (I'm with you, Ash)
"I'll talk to you later, Liara."
WHUH? Where's the love?
The ME1 thing was just a fling and your LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die
DarthCaine wrote...
What makes you think there was ever any "love" ? They've moved on with their livesratzerman wrote...
Badpie wrote...
Hey Ash. Good to see you.
That's IT?! (I'm with you, Ash)
"I'll talk to you later, Liara."
WHUH? Where's the love?
The ME1 thing was just a fling and your LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die
fortunesque wrote...
The idea that each and every squadmate has some absolutely urgent business is what breaks it for me.
Do I mind helping others? Of course not. But when everyone wants to have Shepard do something for them it gets to be ridiculous. Like Badpie said, it becomes especially ridiculous when nobody stops to say to Shepard, "hey, you died. Are you okay? Do you need to talk?"
The fact that they touted 30% more dialogue and yet there's double the amount of squadmates should tell you something. Why isn't there double the amount of dialogue for double the amount of squadmates? Why aren't there only 30% more squadmates?
Shepard continually gives and gives and doesn't receive back from the ME2 squad unless romancing one of them. It's more like cultivating a garden of npcs. They're pretty to look at, but I feel no attachment.
Knoll Argonar wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Well, you forget about them. I don't
Why shouldn't I? During my first ME2 playthrough, at one point I realized that I haven't spoken with Miranda or Jack in 25 gameplay hours (I did their loyalty missions first). It's not b/c I didn't want to....they just kept saying the same crap over and over 'I'm busy Commander'...'****** off! I'm done with you!'. I eventually gave up and 25 hrs later I have to check to make sure they're still on the ship.
My point, though ME1 and ME2 squad mates may have the same amount of dialog, the ME1 dialogs are spread out and integrated within the game. This gives it a more organic feel and it seems to lend some more depth to each character. In ME2, the dialog revolves mostly around an individuals one mission. When this mission is over, they no longer speak to you.
Really, you should create some Shepard so you can romance people ._.
Badpie wrote...
Knoll Argonar wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Well, you forget about them. I don't
Why shouldn't I? During my first ME2 playthrough, at one point I realized that I haven't spoken with Miranda or Jack in 25 gameplay hours (I did their loyalty missions first). It's not b/c I didn't want to....they just kept saying the same crap over and over 'I'm busy Commander'...'****** off! I'm done with you!'. I eventually gave up and 25 hrs later I have to check to make sure they're still on the ship.
My point, though ME1 and ME2 squad mates may have the same amount of dialog, the ME1 dialogs are spread out and integrated within the game. This gives it a more organic feel and it seems to lend some more depth to each character. In ME2, the dialog revolves mostly around an individuals one mission. When this mission is over, they no longer speak to you.
Really, you should create some Shepard so you can romance people ._.
The point is, why should you have to want to sleep with the character in order to get any character development? Hmm?
Em23 wrote...
fortunesque wrote...
The idea that each and every squadmate has some absolutely urgent business is what breaks it for me.
Do I mind helping others? Of course not. But when everyone wants to have Shepard do something for them it gets to be ridiculous. Like Badpie said, it becomes especially ridiculous when nobody stops to say to Shepard, "hey, you died. Are you okay? Do you need to talk?"
The fact that they touted 30% more dialogue and yet there's double the amount of squadmates should tell you something. Why isn't there double the amount of dialogue for double the amount of squadmates? Why aren't there only 30% more squadmates?
Shepard continually gives and gives and doesn't receive back from the ME2 squad unless romancing one of them. It's more like cultivating a garden of npcs. They're pretty to look at, but I feel no attachment.
So true, all the conversations in me2 are completely one way - no one's interested in shepard as a person, they just want her/him to solve their problems.
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Really, you should create some Shepard so you can romance people ._.
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fortunesque wrote...
1. I'd personally rather have a long conversation with someone to learn about them, as in real life, than to help every one of them with something that bothers them so much that there's a high likelihood that they'll die if I don't help them.
2. Sidenote: Shepard doesn't know Kaidan; the Eden Prime shakedown run is the first time they've worked together. At that point, they only know each other's name, rank, and class.
jlb524 wrote...
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Really, you should create some Shepard so you can romance people ._.
No. I only play as a Female Shepard and I don't like any of her LIs.
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Your problem, not ME2's. I just was giving you an idea about how to "not forget" them. I don't need it, though, I only romance Tali for the moment (my engineer wants some Miranda in.... the engineer deck,duh).
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
2. Hmm, could you refresh my memory? I was under the impression that they'd served together along with Joker and Jenkins for quite some time? I thought that was why everyone seemed so affected when Jenkins died and why Kaidan/Joker are so familiar with each other and Anderson. Talking with Chakwas in ME2 also showed that everyone had been together quite a while.
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jlb524 wrote...
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Your problem, not ME2's. I just was giving you an idea about how to "not forget" them. I don't need it, though, I only romance Tali for the moment (my engineer wants some Miranda in.... the engineer deck,duh).
As Badpie and Fort mentioned, it shouldn't matter. I played a single Shep in ME1 once and I still enjoyed the character interaction. I always enjoyed my Sistermance with Ash even though I played a FemShep.
Badpie wrote...
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
2. Hmm, could you refresh my memory? I was under the impression that they'd served together along with Joker and Jenkins for quite some time? I thought that was why everyone seemed so affected when Jenkins died and why Kaidan/Joker are so familiar with each other and Anderson. Talking with Chakwas in ME2 also showed that everyone had been together quite a while.
I got the impression they had all just started working together when they came to be on the Normandy. And this was it's first run. Jenkins was a fellow marine. Of course it would be hard on the crew, especially on its first mission.
Maybe some of that crew had worked together but I think Shepard at least was a new addition.
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Badpie wrote...
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
2. Hmm, could you refresh my memory? I was under the impression that they'd served together along with Joker and Jenkins for quite some time? I thought that was why everyone seemed so affected when Jenkins died and why Kaidan/Joker are so familiar with each other and Anderson. Talking with Chakwas in ME2 also showed that everyone had been together quite a while.
I got the impression they had all just started working together when they came to be on the Normandy. And this was it's first run. Jenkins was a fellow marine. Of course it would be hard on the crew, especially on its first mission.
Maybe some of that crew had worked together but I think Shepard at least was a new addition.
I think that's actually a plot hole LOL.
Me too. I loved my femshep's relationship with Ash. Part of the reason I still feel a connection to the ME1 squad was because we weren't explicitly told when to care about them. We were allowed to let the relationships build naturally over time. In ME2, the damn loyalty missions were like a giant neon sign, flashing CARE ABOUT GRUNT NAO! CARE ABOUT MIRANDA NAO!jlb524 wrote...
I always enjoyed my Sistermance with Ash even though I played a FemShep.
jlb524 wrote...
During my first ME2 playthrough, at one point I realized that I haven't spoken with Miranda or Jack in 25 gameplay hours (I did their loyalty missions first).
My point, though ME1 and ME2 squad mates may have the same amount of dialog, the ME1 dialogs are spread out and integrated within the game. This gives it a more organic feel and it seems to lend some more depth to each character.
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In ME2, the dialog revolves mostly around an individuals one mission. When this mission is over, they no longer speak to you.
Knoll Argonar wrote...
Well, I actually got the feeling that they were together for some time by then in ME1. I always though that the "who are you" convos with Joker&cia were just because it was the first game in the series.
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