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[Astranagant]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

1. the main villion would be a bald dude on crack with a 50 foot long robe.

2. shepard would be an emo teenager with spike 10 foot tall hair and weild an enormous 10 foot sword

3.there would be no dialoge options or multiple paths

4. the normandy would be a giant chicken

5.the combat would be turn based.

6. the game would be slow paced and have a 20 hour begginig until u get your own ship

7.one of the charcters would be SUPRISE SUPRISE a princes

8.you would have to grind your way to lev 30 for 50 hours until you fight the last boss

9.the game would have 30 hours of uninteractive cutscens of guys being emo

10.saren would attack you IN SPIRIT FORM and you woud have to beat him by calling upon a blue dragon

Half of this stuff applies just as much (if not more,) to WRPGs as JRPGs.

And you really don't have a clue if you think a squeenix game would have a bald villain. Since when was baldness pretty?

[Onyx Jaguar]

^^^He has a point, they usually have fantastic hair. Even Vayne (damnit, forgot how his name is spelt) from FF12. Nice long dark hair.



Guy from FFX was the most ridiculous.

[Fexelea]

If square enix had made mass effect 2...



The game would have sold more. muhahahaha

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yeah NPD are liars, ME 2 is a failure.



Dragon Quest ftw, those games sell like crazy



In Japan anyway, too bad they don't sell that well over here, would get the perception away from Final Fantasy at least then maybe we'd see Square make more games like the World Ends With You or Einhander.

[Wrath of Bong]

Bann Duncan wrote...

Tali, anyone?

Tali is 24 according to ME2 website. Still, I won't romance her because she could look like Predator under that mask.

If you want proof of JRPG sexualizing young girls, look no further than Star Ocean: The Lost Hope. My friend was playing it and I saw this cat-girl character that looks 8-10 years old that dressed like a hooker but she was actually a 16 year old that dressed like a hooker.

[Fexelea]

I didn't say NPD are liars or that ME2 is a failure. But since people insist in ridiculing Jrpgs just because they don't like them, bringing about the fact that SE is one of the most profitable developers out there seems like a fair remark.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well Dragon Quest games tend to be outrageously successful. The success of the Final Fantasy games usually starts out strong but then tends to slow down. They still sell quite a lot regardless but I think DQ might end up beating that franchise just on its sales in Japan alone.



The only reason I made that remark was because lately we've seen alot of Final Fantasy spinoffs and such, and this thread has been more about the flashiness about Final Fantasy when the old school Dragon Quest games are probably their priority, in their local environment anyway.

[Wrath of Bong]

Fexelea wrote...
If square enix had made mass effect 2...
The game would have sold more. muhahahaha

In the US, Mass Effect 2 sold 2 million copies on the 1st week, while FFXIII sold 1 million on the first 5 days and that's for both US and Canada. And FFXIII had the benefit of being available for both Xbox and PS3.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 23 mars 2010 - 09:09 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yeah who said RPGs are niche?



Even Demon's Souls managed to do relatively well. Still I'm surprised how well Street Fighter 4 did, I mean I thought that tournament fighting games tended to sell modestly but damn that was impressive.



Still none of these games are up there with the Mario games/GTA/Halo/Call of Duty. Unfortunately. Call of Duty's success seemed to have come out of nowhere...

[Fexelea]

@Wrath of Bong: Since we are posturing what would happen if Mass Effect 2 had been developed and marketed by SE but still remain "Mass Effect 2" -as in, game with previous very successful game-, we could assume the same sales as now + multiplatform

[Wrath of Bong]

Fexelea wrote...

@Wrath of Bong: Since we are posturing what would happen if Mass Effect 2 had been developed and marketed by SE but still remain "Mass Effect 2" -as in, game with previous very successful game-, we could assume the same sales as now + multiplatform

Oooohhh, I get it... I think. But on your previous post, you were implying that ME2 would have sold the copies if it was made by SquareEnix than Bioware. I disagree, ME2 wouldn't have sold more in the US (Japan, yes, since they love their JRPG and ME2 will be considered a JRPG since it's now made by SE) even if it was available in PS3 because of the low ratings it would received from game critics in the US that will sway people from buying it. I doubt it will repeat it's 90% plus ratings. Besides, a game having the "Final Fantasy" brand  is there another big seller for SquareEnix in the US in the past few years? I don't know if I can name one, but feel free to let me know, I tried searching on the net myself. Also, the existing ME fans will be up in arms and boycott ME2 if SE suddenly takes over from Bioware. One set of hardcore fans from one genre, will not take kindly if SE comes sniffing around ME francise, the same would happen, if Bioware suddenly made a Final Fantasy game.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 23 mars 2010 - 09:54 .

[Fexelea]

Well this is a rather ludicrous theoretical discussion so everyones interpretation is going to be different. But here are the parameters that I took when determining the sales would be larger:



Imagine SE developed and owned Mass Effect 1. Forget about the in-game being radically different, the giant swords or whatnot, we assume a successful release as the real ME had in North America. Otherwise we couldn't consider it Mass Effect. So Mass Effect 2 would just follow on that success, but since we are talking about SE we would have multiplatform sales + Japan + Asia increased sales (Markets usually alienated by companies as Bioware. You know we STILL don't have RTO out here right?)



On the successful titles in the US... well, asides the fact that SE now owns Eidos therefore they have the most recent Batman game (which I think moved over 1.5 million copies), Kingdom Hearts comes to mind.

[Mordaedil]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

1. the main villion would be a bald dude on crack with a 50 foot long robe.

2. shepard would be an emo teenager with spike 10 foot tall hair and weild an enormous 10 foot sword

3.there would be no dialoge options or multiple paths

4. the normandy would be a giant chicken

5.the combat would be turn based.

6. the game would be slow paced and have a 20 hour begginig until u get your own ship

7.one of the charcters would be SUPRISE SUPRISE a princes

8.you would have to grind your way to lev 30 for 50 hours until you fight the last boss

9.the game would have 30 hours of uninteractive cutscens of guys being emo

10.saren would attack you IN SPIRIT FORM and you woud have to beat him by calling upon a blue dragon

So what you are saying is that nothing would change.

[Wrath of Bong]

Fexelea wrote...

Well this is a rather ludicrous theoretical discussion so everyones interpretation is going to be different. But here are the parameters that I took when determining the sales would be larger:

Imagine SE developed and owned Mass Effect 1. Forget about the in-game being radically different, the giant swords or whatnot, we assume a successful release as the real ME had in North America. Otherwise we couldn't consider it Mass Effect. So Mass Effect 2 would just follow on that success, but since we are talking about SE we would have multiplatform sales + Japan + Asia increased sales (Markets usually alienated by companies as Bioware. You know we STILL don't have RTO out here right?)

On the successful titles in the US... well, asides the fact that SE now owns Eidos therefore they have the most recent Batman game (which I think moved over 1.5 million copies), Kingdom Hearts comes to mind.

Ohhh, why do you have to say our discussion is ludicrous? I thought we are having an enjoyable debate here, well, I thought I did.

No, no. No one said ME1 was developed by SE, only the sequel. Therefore, SE got their mitts for some unexplained reason on ME2 and Bioware/WRPG fans rage resumes. Since the first ME1 was developed by Bioware, the sequel (now developed by SE) wouldn't have been popular in Japan, because they would have turned off by ME2 since the first  wasn't developed by SE originally, so don't expect sales similar to FFXIII in Japan. So that's the hook, line & sinker, slam dunk and hole-in-one all at once!!!

Batman Arkham Asylum was developed by Rocksteady not SquareEnix like FFXIII and was publisher under Edios Interactive in conjunction with WB Interactive Entertainment and DC Comics in the US. Development for BAA started way before SquareEnix officially took over Eidos last year. I thought we are talking about games being "made" as in "develop". As for Kingdom Hearts, well, I didn't think Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days did exceptionally well in the US, unless you lower the standards down for handheld game. Mario &  Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, which was released on the same month, sold more copies in the US than Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 23 mars 2010 - 12:13 .

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

wheni said bald dude on crack i refered to the main villian from blue dragon..ok so square didnt make that but a guy who worked for them did

[Fexelea]

I meant that the concept is ludicrous, not that our discussion was.



If you want to imagine Bioware sold off Mass Effect to another developer, who took the title and made a Jrpg with it, then the entire concept is even more absurd. Why would Bio sell off ME, why would SE buy it, and why would SE then transform it into something completely different from ME1? What's the point in wasting money to acquire a presumably expensive copyright just to make something else?



On Batman, I just mentioned it because it's on their books. Regardless of when development started, SE got the cash for that one. Kingdom Hearts 358/2 sold over a million copies in the US. Considering the development costs and its nature it sold very well!... I don't see how comparing it to a Mario game is relevant to the discussion: Another game selling better does not mean this game sold badly, especially when the other game is Mario... My only point was that they are profitable and know their market, which seems to be lost on many who are adamant anything touched by SE becomes what they perceive as bad.

[Wrath of Bong]

I was just going by the title of this thread. If it said "if SE had made the Mass Effect series" then, yes, I will consider the first ME was developed by SE. Don't shoot the thread title following messenger guy. As for why would BIoware sell off ME? Well, as ludicrous as that sound, this is a "What If" thread. It would never happen but what "if SE had made ME2." is the title. As for why would SE transform it into something completely different from ME1? Well, if SE had developed it, let me say again, developed ME2, SE can't mimic what Bioware did, imo. SE will develop ME2 into something they are familiar with and turn it close to a FF game because they would be concern about whether Japanese gamers will be into. Honestly, SE don't consist of the staff and the type of creativity to recreate games that Bioware made. Just like I don't think Bioware can mimic FF game. If SE just published the game and let another company develop ME2, then it probably won't be changed as much than if SE had developed it. But it will still be a weak watered-down game and probably won't sell as much in comparison to Bioware's ME2.



I'm more concern about companies developing the game on their own. If we are making a discussion about publishers, why don't we make comparisons with the money made between EA and SquareEnix? Why Mario is relevant because it kicked Kingdom Hears 358/2squared+pie ass! NPD had listed Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days on the 10 top charts for October '09 but it disappeared afterwards, while Bowser's Inside Story was in the top 10 in December' 09, even after it was released in September. But what do NPD knows, they are probably liars. I will take your word on KH, as I don't know the game as much as you. So, that's two titles that was developed, I say developed by SquareEnix that sold extremely well in the US, FFXIII and KH: 358/2 days in recent. That's a spicy meatball!

[Busomjack]

If Square Enix made Mass Effect 2 then one of the squad mates would have to be a scantily clad, 15 year old Lolita(possibly romance option).
Also there would be alien species that look just like humans except wearing cat or bunny ears.

Modifié par Busomjack, 24 mars 2010 - 09:13 .

[Wrath of Bong]

Then shortly afterwards 10,000 fan fiction websites will be up about the scantily clad 15 year old. EEeeewww.

[Fexelea]

@Wrath of Bong: Since as you say this is a "what if" thread, I decide my "what if" was taking that SE had made the Mass Effect series, not acquired them. If you want to base theories on other what-ifs, they have nothing to do with mine. Again my only point was that many people here forget SE is a well run profitable company. I do not think it is viable to compare Kingdom Hearts with your selected example in this situation, however this is all rather useless since discussing a what if scenario in-depth would require common bases for the what-if, and I am not that interested in making up an alternate reality today.

[Jalem001]

This thread was awesome and hilarious right up until the fanbois showed up.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yeah this thread has taken a ******



*TWO THUMBS DOWN



Actually its sucked since the first reply, my reply



*Onyx Jaguar disapproves of his actions -5

[Wrath of Bong]

Fexelea wrote...

@Wrath of Bong: Since as you say this is a "what if" thread, I decide my "what if" was taking that SE had made the Mass Effect series, not acquired them. If you want to base theories on other what-ifs, they have nothing to do with mine. Again my only point was that many people here forget SE is a well run profitable company. I do not think it is viable to compare Kingdom Hearts with your selected example in this situation, however this is all rather useless since discussing a what if scenario in-depth would require common bases for the what-if, and I am not that interested in making up an alternate reality today.

Well, it is probably best to create a new thread titled "If SquareEnix made Mass Effect series", if we are going to discuss regarding that if SE had made the entire ME series. I was just sticking to the title of the thread. I didn't create it, a higher more majestic being did. I agree that SE is a profitable developer, since the Japanese alone worship their JRPGs but does not change the fact that ME2 should more copies than FFXIII in the US, as I previously stated. Well, you seem to be perfectly fine creating an alternate reality by yourself by stating "Imagine SE developed and owned Mass Effect 1". Also, you seem to be confident that SE can develop the same Mass Effect 1 & 2 and be as succcesful as Bioware did, if not better.

Sorry, if the thread has become boring. I go by another name, Chester Killjoy and I do kill the joy in some threads, though not on purpose. I will make it up by starting a game of charades, anyone?

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 24 mars 2010 - 11:46 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

But if you think about it, it was really just Enix bailing Square out since Square was in trouble. So again Dragon Quest is more important.



SE is not infallible though, Drakengard really didn't take off and I would be surprised if Nier managed to do well (YAY CAVIA.), also their move into DLC of Final Fantasy must be out of how they haven't had great success in those FF remakes that they would have liked, but we'll see once that studio releases FF (Gaiden is it? crap can't remember) here and see what they do next.

[Wrath of Bong]

How can SquareEnix develop Mass Effect 2? When they themselves admit that they didn't have towns in FFXIII because they had difficulty developing them in HD. Even if FFXIII was what, 4 years in development. Ohh, I got another one, if SE had made ME2:

* Omega, Illium and Tuchanka will consist of no NPCs and contains no shops to buy weapons, inventories, etc because creating living cities is too hard for SE.

I'm back, baby!!!

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 24 mars 2010 - 11:40 .