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[swk3000]

In the interest of putting this out there for the Devs to see, I would like to register a complaint with squadmate interactions. In both the first and second game, if a squadmate is a possible Love Interest, then you have two choices: Talk to them for their story and end up in a romance, or don't talk to them. I generally play a female Shepard, and in the first game, I literally could not talk to Kaidan. I had no interest in having him as a Love Interest, but the only options were to either get the information and flirt with him (which I didn't want), or talk with him to get information, and be incredibly rude for no reason. I finally gave up ever even talking to him.

Unfortunately, this problem has become even worse in the second game. The problem itself remains the same, but there are far more people to romance. As a female, I can't talk to Jacob, Garrus, or Thane, and as a Male, I can't talk to Miranda, Tali, or Jacob. Excepting, of course, the person I want to be my Love Interest.

At this point, the possible Love Interests have no real emotional connection for me. The only exceptions are Garrus (he wasn't a Love Interest in the first game, so there was no problem talking to him then) and Tali (I want to romance her). Everyone else is essentially a CG version of a cardboard cutout: looks good, but there's no substance.

In ME3, I would like to get a squadmate's full story. However, I'd like to do so without having to either insult or flirt with them. Otherwise, about half of the work that was put into the character's stories goes to waste in any given play-through.

[lastpawn]

Supporting. Well, except for Tali romance (I would rather not risk killing her, but that's just me).



I'd like to be friends with teammates of opposite gender. One of my favorite things about Samara is that though there is attraction it's not going anywhere, which is, you know, kinda realistic.

[ebidebby]

I agree with you, but I do feel like a lot of this is intentional replay value on the part of the developers... Just as in real life, you can't be friends with everyone. Some of it is cheap, but plot-wise, I think in some cases, it made sense. Thane, for example, only "awakens" if femShep pursues him, so he wouldn't probably feel comfortable divluging secrets to you otherwise.

Modifié par ebidebby, 23 mars 2010 - 02:28 .

[Something Squishy]

I agree, making romances really easy, (No pun intended) can cheapen the in game experience of it. I would rather have like a seperate dialogue tree between the romancing and the friendship building. Maybe also adding the fact that you can't "Auto-win romances." Because It seemed to me that unless you were trying, you got the girl or guy you wanted.

[Belrix]

I have to agree, I don't like the forced relationships or the in-fighting between two interest (happened between Kaiden and Liara on ME1 with a female Shepherd).



This also works other ways as well. As FemShepherd, Miranda won't talk to you either. Not for a relationship but just to get to know her. If you are male, then she'll talk to you all day long, though this again goes to the flirting part.

[Hypnotix0000]

All true, but you can only do so much; by that I mean there is only so much data to work with, if anything I'd like a real bond with squad members where they rally with you as a player, and each other with you. quick ex: tali's loyalty, when she finds her father and Shepard can do the interupt, I act compassionate, and Garrus (the only other squadmate from the first game to return, AND has a pre-existing relationship with tali in the crew) stood in the back like a rock with not even a change in body stance. That doesn't feel like someone who even has a soul, why not have a team that helps each other with you. There's been small hints at this kind of interaction, but not anything like it could be, (elevator rides in ME1 had small interactions, they were great! why not expand on the idea?) All we can hope is that some new platforming system that has even more storage can come to reality by that time, otherwise, there may still be some flat characters.

[CliffeDaMonsta]

i wish you could just kill tali and get it over with. i was so mad when i did everyone's loyalty mission and then she got mad b/c i sided with legion over her and she was the only one to do which blocked me from getting the achievement. she was a poor romance choice and a poor character overall. that's my only complaint with the system. the should have chose Samara instead of that blasted tali. what a bad character (I know im a little off topic but tali is just so terrible)

[Watercrown]

I don't know how it works for the female romance options, but there wasn't exactly much more story once you got the end of the courtship with the female cast (hell the last scene with Miranda doesn't even have dialogue I believe).

Going by let's say Thane... is there a significant amount of character one misses playing as a male Shepard?

In any case I agree. You should definitely be able to just be friends with any of the characters. Maybe if you lead them on there should be consequences, but not just by talking to them normally.

[scmadsen]

I agree and support a "friends only toggle" kind of point where you don't have to flirt with someone just to talk to them and learn their story. If someone is a LI character, you can't even talk to them really. ME2 failed badly in the romance department. It's all about sex with everyone one of them, nothing more then a fling, except for Tali I guess. But I'm faithful to Liara, and all I got was a kiss. The new squad shuts you down and won't talk to you, unless you want to sleep with them. They don't feel like very good friends.

Modifié par scmadsen, 23 mars 2010 - 04:31 .

[Cra1n]

I would like to have a mechanic ingame to where I could be friends with Miranda but love tali. Or love them both? Call me greedy but some choices are better fulfilled to the fullest.

[lastpawn]

To add - it was totally disappointing to see that Male Shepard couldn't even have a few heart-to-hearts with Garrus, who was ME1 posterboy of all things. Female Shepard can actually talk to Garrus more, though it was basically: "We've known each other for a while: I think we should sleep together."



I mean this guy is typically put forth as one of Shepard's main buddies and he'd rather play around with calibrations than talk to you. Bodes poorly for John...

[Bogsnot1]

lastpawn wrote...

To add - it was totally disappointing to see that Male Shepard couldn't even have a few heart-to-hearts with Garrus, who was ME1 posterboy of all things. Female Shepard can actually talk to Garrus more, though it was basically: "We've known each other for a while: I think we should sleep together."

I mean this guy is typically put forth as one of Shepard's main buddies and he'd rather play around with calibrations than talk to you. Bodes poorly for John...

I dont know about you, but i would rather "calibrate my cannon" in private than have my best mate watching me.

[OniGanon]

Hm, I never really had problems talking to all characters without romancing them or being overly rude to them. All you have to do is be nice to them and eventually you get a romance beginning thing, where you can choose the paragon 'i wuv you lets make babies,' the neutral 'Oh that's nice. I should go.' and the renegade 'hell no, I'd rather date a Pyjak.' Choose the middle option to stay friends. Simple.

[KainrycKarr]

OniGanon wrote...

Hm, I never really had problems talking to all characters without romancing them or being overly rude to them. All you have to do is be nice to them and eventually you get a romance beginning thing, where you can choose the paragon 'i wuv you lets make babies,' the neutral 'Oh that's nice. I should go.' and the renegade 'hell no, I'd rather date a Pyjak.' Choose the middle option to stay friends. Simple.

But they don't have anything else to say if you don't follow the romance.

[lastpawn]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

lastpawn wrote...

To add - it was totally disappointing to see that Male Shepard couldn't even have a few heart-to-hearts with Garrus, who was ME1 posterboy of all things. Female Shepard can actually talk to Garrus more, though it was basically: "We've known each other for a while: I think we should sleep together."

I mean this guy is typically put forth as one of Shepard's main buddies and he'd rather play around with calibrations than talk to you. Bodes poorly for John...

I dont know about you, but i would rather "calibrate my cannon" in private than have my best mate watching me.

That's a fair point. With that knowledge in mind, I guess it was totally rude of me to always barge in on Garrus after every mission demanding he find some time to chat to his old buddy.

[hawat333]

I actually agree, the only 'real' romance seems to be Ash/Kaidan in the first game. It starts out, develops, etc.



But here and there we have another problem too, one, which you also mentioned. No friendly talks, basically no option to get to know the character better unless we have sex with them. How immature and stupid is this by BioWare? I'm not against optional (human) romances that make sense, but well, when I step in a coffeehouse, and I'm nice to the waitress, it doesn't mean I wanna sleep with her.

[mopotter]

This is one thing I liked in DA. You still got to learn their back story but you could cut off the romance with some kind of your not my type line. And I always like more dialog with my team.

[Tlazolteotl]

Meh. I always talk to everyone, and I only have 1 character with an LI.

Just take the "not interested" option when it turns up?

[Akai San Kaku Tou]

Romance is so forced and playing a male Shepard I felt alienated having half my crew coming onto me. I simply do not want romance in this game and feel sorry thinking how the developer time spent on this stuff could have been spent on more missions and/or places. There should have be an option to inform the game that you are uninterested in any and all of the romance options.

Modifié par Akai San Kaku Tou, 23 mars 2010 - 04:34 .

[ebidebby]

People don't tend to respond well when they are into you and then you tell them you just want to be friends. But there should be some way, without limiting who you can romance, to not have those options.



Honestly, I didn't feel like I missed much by not romancing Garrus or Jacob, or not being able to talk to Miranda about her feelings. I definitely don't feel like I missed anything with Jack... Some people just don't open up without a push, and though it's not realistic for them to say the same thing over and over again until that push, it's not realistic to be BFFs with everyone, either.

[ShadowBurdus]

The only romance option that is "forced" on you is probably Jacob when you're playing a femshep. All the other romances there are clear indications of which options will pursue a romance or just stay friends.

For instance when Tali hits on maleshep there is a clear option to say you're not interested without being a complete jerk about it. Same applies with Garrus. If FemShep doesn't choose the "what about blowing off some steam with me?" (paraphrasing) option the romance will not happen. I don't see why you can't talk to them just because the potentional for a love interest is there. They are easily avoidable.

Also, when you make your interest clear to the character, you only get one more extra dialogue. Which, in my opinion, is a good idea since you're becoming more intimite with the person which warrents another converstion. An extra conversation is nice to have, but you're not missing out on too much.

[Racca12]

I was thinking this same thing. I was really interested in the Jack character, but I didn't think it was appropriate to have a romance with her at this point. Although I liked how it ended, I think this should have been a much more challenging romance.



What would have been nice is a romance that wouldn't be resolved until ME3. Jack's would have been a perfect example of one.

[swk3000]

Let me put it this way: I was talking to Garrus, and the next thing I know, I've got the option 'I know a way to relieve stress'. I had no interest in having my character have sex with him, but the option came up as I was talking about other things. Was there an option to get out without ruining his friendship? Yes. My problem is that I had to choose in the first place. I was never flirty with him; I simply asked him for stories. Yet simply talking with him about the differences between how I run a ship and how Turians run a ship apparently means I want to get it on.



My problem isn't that there's no way to get out of a situation without being rude or getting it on; I was exaggerating the point there. The problem is that I'm forced into a point where I have to tell them that I'm not interested. Apparently, my squad-mates get turned on by the weirdest things at the weirdest times.

[carilynn46]

I talked to Kaidan and I told him I wasn;t interesting in a very nice way I think. When I got liara you talk to kaidan and he asks if you are interested in her and i was liek what are you talking about he said there are rumors and I was like no and then during that I turned him down which he replied oh battlefield flirting I guess I got static it was more liek a he he oops thing with me then a. OMG kaidan your stories are broing are you going to get to the point soon? i gotto be friends with him and still here his stories and being nice about it

[Meshick]

I say - Lesbian Shepard NOW !