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[Gentleman Jack]

I was devistated It hit me like wow but what hit me even harder was the fact that not even a grey warden the seneschal was incharge of the joining or am I mistaken is he a warden. cause in his line he says there is only one grey warden very confused.

[e4zy]

come on the whole ritual was a joke,a non grey warden does the ritual (why not the pc character?) and i didnt expect it too but it didnt hit me like that,i didnt watch any character trailers so i didnt knew who joined me anyway.

[rabbitchannel]

Gentleman Jack wrote...

I was devistated It hit me like wow but what hit me even harder was the fact that not even a grey warden the seneschal was incharge of the joining or am I mistaken is he a warden. cause in his line he says there is only one grey warden very confused.

I don't recall, but I guess he must be. He even spoke the warden oath. It would have been weird and inappropriate if he weren't a warden.

[JRidden]

seneschal is a grey warden as the withered mentioned to keep the wardens alive (mean seneschal and the player) and others kill... and it keeps seneschal and kicked the soldier out of the castle

Modifié par JRidden, 23 mars 2010 - 02:06 .

[Sarah1281]

The seneschal is not a GW. When you ask him about what Kristoff found, he said he didn't hear very much about it as the GW's keep their own counsel. He also said the Joining was so important as their was only one known active Warden in Ferelden (since if Alistair and Loghain are alive they are either a wandering drunk or king and leaving for Orlais) and that's you.

[HaloKT]

The problem I had is that they load you up ith Rogues and Mages and your only tank dies right before the game really starts. Very, very annoying for those who don't play SnB Warriors

[Axekix]

HaloKT wrote...

The problem I had is that they load you up ith Rogues and Mages and your only tank dies right before the game really starts. Very, very annoying for those who don't play SnB Warriors

You don't really need a SnB tank for anything in Awakening, and Justice fills that role later anyway.

I was more annoyed cause I was looking forward to the master/apprentice relationship with her only to see it end 1hr into the game...

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The seneschal is not a GW. When you ask him about what Kristoff found, he said he didn't hear very much about it as the GW's keep their own counsel. He also said the Joining was so important as their was only one known active Warden in Ferelden (since if Alistair and Loghain are alive they are either a wandering drunk or king and leaving for Orlais) and that's you.

If Alistair isn't dead/drunk or king, he should be a Warden. That version of him is missing with no explanation.

Varel was entrusted with some Warden secrets, including the Joining ritual, but he isn't a Warden himself. He was chosen because of his popularity with the people of the arling, since he opposed Howe's methods and worked to undermine him as best he could.

Sword and Shield tanks really are pointless in Awakening. I even respecced Justice to 2-hander because I couldn't get anyone to die if I tried (this is on Hard and I usually sweat Origins on Normal).

Mhairi would have been an interesting companion because she probably would have really sucked up to the PC (especially a HN). She also viewed the Wardens as great heroes and it might have been fun to see how she handled some of the less savoury aspects of Wardening.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[rabbitchannel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The seneschal is not a GW. When you ask him about what Kristoff found, he said he didn't hear very much about it as the GW's keep their own counsel. He also said the Joining was so important as their was only one known active Warden in Ferelden (since if Alistair and Loghain are alive they are either a wandering drunk or king and leaving for Orlais) and that's you.

I think that the Seneschal meant that each Warden keeps his own counsel meaning that they are very secretive even within the Wardens. Wasn't he also an Orlesian Warden? The main character is the only one active in Ferelden, but not in Orlais.

[SurelyForth]

rab****annel wrote...

I think that the Seneschal meant that each Warden keeps his own counsel meaning that they are very secretive even within the Wardens. Wasn't he also an Orlesian Warden? The main character is the only one active in Ferelden, but not in Orlais.

Varel was in the employ of Arl Howe, who hated him and kept bumping him down. Eventually, Varel started working against Howe in secret. According to his Codex, he was chosen for his position because the people of Amaranthine like him and he's trustworthy. He's neither a Warden nor an Orlesian.

[sethroskull79]

Mhairi was a cool character concept and I was looking forward to a female warrior, Sword and Shield. But alas whats done is done.

[rabbitchannel]

SurelyForth wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

I think that the Seneschal meant that each Warden keeps his own counsel meaning that they are very secretive even within the Wardens. Wasn't he also an Orlesian Warden? The main character is the only one active in Ferelden, but not in Orlais.

Varel was in the employ of Arl Howe, who hated him and kept bumping him down. Eventually, Varel started working against Howe in secret. According to his Codex, he was chosen for his position because the people of Amaranthine like him and he's trustworthy. He's neither a Warden nor an Orlesian.

Hmm have to check that out then. If that's the case then why does he know how to lead the Joining, or even know about it at all? He even recited the oath as if he were one of those "brothers and sisters". :|

[SurelyForth]

rab****annel wrote...

Hmm have to check that out then. If that's the case then why does he know how to lead the Joining, or even know about it at all? He even recited the oath as if he were one of those "brothers and sisters". :|

I assume it's the compromise being made by the First Warden to ensure that the "experiment" of the Wardens having their own lands is more successful. By having someone like Varel, a Fereldan who is trusted by the people of the arling, it sort of eases the transition a bit.

His recitation of the Oath is weird, but he's the mouthpiece for the PC at that point (like he is when you talk to the King/Queen).

[Sericenthe]

Should of whacked Ogrhen. What a waste of space he is.

[Legbiter]

I thought the red armor was a giveaway.

[rabbitchannel]

SurelyForth wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Hmm have to check that out then. If that's the case then why does he know how to lead the Joining, or even know about it at all? He even recited the oath as if he were one of those "brothers and sisters". :|

I assume it's the compromise being made by the First Warden to ensure that the "experiment" of the Wardens having their own lands is more successful. By having someone like Varel, a Fereldan who is trusted by the people of the arling, it sort of eases the transition a bit.

His recitation of the Oath is weird, but he's the mouthpiece for the PC at that point (like he is when you talk to the King/Queen).

Presiding over the Joining has no affect on how well the Wardens manage their lands, however. He can certainly take care of the keep and be a mediator between the Wardens and the people but the Joining is totally irrelevant to that. 

As for being the mouthpiece, well, there's that Warden who handles trade. Why couldn't she do the Joining? And to think she's lived long enough with the taint (assuming she took it young), she must have SOME Warden experience. More than the PC and surely more than the Seneschal.

[SurelyForth]

rab****annel wrote...

Presiding over the Joining has no affect on how well the Wardens manage their lands, however. He can certainly take care of the keep and be a mediator between the Wardens and the people but the Joining is totally irrelevant to that. 

As for being the mouthpiece, well, there's that Warden who handles trade. Why couldn't she do the Joining? And to think she's lived long enough with the taint (assuming she took it young), she must have SOME Warden experience. More than the PC and surely more than the Seneschal.

Well, no, but I imagine that it's a last resort at that point, since all the other Wardens are dead. He was probably told how to do the Joining but no one ever thought it would come to that. However, the situation at Vigil's Keep requires immediate action and he's the only one in a position to do it (since the PC can't speak). This would actually have been a good time for a Loghain or Warden Alistair cameo.

I also don't think Woolsey is a true Warden, she just works for the Wardens in an administrative role. Her doing the Joining ritual would be about the same as Varel only minus the cool voice (she might not even know the details, since she was kept out during the ceremony).

[sylvanaerie]

e4zy wrote...

come on the whole ritual was a joke,a non grey warden does the ritual (why not the pc character?) and i didnt expect it too but it didnt hit me like that,i didnt watch any character trailers so i didnt knew who joined me anyway.

Who else could have spoken the words?  The PC is silent and they lack impact if you just click a bunch of text.  Varel made a decent substitute for having someone else speak the words as he was the seneschal and had proven to be trustworthy they let him in on some Warden secrets and he IS in charge of the Warden's keep.  I thought it was okay.  What made it a joke was Oghren burping and asking for more right before Mhairi buys the farm.  Very tacky and completely broke immersion.

[Hanamara]

Loved Oghren in Origins, wished he bought the farm in Awakening

[earl of the north]

Well the fact that she was only equipped with standard weaponry/armour and she did not have any magical rings, pendant or belt equipped gave it away for me.

[salbine]

What I hated about it the most was that it meant no female NPCs in the party for a while, perhaps a long while depending on which order you did things. They should have killed off one of the males (preferably Oghren).



I didnt' see any trailers, didn't know any of the story at all since I stayed away from the forums, but I still knew she'd die the moment the other two survived. I was pissed off for the above reason more than anything. There hadn't been enough time to care about her on any level.

[Sarah1281]

She had to go last, however, or else Anders would have needed to be more concerned and Oghren's jokes on the subject would have been even more off-putting and inappropriate than they already were.

[Ceridraen]

salbine wrote...

What I hated about it the most was that it meant no female NPCs in the party for a while, perhaps a long while depending on which order you did things. They should have killed off one of the males (preferably Oghren).

I didnt' see any trailers, didn't know any of the story at all since I stayed away from the forums, but I still knew she'd die the moment the other two survived. I was pissed off for the above reason more than anything. There hadn't been enough time to care about her on any level.

I appreciated the Red Shirt aspect of her demise, but you're right. Velanna is horrible. I want her dead.  (dead for dullness more than anything else - far worse than over-cuteness, even)  Sigrun has to hold up our banner of female Wardenness, I guess. She does it very well, but it would be nice to have a woman who is neither a monstrous shrew or overdosing on sugar.

[Indoril_Nerevar]

I didn't feel a thing when she died. Not because I didn't like the character; lady-knight of great justice, saying with such passion that we need to kill the evil bastards assaulting Vigil? Awesome. I did not care because the mood wasn't set at all for it to have any impact. The first Joining, your character's Joining, that had feeling. With What's-His-Name, and then after when Duncan has to kill Ser Jory? I was in shock and, despite disliking both What's-His-Name and Jory, was saddened by their deaths. In part due to the fact that Duncan looked so hurt when he had to stab Jory, mind you, but I was saddened, nonetheless.



Mhairi just didn't get a proper service, the music wasn't there, the dark and mysterious feeling was absent, and your other candidates were Oghren (obviously would not die) and a charming apostate, reminiscent of Alistair. Chances of all surviving? Little, not to mention how eye-rolling a moment it would have been if they had. Perhaps as eye-rolling as it's been to witness each and every recruit I've picked up through the campaign survive their Joining.



On an unrelated note: Did anyone else feel that Awakening didn't do the joining ritual justice? It's like: "Oh, another one Commander? Right then; here's your darkspawn blood, and try to make sure you fall onto that little bedroll behind you, when you inevitably lose consciousness and hit the floor, yet survive. NEXT!"

[Efesell]

Repetition will take the shock out of anything. If you had dramatic music and a Jory for every ritual eventually it would be just another joining for you.