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[R0cket Surge0n]

Well they both use FTL travel but Star Wars got Death Star and ME got Citadel. Who wins?

parameters: The Citadel and it's security forces clash with the Death star and it's security forces.

So the Imperial navy vs. The council Races combined fleet. Also, plenty of stormtroopers vs. asari commando's, lasers everywhere, oh my!

I guess there would be biotics vs dark Jedi's and such. Also did I mention laz0rs everywhere?!


Discus.

Modifié par R0cket Surge0n, 23 mars 2010 - 03:54 .

[llinsane1ll]

Lol crap... I'm a huuuge fan of both. But that's a really good questions.

[Mimaiselphenai]

What? Mass Effect is my superior officer. I can't imagine us ever having a fight!

[R0cket Surge0n]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

What? Mass Effect is my superior officer. I can't imagine us ever having a fight!

That's why Mass Effect will always be your superior officer!

[Mars Nova]

Depends on what you mean by winning. Also, if this is a fight, some parameters would be needed. Who's fighting, who's not fighting, what's allowed, what's not allowed, etc.

[ImperialOperative]

This will get locked.



Want the answer? Power of plot.

[R0cket Surge0n]

Well now we got parameters

[-Skorpious-]

Death star > Citidel

Reapers > Deathstar

[ImperialOperative]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Death star > Citidel
Reapers > Deathstar

lolno

Death Star #1 was 160km in diameter, 500-600 km equatorial circumference

Death Star #2 (unfinished) was 900km in diameter, ~2,500 km equatorial cirumference

Not only that, but the Imperial fleet has many many ships, including various dreadnoughts that can reach over 19km in length.

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Citadel: 44.6km in length and 12 km diameter (open)

Average Dreadnought: 800-1000 meter long

Sovereign: appx 8km long

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Like I said, it relies on the power of the plot.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 23 mars 2010 - 04:25 .

[Ghostwork]

Mass all the way.

Star Wars needs to scoot over for the new kid.

[-Skorpious-]

ImperialOperative wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Death star > Citidel
Reapers > Deathstar

lolno

Death Star #1 was 160km in diameter, 500-600 km equatorial circumference

Death Star #2 (unfinished) was 900km in diameter, ~2,500 km equatorial cirumference

Not only that, but the Imperial fleet has many many ships, including various dreadnoughts that can reach over 19km in length.

The Death Star was taken down by a lone torpedo. Your argument is invalid. 

[Desertborn]

ImperialOperative wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Death star > Citidel
Reapers > Deathstar

lolno

Death Star #1 was 160km in diameter, 500-600 km equatorial circumference

Death Star #2 (unfinished) was 900km in diameter, ~2,500 km equatorial cirumference

Not only that, but the Imperial fleet has many many ships, including various dreadnoughts that can reach over 19km in length.

While technically their not dreadnoughts, as that is a completely different class of ship (nerd moment!), that is a good point.

[ImperialOperative]

-Skorpious- wrote...

The Death Star was taken down by a lone torpedo. Your argument is invalid. 

POWER OF PLOT

That required infiltration of the station to power down the shields, which would otherwise be impregnable.  Not only that, but the second Death Star removed that oversight in design, but was attacked during mid-production when there were various entries to the power core.

[Beeno4Life]

I have had several legitimate arguments with my friends about this. 
My conclusion: It's all about the timimg.  Depending on the time in which both of the universes meet, it could result in either sides' victory because of political instability or combative exhaustion.  However, for the sake of argument, let's say that both have an amalgem of all the different factions and individuals taking up arms to side against the opposite force.

Begin wall of text.

Let's start with the similar forces.  For almost everything in Star Wars, there is a tactical match in Mass Effect and vice versa.  The opposite of the Republic would be the Alliance.  Comparible for obvious reasons, but the Republic has far more resources and troops than the humans.  However, there are also the Batarians, Turians, Quarians, and Elcor.  Combined, the forces of the Clone Army and the combined forces of the various "troop" races in Mass Effect, the fight would be very even.  This is because neither side would have good defenses against the others' weaponry.  While Star Wars has a strong plastoid composite for armor to defend against plasma bolts, Mass Effect soldiers don't use plasma weapons, except for a few exceptions.  (I'll talk about this later.)  Similarly, Mass Effect soldiers have few defenses against plasma weapons, instead having ablative ceramic hardsuits designed to survive impacts against high-velocity projectiles.  The deciding factor is the shields; Mass Effect troopers have them, Clone Troopers don't.  This small advantage gives the Alliance a somewhat viable, if not hugely effective defense against beam weapons.

Now, some more specific troop comparisons.  Wookies are some of the most iconic Star Wars beasts.  They find a match in the brutish krogan of Mass Effect.  Both are ludicrously strong, very tough, and are veritable tanks compared to infantry.  Also, both species are very familiar with melee combat, wookies ripping the arms off of their victims, the krogan employing a feral rush to stun and incapacitate the enemy.  In the end, it comes down to range.  If they meet on a larger battlefield, the wookies would win due to their longer range bowcasters.  However, if they met on even a remotely close quarters battlefield, the wookies would be demolished by the krogans' high survivability and shotguns.

Jedi.  If no one has wondered what their comparison is, here you have it.  The matter is very simple; biotics.  To make a long story short, biotics would win. Why you ask? Jedi are so powerful aren't they? What could biotics possibly do?  Here's the answer.  The Asari.  Every single one is biotic.  I'm not saying the entire species would wage war, but the number of combat-ready asari massively dwarfs the number of jedi.  There are something like 300 jedi, and well over 1,000,000 full-fledged, combat-hardened biotics. (Not just asari, though.)  It would be a war of attrition.  For every jedi (or sith) that falls, they would have to kill 30,000 biotics.  Talk about overwhelming odds.

Now, my favorite part.  Droids would match up with geth.  It would definitely be a close call in this fight, and I'd have to call the fight a tie.  Although the droids have tons and tons and tons of troops, the geth are simply more adaptive.  Destroyers are better than Super Battle Droids, Snipers, Rocket Troopers, and regular Troopers are better than the droid infantry, especially in massive groups.  The armatures would fight the Spider droids, the Primes would fight hailfire droids.  Overall, a very close and epic battle.

Now, for some vehicle action.  Star Wars would definitely win in this case.  It has a whole plethora of different ground vehicles, most notably the AT-AT and AT-TE.  While the Makos and Hammerheads could do some damage, they would be absolutely annihilated by the firepower of the opposition.

Finally, and most importantly, space combat.  In the Mass Effect would win.  Why? Just a collection of seven letters would vindicate Mass Effect's victory; Reapers.  If the end cutscene is anything to go by, there are a LOT of them.  Thousands, maybe millions.  They could take down the fleet of any faction in Star Wars with very little trouble at all.  Plus, they ahve the Alliance fighters, cruisers, dreadnoughts, frigates and heavy cruisers for supporting fire.  In the end, no contest in the space category.  And for all those people thinking "the Death Star would do a ton of damage!", you are wrong.  The Death Star needed hours to calibrate its main gun on a PLANET, let alone a fleet of ships.

Also, last but not least, the creepy crawlies of the two worlds.  It would be the Yuuzhan Vong versus the collectors, and other creepy beasts(i.e. rancor, acklay) versus scions, praetorians, and husks.  It would be close but once again, Mass Effect would win.  Harbinger, Guardians, Assassins, and Drones would out manuever the Yuuzhan Vong, and destroy them.  I don't want to go too much into tactics here, because I don't know very much about Yuuzhan Vong, but I think they would lose.  The beasts of Star Wars would thrash the Reaper experiments, as no force could take on multiple rancors and acklay at once, end of story.

Sorry again for the absokute wall of text, but in the end Mass Effect would win mainly because of their more diverse trops, tactics, and weapons.
/thread.

[-Skorpious-]

It was a joke. =p

[Cowboy_christo]

-Skorpious- wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Death star > Citidel
Reapers > Deathstar

lolno

Death Star #1 was 160km in diameter, 500-600 km equatorial circumference

Death Star #2 (unfinished) was 900km in diameter, ~2,500 km equatorial cirumference

Not only that, but the Imperial fleet has many many ships, including various dreadnoughts that can reach over 19km in length.

The Death Star was taken down by a lone torpedo. Your argument is invalid. 

PWUPWU

Seriously the death star was just a huge chunck of fail.

[ImperialOperative]

Beeno4Life wrote...

I have had several legitimate arguments with my friends about this. 
My conclusion: It's all about the timimg.  Depending on the time in which both of the universes meet, it could result in either sides' victory because of political instability or combative exhaustion.  However, for the sake of argument, let's say that both have an amalgem of all the different factions and individuals taking up arms to side against the opposite force.

... snip...

Sorry again for the absokute wall of text, but in the end Mass Effect would win mainly because of their more diverse trops, tactics, and weapons.
/thread.

Wrong.

Power of plot. The end.

[Beeno4Life]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Beeno4Life wrote...

I have had several legitimate arguments with my friends about this. 
My conclusion: It's all about the timimg.  Depending on the time in which both of the universes meet, it could result in either sides' victory because of political instability or combative exhaustion.  However, for the sake of argument, let's say that both have an amalgem of all the different factions and individuals taking up arms to side against the opposite force.

... snip...

Sorry again for the absokute wall of text, but in the end Mass Effect would win mainly because of their more diverse trops, tactics, and weapons.
/thread.

Wrong.

Power of plot. The end.

*Sigh* I hate arguments like this, where someone provides a perfectly valid and reasonable response, and someone responds with, "NO!11! MIN3S BETT0R BEcaus3 Of TEH HaX0R5!!!11!1"  If you had provided any clarification other than some nonsensical, insulting argument, then I would have responded more cordially.  As this is not the case, I still think I'm right.

[Desertborn]

Yeah? well I am NO!11! MIN3S BETT0R BEcaus3 Of TEH HaX0R5!!!11!1 (what the hell does that even mean?)

[withateethuh]

This is comparing a science fiction setting to a fantasy setting.



Does not compute.

[ImperialOperative]

Beeno4Life wrote...

*Sigh* I hate arguments like this, where someone provides a perfectly valid and reasonable response, and someone responds with, "NO!11! MIN3S BETT0R BEcaus3 Of TEH HaX0R5!!!11!1"  If you had provided any clarification other than some nonsensical, insulting argument, then I would have responded more cordially.  As this is not the case, I still think I'm right.

Death Star #1 was 160km in diameter, 500-600 km equatorial circumference

Death
Star #2 (unfinished) was 900km in diameter, ~2,500 km equatorial
cirumference

Not only that, but the Imperial fleet has many many
ships, including various dreadnoughts that can reach over 19km in
length.

----------------------------

Citadel: 44.6km in
length and 12 km diameter (open)

Average Dreadnought: 800-1000
meter long

Sovereign: appx 8km long

--------------------------

Like
I said, it relies on the power of the plot.  Star Wars is not tied down by anything, it is a fantasy setting that can go as wild as the writer feels it should go.  Mass Effect is written in a way to have relatively more restricted technology.

Star Wars has a MUCH larger space force, and the power of their space force negates their need to ever go onto a planet for land combat.

The scale of size for basically everything is much larger in Star Wars, power sources are much more advances and weaponry and defense is much more powerful. 

Their fleets are not tied down to relays for intragalactic travel.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 23 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[wrexfan32hanalei]

I tried to picture krogan fighting wookies and and accidentally pooped my pants a little.

[Beeno4Life]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Beeno4Life wrote...

*Sigh* I hate arguments like this, where someone provides a perfectly valid and reasonable response, and someone responds with, "NO!11! MIN3S BETT0R BEcaus3 Of TEH HaX0R5!!!11!1"  If you had provided any clarification other than some nonsensical, insulting argument, then I would have responded more cordially.  As this is not the case, I still think I'm right.

Death Star #1 was 160km in diameter, 500-600 km equatorial circumference

Death
Star #2 (unfinished) was 900km in diameter, ~2,500 km equatorial
cirumference

Not only that, but the Imperial fleet has many many
ships, including various dreadnoughts that can reach over 19km in
length.

----------------------------

Citadel: 44.6km in
length and 12 km diameter (open)

Average Dreadnought: 800-1000
meter long

Sovereign: appx 8km long

--------------------------

Like
I said, it relies on the power of the plot.  Star Wars is not tied down by anything, it is a fantasy setting that can go as wild as the writer feels it should go.  Mass Effect is written in a way to have relatively more restricted technology.

Star Wars has a MUCH larger space force, and the power of their space force negates their need to ever go onto a planet for land combat.

The scale of size for basically everything is much larger in Star Wars, power sources are much more advances and weaponry and defense is much more powerful. 

Their fleets are not tied down to relays for intragalactic travel.

So, you are in essence saying that Star Wars would win because thye don't need to set foot on land?  Have you ever seen Star Wars, by chance?  Also, the "Star Wars has a better fleet" thing, when you factor in all of the reapers, they are really toast.  Now, let's imagine that the Death Star is chilling somewhere in space.  Reapers rollin, backed up by the 6o something combined dreadnoughts, and the hundreds upon hundreds of cruisers, heavy cruisers, frigates, and fighters, that they'd jsut lose?  You realise that every fighter is outfitted with disruptor torpedoes, designed to specifically take out larger ships, right?  Also, that said fighters travel in huge waves to overwhelm larger ship defenses and fighters, and when supported by frigates, cruisers, and dreadnought fire, would be able to destroy more ships incredible quickly?  Also, let's not forget the Normandy SR-2, with stealth systems, advanced Silaris plating, and an adapted version of a reaper gun, which is invisible to anything but the naked eye.