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[Moldy Poptarts]

SUPER CANCER-AIDS!!!

[Terror_K]

Mass Effect would win cause hes a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Dethateer]

Think of what Imp. Op said that everything is overpowered in Star Wars, compared to ME (plus, kinetic barriers will do exactly squat against lasers). Hell, the Sun Crusher alone is capable of blowing up half the Reaper fleet, assuming they'd pass through a star system.

Then look at the Sphees Muhreenz. Ffs, they use AUTOMATIC ROCKET LAUNCHERS as assault rifles (and rocket machineguns, literally, as SAWs), and their armors allow them to stand near f**king nukes when they go off. Imagine what the reapers would have to deal with if the invaded the Imperium alone, never mind every other species in the galaxy. Plus, y'know, 'nids. Though they'd lose so much biomass it wouldn't really be worth fighting the Reapers.
(draws uncomfortable parallels between 'nids and Reapers in their respective universes)

Modifié par Dethateer, 23 mars 2010 - 07:18 .

[Revan312]

The Zerg ftw, nothing can stand against them..

But back on topic, are people really saying that the ME universe is more "science" based than the Star Wars universe? I still see impossible physics all over the place..  No time dilation, ftl travel, eezo/mass effect fields..  All of those are so beyond realistic it's laughable.  Once you write in FTL travel without the use of an Alcubierre drive or  Krasnikov tubes it becomes fantasy imo.

Like ImperialOperative said, it depends on who writes who the winner.  Both of these franchises are based on impossibilities and are essentially fantasy endeavors so whoever "wins" in a fight would be completely up to the writer to decide, not based on actual technological advantage, technology of which doesn't and will never exist.

That said, Star Wars would totally kick ME's butt in a fight

[Dethateer]

Revan312 wrote...

The Zerg ftw, nothing can stand against them..

Tyranid rip-off.

[Blackveldt]

Revan312 wrote...
But back on topic, are people really saying that the ME universe is more "science" based than the Star Wars universe?

In terms of plotline?  Yes.  Star Wars centers around Jedis and The Force.  Mass Effect emphasizes tech and more scientific explanations.  Jedi mind control / powers versus mass effect fields.  Manipulation / control of The Force versus manipulation / application of dark matter, etc.  Star Wars doesn't really make that effort to explain the science because that is not really the point.  (Ex:  laser weaponry; at least in ME, overheating / heat sinks are explained / applied.)  But it's like I said earlier:  I really don't see the appeal in comparing such different worlds.

As an aside:  The Science of Mass Effect

Just something someone had posted in another thread that was semi-interesting.  I lol'd a bit at the title though.

Also, someone mentioned that kinetic barriers don't do squat against lasers; isn't that what the vast majority of weapons in ME are?  I know they are not metal bullets...

[Nibroc17]

The Force beats Biotics flat out because of Battle Meditation and the Dark Side alone. And the force has unlimited potential compared to Biotics which take a lot of effort and are highly draining on people.

[KainrycKarr]

Shepard would wipe the floor with that blondie bowl-cut wearing fruitloop of a Jedi, Luke skywalker.



Mass Effect wins. Unless Boba Fett factors.



Then Boba Fett wins. Star Wars and Mass Effect lose.

[Dethateer]

No, they're mass accelerators. They actually are metal bullets. The fact that they glow is another matter. But, on the flip side, SW shields also do jack against mass accelerators, so it boils down to who has the thicker hull.

[Moldy Poptarts]

Dethateer wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

The Zerg ftw, nothing can stand against them..

Tyranid rip-off.

We will have none of that bickering here....Tho the orgy of biomass consuming blood orgy would be epic to see...uhhh..yea..anyways...

Mass Effect justifies itself with its unobtainium as the sole reason why all this is possible. Star wars says over 9000 and ends it at that, there a rancor to be slain.

Nids wouldnt have to fight the reapers head on, they would beat them at their own game and strip mine every habitable planet down to the last methane molecule, lol.

Also, Orks, cuz they iz made for winnin!!

[Blackveldt]

Dethateer wrote...

No, they're mass accelerators. They actually are metal bullets. The fact that they glow is another matter. But, on the flip side, SW shields also do jack against mass accelerators, so it boils down to who has the thicker hull.

Interesting; I did not know that.  Hm, kind of a cool concept I suppose.  But then how come we never have to reload (with bullets)?  In ME1, you never had to reload and in ME2, only with heat sinks.

EDIT:  Okay, I've stopped being lazy and looked it up in the Codex because it was just too interesting.  I think I prefer this than the ubiquitous lasers we see in every other futuristic game.  Kind of cool.

Modifié par Blackveldt, 23 mars 2010 - 07:56 .

[casedawgz]

Han Solo is man enough to handle anything the ME universe can throw at him, and he'll probably do it while banging all their women while he's at it.

[Dethateer]

They (the bullets) are small pieces of metal shaven off a large block. The ME1 codex states this gives soldiers several thousand rounds per block.

Modifié par Dethateer, 23 mars 2010 - 07:49 .

[Moldy Poptarts]

Dethateer wrote...

They (the bullets) are small pieces of metal shaven off a large block. The ME1 codex states this gives soldiers several thousand rounds per block.

Truth. You are essentially shooting grains of metal sand and power is limited by recoil and heat. The codex even says you could accelerate a paint chip to have the force of a nuclear explosion, but there would be equal recoil. 

[Dethateer]

Question: why the hell do railguns in teh ME universe cause recoil?
And don't give me "every action has an equal and opposite reaction", because the bullet is pulled along rails, not blasted out the barrel.

Modifié par Dethateer, 23 mars 2010 - 07:57 .

[Blackveldt]

Moldy Poptarts wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

They (the bullets) are small pieces of metal shaven off a large block. The ME1 codex states this gives soldiers several thousand rounds per block.

Truth. You are essentially shooting grains of metal sand and power is limited by recoil and heat. The codex even says you could accelerate a paint chip to have the force of a nuclear explosion, but there would be equal recoil. 

Yup; just looked it up.  Like I said, kind of a cool concept.

[Moldy Poptarts]

I have no clue, go ask senor Alcubierre drive or Krasnikov tubes for that answer....maybe cause the bullet pulls just as hard on the magnets??

[Dethateer]

Ok, I stand corrected, real railguns do that too... but question remains: why?

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Star Wars tech would win because they have no laws of science prohibiting really anything. It's fantasy in space. Mass Effect's universe is kind of a similar space opera but it at least tries to have ground rules for interstellar travel, super powers, alien tech, ect.



I loved the first three Star Wars movies, but the Mass Effect universe wins for me, I prefer more plausible fantasy worlds (not saying that Mass Effect's story is plausible, just more plausible).

[Moldy Poptarts]

Dethateer wrote...

Ok, I stand corrected, real railguns do that too... but question remains: why?

i dunno lol

Modifié par Moldy Poptarts, 23 mars 2010 - 08:23 .

[huntrrz]

Dethateer wrote...

Ok, I stand corrected, real railguns do that too... but question remains: why?

Force is still communicated both ways, through magnetic fields instead of expanding gases.

[Moldy Poptarts]

huntrrz wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Ok, I stand corrected, real railguns do that too... but question remains: why?

Force is still communicated both ways, through magnetic fields instead of expanding gases.

oh cool, i was kinda right

[xDarkicex]

ME1 says they use metal slugs shaved off a large block

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Yeah, if you are pushing on a material with magnetism, the material propells the magnets the other way. Get some simple refrigerator magnets or rare earth magnets and play around with them, there is a counter force to sliding the other magnet away. On the scale of a rail gun verses a small packet of metallic powder or actual bullet, the resistance would be much smaller I would think. This would depend also on the length of the cannon and speed of acceleration of the projectile. Sure electromagnets are a little difference, but there would be slight recoil from an array of magnetic accelerators. That would be interesting to see the physics on a space ship with multiple rail cannons. I bet the ship AI would have to have attitude compensation each time a rail gun fired at one turret of the ship. Otherwise, it would really ****** off a pilot.





Then again with all the hairpin, highspeed turns the Normandy 1 & 2 makes, it would likely turn the crew into mush inside...but that's another story. Oh heck...let's just say it's the "Mass Effect drive" (turian councillor quotations) that keeps the laws of physics at bay.

[James Bigglesworth]

Hmm, I think it would be a hard fought battle if storm troopers invaded the citadel. No doubt the Emperor would send an entire legion of his finest storm troopers to round up the council and would probably succeed in doing so at first. However I believe that when all looks lost for the council and they are surrounded with storm troopers pointing guns at them a trumpet will sound and then all the Volus will attack. It's well known that storm troopers can't hit anything under 4 foot because of the helmets they use and would be overwhelmed by Volus slingers, riding atop there ferocious keeper mounts. I hope that this heroic action will finally allow the Volus to be granted a council seat.

Modifié par James Bigglesworth, 23 mars 2010 - 09:02 .